Cookie Clicker Winona Seriously needs a nerf (its a "bug" thing nevermind)

[Jakepeng99]

Video by Ameslarii showing the power.

This is just too insane even if it is funny to watch... keep in mind the catapults still need to get their extra affinity abilities which are unimplemented so this is not their full power. This is as easy as cookie clicker and is not hard to set up.

 

Edit: Dont bother responding to this message, because it has being solved right now.

[Arcwell]

Please stop using Ameslarii's videos to make a point.

[Cruvimaster]

2 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

Please stop using Ameslarii's videos to make a point.

I don't see any problem. Why hide this in the Forum?

[Jakepeng99]

7 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

Please stop using Ameslarii's videos to make a point.

It doesn't affect or change anything about my points. You don't need to agree with me but this doesnt make sense to critisise this as a default.

[Cruvimaster]

Ameslari will expose all the characters. Even the Willow he likes he exposed without any concern.

[Jakepeng99]

5 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Ameslari will expose all the characters. Even the Willow he likes he exposed without any concern.

Its around 2000 damage per click, this isn't clickbait or unrealistic though.

[xhyom]

12 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

Please stop using Ameslarii's videos to make a point.

It doesn't make sense to use they in a situation where they are playing perfectly and canceling animations in a bizarre speedrun, in that case it's just resources, quite doable for anyone actually.

[fabin]

"this is insanely broken, winona's too op!" -video with 300 catapults, using pure brilliance and enlightened crown shards to kill raid bosses without AOE

if pure brilliance was pre-rifts without needing the wilson transmutes, yeah i'd agree, but this is just basic winona stuff. she could always kill bee queen/dragonfly with catapults for free, this just speeds it up by some time

[Jakepeng99]

8 minutes ago, xhyom said:

It doesn't make sense to use they in a situation where they are playing perfectly and canceling animations in a bizarre speedrun, in that case it's just resources, quite doable for anyone actually.

They are just spamming the click button. They are not animation cancelling or anything. The most they do is take a few steps back.

4 minutes ago, fabin said:

if pure brilliance was pre-rifts without needing the wilson transmutes, yeah i'd agree

Pure horror does the same thing so technically it is pre riff.

 

Also, the enlightment shard does not do anything. It only gives infinite fuel.

4 minutes ago, fabin said:

video with 300 catapults

Its only 16. That is really easy to achieve. Portable to any location

4 minutes ago, fabin said:

she could always kill bee queen/dragonfly with catapults for free, this just speeds it up by some time

Not just some time, a massive amount of time. Defeating in a handful of seconds. Before you still had to dodge and do things, though they are now stunlockable, and die before doing much, if anything.

[Arcwell]

19 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

I don't see any problem. Why hide this in the Forum?

2 reasons:

1. It shows you are not using your own perspective of testing the beta (meaning nuances like the fact that it requires 2 enlightened shards could easily be missed)
2. From a creator's perspective, it is extremely demoralizing. The video was created because Ameslarii wanted to share it with others, not because they wanted it to be nerfed.

19 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

It doesn't affect or change anything about my points. You don't need to agree with me but this doesnt make sense to critisise this as a default.

Your points are (add any I missed):

• "it is funny to watch": entirely dependent on the video
• "this is not their full power": accurate
• "not hard to set up": It costs 18 trusty tape, 48 twigs, 240 rocks, 4 boards, 4 electrical doodads, 4 pure brilliance, and 2 enlightened shards.
• "Seriously needs a nerf": opinion that I disagree with

18 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Ameslari will expose all the characters. Even the Willow he likes he exposed without any concern.

To be clear, I'm not saying showing Ameslarii's video is a problem.
I am saying using Ameslarii's video as a reason to ask for a nerf is the problem.

10 minutes ago, xhyom said:

It doesn't make sense to use they in a situation where they are playing perfectly and canceling animations in a bizarre speedrun, in that case it's just resources, quite doable for anyone actually.

Yes, I don't mean to suggest it's speedrunner-specific. I am saying that forming opinions based on someone else's gameplay and asking for the game to change because of said opinions is flawed.

[mkemal23]

GEMerators don't run out of pure brilliance because it's a bug. You can use pure horror on normal generator to see how fast Catapults empty the generators.(I know two are different but it would at least give you an idea)

[Frashaw27]

Truly, swarming the boss with 16 end game setup equipments makes them kinda easy, who would've guessed?

[Cruvimaster]

8 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

2 reasons:

1. It shows you are not using your own perspective of testing the beta (meaning nuances like the fact that it requires 2 enlightened shards could easily be missed)
2. From a creator's perspective, it is extremely demoralizing. The video was created because Ameslarii wanted to share it with others, not because they wanted it to be nerfed.

Ameslarii will expose all the characters and there will always be someone who will bring a video of him. I wouldn't even bother if I were you.

[fabin]

7 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Pure horror does the same thing so technically it is pre riff.

well yeah, the only difference being you'd need approximately 3 to the power of 45 amount of pure horror to do the same thing, 'cuz from what i tested it seems to consume half the generator with the same amount of catapults, per super blast (even with all the generator efficiency skills)

i would be fine with a small nerf for the reason it is a little too good, but just because she can do it for cheap post-rifts does not mean a skill should be insantly nerfed to the ground

9 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Its only 16. That is really easy to achieve. Portable to any location

i know, it was a hyperbolic :]

[Jakepeng99]

8 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

it requires 2 enlightened shards

This is not a requirement.

The shards only make the fuel infinite. 

8 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

It shows you are not using your own perspective of testing the beta

Yeah your right here. I am at fault for this. Though, it doesnt change the Winona thing.

8 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

From a creator's perspective, it is extremely demoralizing. The video was created because Ameslarii wanted to share it with others, not because they wanted it to be nerfed.

I used it as an example because it was a good showcase. Its not much deeper.

8 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

"not hard to set up": It costs 18 trusty tape, 48 twigs, 240 rocks, 4 boards, 4 electrical doodads, 4 pure brilliance, and 2 enlightened shards.

It does not need the shards. That price is not costly and just needs a doable bit of grind, especially for the reward.

4 minutes ago, mkemal23 said:

GEMerators don't run out of pure brilliance because it's a bug. You can use pure horror on normal generator to see how fast Catapults empty the generators.(I know two are different but it would at least give you an idea)

Oh, thank you for this. I will see how that effects it tommorow and then give my thoughts. I didnt know this was a bug.

[Arcwell]

4 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

This is not a requirement.

The shards only make the fuel infinite. 

In testing a single BQ kill took 19 pure brilliance without using enlightened shards (on top of leaving the player vulnerable while you reload the gemerators).
It might not be required but the alternative is far less feasible.

[Well-met]

are we really surprised skill trees roll all over bosses? it was kinda predictable.

[chirsg]

53 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Video by Ameslarii showing the power.

This is just too insane even if it is funny to watch... keep in mind the catapults still need to get their extra affinity abilities which are unimplemented so this is not their full power. This is as easy as cookie clicker and is not hard to set up.

This is pure brilliance. It's easy to get the wrong idea judging how powerful something is when you can't really obtain certain items before they should be available. 

Ameslarii showcased crab king vs every character and he had a socketed pearl against enlightened crown wigfrid. That's impossible. 

[Jakepeng99]

6 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

In testing a single BQ kill took 19 pure brilliance without using enlightened shards (on top of leaving the player vulnerable while you reload the gemerators).
It might not be required but the alternative is far less feasible.

The shards are meant to have an unimplemented cooldown anyway.

[Valase]

Isn't this kinda the same situation where in the Wormwood skill tree beta he one-shot Dfly with one attack?

did you also made a post back then?

[Jakepeng99]

1 minute ago, Valase said:

did you also made a post back then?

No because it was obviously a bug.

[grm9]

1 minute ago, Valase said:

Isn't this kinda the same situation where in the Wormwood skill tree beta he one-shot Dfly with one attack?

did you also made a post back then?

no, that was bugged, this doesn't seem to be

[Cuernito.]

This has to be a bait or one of the most cute and inocent post i have seen since forever lmao.

Ok first, another nerf? please no, she already got nerfed in this beta so no thanks. 

Now my friend, did you know that winona could kill bee queen before day 10 with less catapults than in the video and before this update?  The catapults always has been the best structures to destroy bosses with some exceptions of course. 

And this video actually has a trick, if you pay attention he is using the special planar attack of the catapults, and that drains a lot of fuel(pure brillant) and thats not cheap. Now why he is not running out of fuel you can ask, well the answer is a bug, the devs already told us about that bug and how is going to be patched before the beta ends. Now imagine the same video but with the person actually using the pan flute at least 20 times to have a chance to put some fuel into the gemerators to avoid being destroyed by the bosses after the fuel runs out...  abusing a bug that the devs said is already going to be patched and making a post about nerfing a charater that already got nerfed is too much. maybe you are a fan of stinky wurt but im a fan of winona and i dont like when people make this kind of bad feed back. So please dont do that.

[grm9]

1 minute ago, NekoSoulx said:

well the answer is a bug

enlightened shards making them not run out of fuel is literally intended

2 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Now my friend, did you know that winona could kill bee queen before day 10 with less catapults than in the video and before this update?

did you know that all characters can kill BQ before day 10 without catapults

2 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

she already got nerfed in this beta so no thanks

over exaggeration for attention

[Jakepeng99]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

enlightened shards making them not run out of fuel is literally intended

They are meant to have a cooldown instead.