Is Charlie bored out of her mind?

[Jakepeng99]

95% of her time in gameplay is spent hoping someone walks into the dark for too long.

 

The other 5% is the stage (which nobody plays out), a few Winona interactions and a cutscene. She does things in the shorts every so often, but most of the time it feels like she is bored out her mind, watching the survivors for entertainment. Could be another reason why she does what she does. She just trys to make the world a big show for her to watch.

In the new short it kinda shows this because of her toying around with the survivors.

[WenericMember]

I think it's complicated. I think she has 3 different views on the survivors.

• For most of them, they're useful idiots to her. She can make use of them to increase her influence in the constant (at this point mainly fending of lunar influence)
• She HATES Maxwell. Apparently some quotes from Charlie were datamined back during the Cyclum puzzles, and she did not have nice things to say. That said, she needs him as he's the only one willing to work with her directly, hence encore (Maxwell is his own can of worms about how he's acting. He feels he's indebted to the survivors so i'm not sure if he'll be willing to backstab them when it comes to it). She absolutely plans to kill him once he's outlived his usefulness imo. 
• She genuinely cares about Winona, Wendy and Abigail. Wendy and Abigail's love for each other reminds Charlie of her humanity in the same way Winona does, hence hide and seek. It's probably not as concrete as her connection to Winona, but it's there. Wendy losing Abigail again would've broken her, and very possibly some of the other survivors, making them more easy to manipulate. Charlie could've also made a bargain with Wendy similarly to Maxwell, but instead she chose to help them and disguise her action to avoid them identifying it was her that helped with the petals. Plus, the message of Hide and Seek is that Charlie as she was still exists in some form, and not to give up on her similarly to how Wendy didn't give up on Abigail.

In general though, I feel like her attacking the survivors at night is more of a primal instinct as a result of the shadow monster she's fused with. For Winona she can restrain herself, but not much else.

The stage is a vanity thing IMO. comparing the shorts at the play involved, she seems to view herself in a more heroic light, and while Maxwell is a Jerk, there's nothing to evidence that he actively hurt Charlie. Similarly, the act of freeing Maxwell from the throne is an act of Mercy, but portrayed as an act of incompetence. It's also intended to be a farewell to Winona & cutting ties from one of the extra scenes, but obviously she can't get rid of her and Wanda's connection that easily. 

tldr: I don't personally believe that anything she did was specifically due to bordem, but is more her two halves asserting their old nature temporarily.

[NPCMaxwell]

I remember reading those quotes from her and for a LONG time they have kept me from continuing to play DST because I just can't endure Charlie hating Maxwell so much. (I seriously can't endure that although it's likely I would feel the same or even worse if I was in Charlie's position)

(on the other hand I ADORE her hating Maxwell and planing to manipulate and getting rid of him, but that's because I love such dark topics in general. Too bad I am always struggling with big changes and Charlie taking the throne in DST is still kind of too much change for me so instead of appreciating the dark tone in this case I was more like "OK I rather play DS and ignore this 'sequel' and keep the fandom in an AU direction. I suppose if Charlie had ONLY stayed a shadow creature I would have adored playing a game in which she was revengeful towards Maxwell.)

But now that I basically got to the point that I ignore most of DST lores anyway and keep playing in an AU way, I don't mind anymore what Charlie will do in the future since I doubt she will stay on the throne when the lunar vs shadow thing comes to an end. And even if she keeps going on like this I won't mind as I will likely just keep ignoring it.

[Echsrick]

maybe she does just get bored, just like how maxwell was when wilson confronts him

[NPCMaxwell]

35 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

maybe she does just get bored, just like how maxwell was when wilson confronts him

There would have been quite lots of potential for Charlie to expand on the world, instead of just fiddling with unknown powers but mhh...maybe she really is, or had different plans and worked on something that will be revealed later. I mean I understand Maxwell's exhaustion from getting saturated by "their game" and his imprisonment but Charlie seems to have so much more freedoms and what she /could/ do. I don't know. I am just rambling I suppose.

[-Variant]

Charlie I've absolutely got mixed feelings on.

I love her as a character, not an antagonist. She doesn't do a whole lot actively, a lot of ANR stuff can be tied to her but a lot also just feel like natural Constant natives.
Half of her actions are supportive of the survivors, the other half is awkwardly cruel. We've got the stage, the events like Winters Feast, to me its kinda odd seeing her willingly conjure up Carrats and boat racers to play against survivors and then also shred them in half the second they walk into the shadows.

A lot of her screen time is also just standing there ominously. And maybe walking or pulling a dramatic pose.
I feel like a lot of her goals and feelings are kind of vague, Maxwell certainly had very direct, straight forward wants.

11 hours ago, WenericMember said:

I miss these... so... so much... 

Removed when Walter got added, I don't even know if we could/should consider them nowadays. I get that keeping lore behind mines only dataminers can enter isn't the best way of sharing lore but MAN it was SOMETHING. Most of it was sort of obvious/vague but they did help push us into her perspective at least a tad bit more. Would've loved if they kept them and kept going with them. Or something akin to it in-game at least. Other than the Stage.

[Dr.Webber]

11 hours ago, WenericMember said:

I think it's complicated. I think she has 3 different views on the survivors.

• For most of them, they're useful idiots to her. She can make use of them to increase her influence in the constant (at this point mainly fending of lunar influence)
• She HATES Maxwell. Apparently some quotes from Charlie were datamined back during the Cyclum puzzles, and she did not have nice things to say. That said, she needs him as he's the only one willing to work with her directly, hence encore (Maxwell is his own can of worms about how he's acting. He feels he's indebted to the survivors so i'm not sure if he'll be willing to backstab them when it comes to it). She absolutely plans to kill him once he's outlived his usefulness imo. 
• She genuinely cares about Winona, Wendy and Abigail. Wendy and Abigail's love for each other reminds Charlie of her humanity in the same way Winona does, hence hide and seek. It's probably not as concrete as her connection to Winona, but it's there. Wendy losing Abigail again would've broken her, and very possibly some of the other survivors, making them more easy to manipulate. Charlie could've also made a bargain with Wendy similarly to Maxwell, but instead she chose to help them and disguise her action to avoid them identifying it was her that helped with the petals. Plus, the message of Hide and Seek is that Charlie as she was still exists in some form, and not to give up on her similarly to how Wendy didn't give up on Abigail.

In general though, I feel like her attacking the survivors at night is more of a primal instinct as a result of the shadow monster she's fused with. For Winona she can restrain herself, but not much else.

The stage is a vanity thing IMO. comparing the shorts at the play involved, she seems to view herself in a more heroic light, and while Maxwell is a Jerk, there's nothing to evidence that he actively hurt Charlie. Similarly, the act of freeing Maxwell from the throne is an act of Mercy, but portrayed as an act of incompetence. It's also intended to be a farewell to Winona & cutting ties from one of the extra scenes, but obviously she can't get rid of her and Wanda's connection that easily. 

tldr: I don't personally believe that anything she did was specifically due to bordem, but is more her two halves asserting their old nature temporarily.

So if she’s restraining herself normally for Winonna Then when she has shadow seeker II What do you think changes

also I know people are more inclined to help people they love, but why do you think she’s able to restrain herself for the other survivors as it that she doesn’t try because if she’s really we hope she is it doesn’t seem very character for her to do or is she more, primal form The small echoes of memories with our survivors she doesn’t have any emotional ties so monster she becomes just act normally to it acts for Wynonna since there are those echoes of love the first bite doesn’t hurt for Maxwell so she has memories of things hitting the fan being caused by Maxwell the bite is twice as hard or something like that

[NPCMaxwell]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

So if she’s restraining herself normally for Winonna Then when she has shadow seeker II What do you think changes

also I know people are more inclined to help people they love, but why do you think she’s able to restrain herself for the other survivors as it that she doesn’t try because if she’s really we hope she is it doesn’t seem very character for her to do or is she more, primal form The small echoes of memories with our survivors she doesn’t have any emotional ties so monster she becomes just act normally to it acts for Wynonna since there are those echoes of love the first bite doesn’t hurt for Maxwell so she has memories of things hitting the fan being caused by Maxwell the bite is twice as hard or something like that

I thought Winona had first-strike immunity on Charlie ONLY because she knows Charlie's usual "attack" patterns (which I assume from playful sister "fights", tickle attacks and so on) [Doesn't she say something about knowing all of Charlie's moves?] So to me this more sounds like Charlie not holding back on her but instead biting her as she would the others, but Winona knowing her sister enough to dodge her first attack.

(please correct me on that, in case Winona has more then just "first strike" immunity to Charlie [without a light].)

[WenericMember]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

So if she’s restraining herself normally for Winonna Then when she has shadow seeker II What do you think changes

also I know people are more inclined to help people they love, but why do you think she’s able to restrain herself for the other survivors as it that she doesn’t try because if she’s really we hope she is it doesn’t seem very character for her to do or is she more, primal form The small echoes of memories with our survivors she doesn’t have any emotional ties so monster she becomes just act normally to it acts for Wynonna since there are those echoes of love the first bite doesn’t hurt for Maxwell so she has memories of things hitting the fan being caused by Maxwell the bite is twice as hard or something like that

Well, normally she can't - she still attacks Winona normally, but Winona's able to dodge once. It's only after she sees Winona's trust and dedication to look for her in the shadow seeker path that she actually stops attacking.

From what we know about queen Charlie, when she took over the throne of DST, is that she's a compromise. Neither the shadow or the human was accomplishing much and to an avoid stalemate they merged into something different. So the way I see it, the compromise is that if the human part of Charlie has no strong feelings, then the Shadow side of her asserts herself, but in Winona's case, Charlie's love for her sister means that to maintain the compromise, Winona is off limits.

In this case, the shadow part of Charlie would have no strong attatchments to Wendy/Abigail, so it lets the human part of Charlie help them.

12 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

I thought Winona had first-strike immunity on Charlie ONLY because she knows Charlie's usual "attack" patterns (which I assume from playful sister "fights", tickle attacks and so on) [Doesn't she say something about knowing all of Charlie's moves?] So to me this more sounds like Charlie not holding back on her but instead biting her as she would the others, but Winona knowing her sister enough to dodge her first attack.

(please correct me on that, in case Winona has more then just "first strike" immunity to Charlie [without a light].)

That is correct. However, once Shadow Seeker II is unlocked, Charlie no longer attacks Winona.

1 hour ago, -Variant said:

I miss these... so... so much... 

Removed when Walter got added, I don't even know if we could/should consider them nowadays. I get that keeping lore behind mines only dataminers can enter isn't the best way of sharing lore but MAN it was SOMETHING. Most of it was sort of obvious/vague but they did help push us into her perspective at least a tad bit more. Would've loved if they kept them and kept going with them. Or something akin to it in-game at least. Other than the Stage.

I hope we get codes/puzzles again...

iirc the last thing we got at all was "METHEUS IS HERE" as an acrostic in axium vistus's description.

Maybe they'll do something once Charlie/Wagstaff lose control of the rifts? who knows.

P.S. I personally wouldn't consider the gifts/winters feast/year of the events canon, much like how Wortox/Wanda are basically never referred to outside of specific contexts because they'd break the mystery.

[NPCMaxwell]

@WenericMember Thanks for letting me know! Since I don't dive into the skilltrees [or other characters then Wilson or Maxwell gameplay] much I wasn't aware that Winona had a skilltree option to unlock true immunity to Charlie. [actually I adore that they gave her this.]

[WenericMember]

8 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

@WenericMember Thanks for letting me know! Since I don't dive into the skilltrees [or other characters then Wilson or Maxwell gameplay] much I wasn't aware that Winona had a skilltree option to unlock true immunity to Charlie. [actually I adore that they gave her this.]

All good. I'm personally hoping they give it to Wendy too at some point as a QOL/Flavour thing, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

[NPCMaxwell]

24 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

All good. I'm personally hoping they give it to Wendy too at some point as a QOL/Flavour thing, but I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

It would go well with the sympathy Charlie has shown towards Wendy / Abigail so I hope it as well. I like character(NPC counts as character to me) interactions being actually represented in-game in several ways. That could be ONE of the ways. (though to me the wendy-has-to-constantly-poke-into-abigail-for-light to me gives me adorable imagination of Wendy "hugging" Abigail during nighttime / lightsout.)

[Dr.Webber]

2 hours ago, WenericMember said:

From what we know about queen Charlie, when she took over the throne of DST, is that she's a compromise. Neither the shadow or the human was accomplishing much and to an avoid stalemate they merged into something different. So the way I see it, the compromise is that if the human part of Charlie has no strong feelings, then the Shadow side of her asserts herself, but in Winona's case, Charlie's love for her sister means that to maintain the compromise, Winona is off limits.

I Thought they were switching so much that the rate of them switching synchronized infuse them into one

2 hours ago, WenericMember said:

It's only after she sees Winona's trust and dedication to look for her in the shadow seeker path that she actually stops attacking.

If Charlie loves her Why would it take that?

Also, I came up with my own theory for why she killed you that would actually make sense for shadow aligned player as well I think death has lost its meaning to her due to the canonical continuous reviving of the players likely due to the fact at the constant is constant and she’s just being cheeky Except maybe Maxwell although I think she still cares about him I think she holds a bit of resentment 

[WenericMember]

7 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I Thought they were switching so much that the rate of them switching synchronized infuse them into one

If Charlie loves her Why would it take that?

Also, I came up with my own theory for why she killed you that would actually make sense for shadow aligned player as well I think death has lost its meaning to her due to the canonical continuous reviving of the players likely due to the fact at the constant is constant and she’s just being cheeky Except maybe Maxwell although I think she still cares about him I think she holds a bit of resentment 

It's difficult for certain, because pretty much everything was open to interpretation. It makes sense that different people would read the scene differently, but I can only give my interpretation.

As Charlie attacking Winona...

My interpretation of events is that Charlie initially wanted to cut ties with Winona, hence the stageplay I referenced earlier. As the queen of the constant she wanted to believe she was above attachment, which is why she still attacks Winona. However, Winona's determination to find her sister, characterized by taking the Shadow seeker skills, forces Charlie to accept she can't ignore the part of her that cares, hence her giving Winona a fragile rose, and not attacking her in the dark. 

tldr: she was in denial during ANR/ROT

[Dr.Webber]

4 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

It's difficult for certain, because pretty much everything was open to interpretation. It makes sense that different people would read the scene differently, but I can only give my interpretation.

As Charlie attacking Winona...

My interpretation of events is that Charlie initially wanted to cut ties with Winona, hence the stageplay I referenced earlier. As the queen of the constant she wanted to believe she was above attachment, which is why she still attacks Winona. However, Winona's determination to find her sister, characterized by taking the Shadow seeker skills, forces Charlie to accept she can't ignore the part of her that cares, hence her giving Winona a fragile rose, and not attacking her in the dark. 

tldr: she was in denial during ANR/ROT

Makes sense

also, isn’t it weird that takes both sheer skills for that to go on to effect

Especially since show seeker one is a nothing burger or you get a temporary bridge in between small gapsand a few examine certain things you got some nightmare fuel

also what is ANR/ROT

 

[NPCMaxwell]

@Dr.Webber must be

a new reign / return of them

[WenericMember]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Makes sense

also, isn’t it weird that takes both sheer skills for that to go on to effect

Especially since show seeker one is a nothing burger or you get a temporary bridge in between small gapsand a few examine certain things you got some nightmare fuel

also what is ANR/ROT

 

A New Reign & Return of Them, the first to content arcs of DST.

Winona's alignment skills are weird. She's the only one that doesn't have them be mutually exclusvive, and the only one that doesn't have them locked behind Fuelweaver/Celestial champion iirc. It's meant to reflect  the fact that Winona's connection with Wagstaff/Charlie exists beyond ambition. The fact that most of the skills are locked behind Shadow seeker 2 is a gameplay concession - Alignment skills are some of the most powerful and letting Winona have access to both probably isn't a good idea.

Shadow Seeker 1 is Charlie wanting to test Winona, to see how far she's willing to go to find Charlie, shadow seeker 2 is Charlie realizing and accepting Winona's determination. Compare the descriptions: 

[Dr.Webber]

3 hours ago, WenericMember said:

- Alignment skills are some of the most powerful and letting Winona have access to both probably isn't a good idea.

Yeah, but they could’ve got rid of the nothing burger of a temporary bridge with Charlie not attacking her and you can only pick one number two alignment but consignment easily have number one I mean either let her do both due to having a connection with both people or have it be were either pick Wagstaff’s or Charlie’s side and how you chose them over me sort of situation

[Frosty_Mentos]

Seems Charlie is enjoying the time of watching over the survivors and killing them when they step too deep into the dark without light. 

She's got the abusive amusement in little things they do like ants that build their pretty homes, dress up like dolls with the outfits she gives, allows creatures from other worlds or thought to be from other worlds to inhabit and bring their devilish influences into the Constant or bring parties and spooks and joyful occasions to deal with.

If we think of puppets, dolls, theatre and all, Constant is a stage with powerful magics and mystical things all around, perfect ground for play and messing with cosmic deities to reshape it into whatever one would want.

Does that show that Charlie is bored? Yes, but also shows that she has things she enjoys doing and she keeps herself and survivors busy. As none of them can really "die" in Constant, she will toy with them for eternities to come

Time flows differently in the Constant, and there may be multiple Charlies at the same time as multiple survivors like all Maxwells occupying worlds. Charlie is darkness, she is omnipresent. Survivors have a weird flow of time over the world around them, making things happen and move while they are there. It would be hard to deny any of this or confirm it, since it's not consistent and things just kinda happen.

For one of posts I don't think Charlie hates Maxwell anymore. She did, she has, but it was some bit before. She moved on. She has him as her new piece to the chess board and she will use him as much as she can. It may be to toy with him and to push her own plans, it's unclear. All we know she stays consistent herself for what she does and what her plans are. Though gives the choice for survivors to do it themselves to help her cause.

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You know what's weird? She makes survivors do the heavy lifting. As queen of shadows she seems to stay away and watch, letting the pawns do the work. She is the most powerful piece on the board but she doesn't use her powers to push for opening rifts or slay things herself. Is her power limited? Perhaps she is all powerful but as frail as any piece, it would make sense. In chess she has as much life as any one chess piece and can fall as any other survivor. Only thing to save her is her omnipresence in darkness and nothing catching up to her speed. So, if we were to somehow reach the Throne room again, she possibly won't have anywhere to go, or be forced to be running and cause her to lose that power of command over shadows.

She could have died in Moon island, which was probably scariest thing she could have done but tragic torch has protected her. She is mostly shadows, slaying her won't be easy nor hard. She risked helping Winona in the recent short to get Abigail restored and back to Wendy.

There's some level of human in her to want to help and interact, but she is isolating herself. Antisocial and traumatized in trusting anyone cause of Maxwell. She won't ever approach Winona directly and she will only push her plans further as much as she can from safe distance.

[gaymime]

On 8/6/2024 at 11:26 PM, WenericMember said:

In this case, the shadow part of Charlie would have no strong attatchments to Wendy/Abigail, so it lets the human part of Charlie help them.

my interpretation is she doesn't actually care about abigail/wendy she cares about her sister and was trying to offer what limited kindness she had in her to her sister by helping get abigail's flower back. the twins being reunited was incidental with winona being the intended benefactor

[WenericMember]

18 minutes ago, gaymime said:

my interpretation is she doesn't actually care about abigail/wendy she cares about her sister and was trying to offer what limited kindness she had in her to her sister by helping get abigail's flower back. the twins being reunited was incidental with winona being the intended benefactor

That's a possible interpretation, but I personally don't think it works because that logic could be applicable to literally every situation - Winona is allies with literally all of the survivors, but Charlie disregards pretty much all of them.

From a gameplay perspective, the fragile rose can ONLY be held by Winona. As such, I don't think that her compassion for Winona inherently extends to the other survivors. If it was an item that could be held by anyone that only Winona could make, I think that theory would hold up better.

On top of that, its a subtle thing, but Wendy was the one who noticed the petals initially, not Winona. In both a Watsonian and Doylist sense, if the gesture was meant for Winona, I feel like the short would've shown Winona noticing the petals - especially as Winona's skill set is specifically identifying Charlie.

Finally, the message of the short - "Some things once lost are gone forever, but how will you know if you don't keep looking" is meant to, in my opinion, reflect Charlie's humanity as well as Abigail's flower. So it sort of underrmines the message of the short if she's doing this completely for Winona, which we've known since her skill tree.

As such, I think its way more likely that Charlie is empathizing with the connection of Wendy & Abigail, but I'll admit I hope for a followup in the next update that clarifies this.

[WenericMember]

19 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Seems Charlie is enjoying the time of watching over the survivors and killing them when they step too deep into the dark without light. 

She's got the abusive amusement in little things they do like ants that build their pretty homes, dress up like dolls with the outfits she gives, allows creatures from other worlds or thought to be from other worlds to inhabit and bring their devilish influences into the Constant or bring parties and spooks and joyful occasions to deal with.

If we think of puppets, dolls, theatre and all, Constant is a stage with powerful magics and mystical things all around, perfect ground for play and messing with cosmic deities to reshape it into whatever one would want.

Does that show that Charlie is bored? Yes, but also shows that she has things she enjoys doing and she keeps herself and survivors busy. As none of them can really "die" in Constant, she will toy with them for eternities to come

Time flows differently in the Constant, and there may be multiple Charlies at the same time as multiple survivors like all Maxwells occupying worlds. Charlie is darkness, she is omnipresent. Survivors have a weird flow of time over the world around them, making things happen and move while they are there. It would be hard to deny any of this or confirm it, since it's not consistent and things just kinda happen.

For one of posts I don't think Charlie hates Maxwell anymore. She did, she has, but it was some bit before. She moved on. She has him as her new piece to the chess board and she will use him as much as she can. It may be to toy with him and to push her own plans, it's unclear. All we know she stays consistent herself for what she does and what her plans are. Though gives the choice for survivors to do it themselves to help her cause.

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You know what's weird? She makes survivors do the heavy lifting. As queen of shadows she seems to stay away and watch, letting the pawns do the work. She is the most powerful piece on the board but she doesn't use her powers to push for opening rifts or slay things herself. Is her power limited? Perhaps she is all powerful but as frail as any piece, it would make sense. In chess she has as much life as any one chess piece and can fall as any other survivor. Only thing to save her is her omnipresence in darkness and nothing catching up to her speed. So, if we were to somehow reach the Throne room again, she possibly won't have anywhere to go, or be forced to be running and cause her to lose that power of command over shadows.

She could have died in Moon island, which was probably scariest thing she could have done but tragic torch has protected her. She is mostly shadows, slaying her won't be easy nor hard. She risked helping Winona in the recent short to get Abigail restored and back to Wendy.

There's some level of human in her to want to help and interact, but she is isolating herself. Antisocial and traumatized in trusting anyone cause of Maxwell. She won't ever approach Winona directly and she will only push her plans further as much as she can from safe distance.

I think she does still hate Maxwell, but it's more contempt than rage. A little Drama occured only a few months before Encore, and it showed that Charlie viewed Maxwell as a Liar and a Coward.

As for making the survivors doing the work... The projections cast by the shadow throne seem to limit the power of the person who sat on it - Maxwell in adventure mode could only really make idle threats, and while Charlie can still cause harm, she's likely not invincible imo.

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, WenericMember said:

That's a possible interpretation, but I personally don't think it works because that logic could be applicable to literally every situation - Winona is allies with literally all of the survivors, but Charlie disregards pretty much all of them.

From a gameplay perspective, the fragile rose can ONLY be held by Winona. As such, I don't think that her compassion for Winona inherently extends to the other survivors. If it was an item that could be held by anyone that only Winona could make, I think that theory would hold up better.

On top of that, its a subtle thing, but Wendy was the one who noticed the petals initially, not Winona. In both a Watsonian and Doylist sense, if the gesture was meant for Winona, I feel like the short would've shown Winona noticing the petals - especially as Winona's skill set is specifically identifying Charlie.

Finally, the message of the short - "Some things once lost are gone forever, but how will you know if you don't keep looking" is meant to, in my opinion, reflect Charlie's humanity as well as Abigail's flower. So it sort of underrmines the message of the short if she's doing this completely for Winona, which we've known since her skill tree.

As such, I think its way more likely that Charlie is empathizing with the connection of Wendy & Abigail, but I'll admit I hope for a followup in the next update that clarifies this.

i am not sure we will get told explicitly but it would be nice all the same to get more information and context so here is hoping!

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, gaymime said:

i am not sure we will get told explicitly but it would be nice all the same to get more information and context so here is hoping!

I doubt we'll get more followup on that specific event until maybe Wendy's skill tree? But I think we might get something about Charlie's nature. It just depends on what sort of content that add.