Gameplayer143 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Like seriously what reason is there to make it not work on shadow creatures and clockworks anymore? This is unironically the one issue I have with this update. It especially sucks for Wormwood and Warly due to healing being harder to do for them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Klei trying to apply real-life logic on a game that previously thrives on nonsensical thinking be like: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 you know what you can maybe do now? Capture spider warriors in traps and carry them around. Whenever you need healing, drop them and then hit them. I dont' know if feeding warriors heals them, but if it does, just keep feeding, trapping and hitting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, chirsg said: you know what you can maybe do now? Capture spider warriors in traps and carry them around. Whenever you need healing, drop them and then hit them. I dont' know if feeding warriors heals them, but if it does, just keep feeding, trapping and hitting. 3 slots to heal by losing sanity.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Gameplayer143 said: Like seriously what reason is there to make it not work on shadow creatures and clockworks anymore? This is unironically the one issue I have with this update. It especially sucks for Wormwood and Warly due to healing being harder to do for them. Yeah its weird and ruins the item completly. I dont get the logic either of making it like wortox souls. It converts sainity and physical force to health according to Wagstaff. Â They said they will look into it though looks like it stayed the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Possibly because bat-bat steals the life force of another mob to heal you, but logic would imply that shadow creatures, and clockwork mechanical creatures have no soul or life force to drain. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 20 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Possibly because bat-bat steals the life force of another mob to heal you, but logic would imply that shadow creatures, and clockwork mechanical creatures have no soul or life force to drain. Wagstaff says otherwise. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Anis5240 said: trying to apply real-life logic there aren't life steal and shadow creatures in real life Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 7 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: Wagstaff says otherwise. actually agreeing with Wagstaff here...After all the creatures could have some different form of "soul" and physical matter to draw from. (ACTUALLY if I had made this item i would specifically for clockworks and shadows make it work like that that it DOES still convert but at a significant lower impact, which would reflect converting the physical force of those creatures and still imply the lack part of the concept of "soul") Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Meh, not that big of a deal IMO. Plenty of other methods of healing. Still super useful. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Just now, Jakepeng99 said: Wagstaff says otherwise. Ever heard of the "unreliable narrator"? Playable characters are kinda like that. They're just people, so they're not necessarily correct or 100% truthful in everything they say. Wagstaff is a science guy, of course he'll try to explain everything through the science lense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, skile said: Ever heard of the "unreliable narrator"? Playable characters are kinda like that. They're just people, so they're not necessarily correct or 100% truthful in everything they say. Wagstaff is a science guy, of course he'll try to explain everything through the science lense. Also true, obviously. Though Wagstaff to me feels the most reliable (sorry I know I am biased) when it comes to explaining since he seemed to observe this world with the /intention/ to explain and /understand/ it. (kind of wants to find out the objective non-subjective truth....if I understood his intention right) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 1 minute ago, NPCMaxwell said: Also true, obviously. Though Wagstaff to me feels the most reliable (sorry I know I am biased) when it comes to explaining since he seemed to observe this world with the /intention/ to explain and /understand/ it. (kind of wants to find out the objective non-subjective truth....if I understood his intention right) Fair. I do think he's more reliable than at least half the cast when it comes to this stuff, it's just something to keep in mind. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowercase skye Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 The reasoning given in one of the beta update threads was that it's for the sake of internal consistency: the bat bat now uses the same internal logic as what mobs drop souls for Wortox. Shadow creatures and clockworks don't drop souls, so they don't heal you when hit with a bat bat, it's just SUPER unfortunate that the ruins are almost exclusively populated by two mobs that don't drop souls. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, skile said: Fair. I do think he's more reliable than at least half the cast when it comes to this stuff, it's just something to keep in mind. I do, or else everything would end up in chaos. It could even be that Wagstaff is extremly wrong over here and the force behind shadows and clockwork creatures is entirely disconnected from science and instesd some of the purest (darkest) form of supernatural magic that Wagstaff can't explain (OR that is even too advanced for HIS mind) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 because this isn't a well thought out change, just like all the other random stuff From Beyond adds Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 1 minute ago, _zwb said: because this isn't a well thought out change, just like all the other random stuff From Beyond adds You just summed up why I fear it every time a game (ANY GAME) makes changes to its content or does a spinoff / new part. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunty_x Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Wait they nerfed the Batbat ?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 12 hours ago, Evelo said: Meh, not that big of a deal IMO. Plenty of other methods of healing. Still super useful. It is kinda a big deal for the item. These things are loot from ruins chests too, yet they only work against the ancient guardian. It kills it in this scenario. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 23 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said: I do, or else everything would end up in chaos. It could even be that Wagstaff is extremly wrong over here and the force behind shadows and clockwork creatures is entirely disconnected from science and instesd some of the purest (darkest) form of supernatural magic that Wagstaff can't explain (OR that is even too advanced for HIS mind) tbh Wagstaff probably does understand the shadow "power" significantly less than the lunar, considering in singleplayer he has shown interest in the former, yet later only succeeded with the latter, seemingly. My guess is that he doesn't necessarily care for either "side", but just goes with whatever can serve his purpose best, but that's a whole another talk(Wagstaff is a very fascinating character). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 Every time I look back at this forum I have less reasons to play the game again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangsheng Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 A very reasonable update, its last usable area has also been stripped, and Klei is unwilling to reset its basic functions. I can't imagine any need to use it now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 If it wasn't for this thread I would probably think I encountered a bug when using the batbat to kill robots and shadow creatures instead of it sharing the logic of Wortox souls. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 3 hours ago, Evelo said: Meh, not that big of a deal IMO. Plenty of other methods of healing. Still super useful. The problem is that now you cant rely only in that item but you need an additional item to support it which sucks. If im using a healing item that is already barely used in the community i shouldn't waste an additional slot to bring more healing They waste time nerfing an item like batbat for reasons meanwhile we have gamebreaking stuff untouchable... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted June 28, 2024 Share Posted June 28, 2024 What a horrible change to wake up to. I can use nothing but batbats up until jelly beans and this is a big blow to anyone who uses them over more roundabout methods. An incredible blow to Wormwood for no reason. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157625-why-nerf-the-batbat/#findComment-1730149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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