Please revert the powder monkey AI change

[_zwb]

In case you don't know they would no longer fire cannons if they didn't hit the boat, and they aim with the cannons now.

This makes any farm using monkey and cannons useless, please revert this change, and/or at the very least explain why this was changed.

[gamehun20]

3 minutes ago, _zwb said:

In case you don't know they would no longer fire cannons if they didn't hit the boat, and they aim with the cannons now.

This makes any farm using monkey and cannons useless, please revert this change, and/or at the very least explain why this was changed.

I think the new monkey raid boat has a cannon so it was changed so they actually try to protect their boat instead of just shooting forward

[_zwb]

10 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

I think the new monkey raid boat has a cannon so it was changed so they actually try to protect their boat instead of just shooting forward

Are klei designers not aware of cannon farms though? Abruptly removing those seems silly at this point, just like the lureplant  issue.

[Memetan]

no

[GreenBowers]

They shouldn't be restricted to fixing content because it impacts interesting though unusual farming setups that people create based on wonky ai.

[HeatAndRun]

The new monkey mechanism should be seperated by the cannons players artificially crafted or not. Don't wanna lose the wonderful monkey farm setups.

[chirsg]

6 hours ago, GreenBowers said:

They shouldn't be restricted to fixing content because it impacts interesting though unusual farming setups that people create based on wonky ai.

People have different reasons as to why the play the game. I've been around a lot of players to know that this is something people REALLY enjoy doing. I think it would be fair if a "Fixed" cannon could make it into the game at least. Something that fires a round only straight. And paint it black.

There should be a little compensation for the farmers. They play the game too and this is how they enjoy the game with other people.

 

They play "Don't Starve Together" While most of us play alone. They're playing more correctly than we are

[Mike23Ua]

7 minutes ago, chirsg said:

People have different reasons as to why the play the game. I've been around a lot of players to know that this is something people REALLY enjoy doing. I think it would be fair if a "Fixed" cannon could make it into the game at least. Something that fires a round only straight. And paint it black.

There should be a little compensation for the farmers. They play the game too and this is how they enjoy the game with other people.

 

They play "Don't Starve Together" While most of us play alone. They're playing more correctly than we are

I’m not really sure if Klei ever intended for Automated farms to be part of their game, but.. I think it would be cool if players could kill Crab King and get one of his crab towers from doing that PER CRAB KING KILL.

It would be like tiny minion crabs pledging their alliance to boss crab then you come along and you defeat their boss so they pledge alliance to you.

(See Minions movie for further reference)

These towers would be actual placeable On the Sea Versions of I guess Hodious Shootius? Either way… there’s definatly no need to revert a change so unintended monkey farms work again.

[_zwb]

8 hours ago, GreenBowers said:

unusual farming setups

Given the fact that a) monkeys will shoot cannons forever if there's a boat in range and b) monkeys cannot aim with the cannons, it's dead obvious that one could set up a farm utilising constant AOE damage and/or AOE destroy. If klei designer consider this as unintended or surprising then they might as well quit the job not spotting something this obvious.

4 hours ago, HeatAndRun said:

The new monkey mechanism should be seperated by the cannons players artificially crafted or not. Don't wanna lose the wonderful monkey farm setups.

Agree. They can do that quite easily.

[mima_]

RIP all auto cannon farm 

[EatenCheetos]

18 hours ago, _zwb said:

Are klei designers not aware of cannon farms though? Abruptly removing those seems silly at this point, just like the lureplant  issue.

Oh god don’t start this again. Intended mechanics should always take precedence over unintended ones if they happen to conflict. Good monkey AI > your farms that abuse the bad monkey AI

[cameron8800]

Incompetent player blaming the devs. Poor you lost your monkey farm. 

[grm9]

1 hour ago, EatenCheetos said:

Intended mechanics should always take precedence over unintended ones if they happen to conflict

intended doesn't automatically mean good

[GreenBowers]

Unintended ones shouldnt take priority over making an entity properly work.

[grm9]

1 minute ago, GreenBowers said:

Unintended ones shouldnt take priority over making an entity properly work

how does something being intended matter?

[GreenBowers]

14 minutes ago, grm9 said:

how does something being intended matter?

??? Because its intended for the game?

 

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, GreenBowers said:

??? Because its intended for the game?

 

why does that matter? something can be intended and bad or unintended and good too

[GreenBowers]

Lets say people found a way to make a really cool sapling farm with twigs, but doing so meant every other person that played the game couldn't pick twigs normally anymore because they were bugged out. Obviously they would patch that when they want to fix the twigs.

[grm9]

1 minute ago, GreenBowers said:

Lets say people found a way to make a really cool sapling farm with twigs, but doing so meant every other person that played the game couldn't pick twigs normally anymore because they were bugged out. Obviously they would patch that when they want to fix the twigs

that's entirely unrelated to things being intended and unintended

[GreenBowers]

Just now, grm9 said:

that's entirely unrelated to things being intended and unintended

No it is not. Its literally on par with whats being discussed. Monkeys didn't properly defend their ships with cannons, a game mechanic. People used this broken mechanic for some neat farms, sure. Doesn't mean you don't fix the intended game mechanic of them using cannons properly.

 

[Antynomity]

1 hour ago, cameron8800 said:

Incompetent player blaming the devs. Poor you lost your monkey farm. 

Love it when a cool unintended interaction that a player can take advantage of gets removed. Reminds me of Helldivers 2 'balancing' team removing shrapnel from the Eruptor sniper rifle because it could kill a lot of enemies in one shot if aimed at the right spot from the right angle (the bug argument was an excuse)

[GreenBowers]

1 minute ago, Antynomity said:

Love it when a cool unintended interaction that a player can take advantage of gets removed. Reminds me of Helldivers 2 'balancing' team removing shrapnel from the Eruptor sniper rifle because it could kill a lot of enemies in one shot if aimed at the right spot from the right angle (the bug argument was an excuse)

Thats the kinda take I would expect to see from mike, referencing a random game mechanic from something, but I actually understood it this time lol

 

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, GreenBowers said:

No it is not. Its literally on par with whats being discussed. Monkeys didn't properly defend their ships with cannons, a game mechanic. People used this broken mechanic for some neat farms, sure. Doesn't mean you don't fix the intended game mechanic of them using cannons properly

it being intended or unintended is still irrelevant, only it being good or bad matters, and in this case it seems like the issue is them requiring a boat to shoot and that seems to be unrelated to them working properly since they could just prioritize boats

[GreenBowers]

Ok bro, sure.

[_zwb]

4 hours ago, EatenCheetos said:

Oh god don’t start this again. Intended mechanics should always take precedence over unintended ones if they happen to conflict. Good monkey AI > your farms that abuse the bad monkey AI

I would agree if the new AI is good. The new AI is so stupid that monkeys would constantly go for the cannon and go for the player half way to the cannon, they would turn the cannon towards them and die to it, they don't even actually aim for your boat, it's just ±30 degrees from its current angle.

Is this good to you?

4 hours ago, cameron8800 said:

Incompetent player blaming the devs. Poor you lost your monkey farm. 

There are alternatives and players have come up with new solutions, however cases where klei casually destroys mob farm will happen again and again if the designer doesn't learn.