NotGabriel Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 One of my favorite little interactions playing Wurt is her neutrality with Frogs. It makes frog rain peaceful for her, and allows frog pond biomes to become great hound defense. I understand the vision of these skills as allowing Wurt to take advantage of all aspects of the swamp, and I know frogs don’t actually spawn there, but it seems like a real missed opportunity if they don’t incorporate Frog buffs into the skill tree as they are way more useful than mosquito bombs and already have a precedent in her power! I’ll list out some ideas for Frog-Related skills Frog Wrangler - Wurt can pick up and hold Frogs in her inventory. Frog Wrangler 2 - Frogs can be dropped near Swamp Ponds to have them inhabit it, once 3 Frogs are deposited it becomes a spawn point for Frogs. Frog Princess - Frogs can be made into Followers by Wurt in the same manner as Merms (feeding one will recruit multiple nearby). Additionally, having a Merm King alive will pacify frogs to non-Wurt players like Merms. Lunar Affinity: Lunar Batrachologist - Gain the ability to convert Frogs into Bright Eyed Frogs by feeding them Lune Blossoms or Lunar Butterflies. I feel like there’s a lot of potential in having Frogs as a cheap minion option for Wurt. They have horde like tendencies so frog rain would become a Wurt’s dream, having one friendly frog direct an armies’s aggro. Plus, bright eyed frogs would be a game changer for combat by causing buildup of sleep on enemies constantly. I know they aren’t much and perhaps redundant, but they would be miles better and more fitting than weaponizing Mosquitos. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 Nah, looks like they want to encourage wurt players to base and stay in the swamp. (Swamp being the best place for wurt players anyway!) I believe this to be the core of why mosquito crafts are going to be a thing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshyds Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 i think wurt should atleast have an ability to remove and create ponds, so the mosquito bomb (which i hope will be purged from reality) and frogs would make more sense. imagine going 50 km to reach randomly generated ponds Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotGabriel Posted June 4, 2024 Author Share Posted June 4, 2024 45 minutes ago, marshyds said: i think wurt should atleast have an ability to remove and create ponds, so the mosquito bomb (which i hope will be purged from reality) and frogs would make more sense. imagine going 50 km to reach randomly generated ponds This is where my idea to convert swamp ponds stems from. I think making ponds would be cool but could also be messy since they are currently indestructible hit boxes. Maybe some kind of Craftsmerm structure? Like a bee box for mosquitos? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 2 hours ago, Gashzer said: Nah, looks like they want to encourage wurt players to base and stay in the swamp. (Swamp being the best place for wurt players anyway!) I believe this to be the core of why mosquito crafts are going to be a thing. Now if only they were good... All jokes aside being able to use frogs and lunar frogs would be really cool honestly and they wouldn't conflict with merms as much as mosquitos do. That being said either way they wouldn't really give a good reason to use them over merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 The idea of turning Mosquito ponds into frog ponds is quite cute actually. Would like this change. But additionally it would be cool to convert normal ponds into mosquito ponds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daszkal Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 5 hours ago, Gashzer said: Nah, looks like they want to encourage wurt players to base and stay in the swamp. (Swamp being the best place for wurt players anyway!) I believe this to be the core of why mosquito crafts are going to be a thing. Wurt should be allowed to make bases wherever she wants, yeah Swamp is better for her as everything she needs is there, but she also can make Swamp turfs herself that is supposed to allow her to make Merm bases outside the Swamp. I'm hoping the Amphibian branch, Klei mentioned, will allow her to utilize the Frog ponds and frogs so she wouldn't be so locked into the Swamp, I'm also hoping the Swamp Mastery branch allows her to create Swamp resources like Reeds, Tentacles, and Mosquito ponds so she can just make a Swamp right next to important biomes instead of wasting days running all the way to the edge of the island to base in a Swamp. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 Are the Moon Blight frogs peaceful and non hostile to Wurt? I haven’t ever checked to see. Im assuming the reason we can’t create frog grenades is because frogs won’t always be our friends.. they will attack other players, and assuming Moon Frogs or even Shipwrecked Poison frogs get added to the game, They may not all be peaceful towards Wurt & honestly unless she’s Lunar Aligned, I don’t think that Lunar entity possessed moon frogs SHOULD be peaceful towards her anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 I actually dislike the connection between frogs and wurt so im happy if they dont take that route Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 12 hours ago, NotGabriel said: One of my favorite little interactions playing Wurt is her neutrality with Frogs. It makes frog rain peaceful for her, and allows frog pond biomes to become great hound defense. I understand the vision of these skills as allowing Wurt to take advantage of all aspects of the swamp, and I know frogs don’t actually spawn there, but it seems like a real missed opportunity if they don’t incorporate Frog buffs into the skill tree as they are way more useful than mosquito bombs and already have a precedent in her power! I’ll list out some ideas for Frog-Related skills Frog Wrangler - Wurt can pick up and hold Frogs in her inventory. Frog Wrangler 2 - Frogs can be dropped near Swamp Ponds to have them inhabit it, once 3 Frogs are deposited it becomes a spawn point for Frogs. Frog Princess - Frogs can be made into Followers by Wurt in the same manner as Merms (feeding one will recruit multiple nearby). Additionally, having a Merm King alive will pacify frogs to non-Wurt players like Merms. Lunar Affinity: Lunar Batrachologist - Gain the ability to convert Frogs into Bright Eyed Frogs by feeding them Lune Blossoms or Lunar Butterflies. I feel like there’s a lot of potential in having Frogs as a cheap minion option for Wurt. They have horde like tendencies so frog rain would become a Wurt’s dream, having one friendly frog direct an armies’s aggro. Plus, bright eyed frogs would be a game changer for combat by causing buildup of sleep on enemies constantly. I know they aren’t much and perhaps redundant, but they would be miles better and more fitting than weaponizing Mosquitos. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: Are the Moon Blight frogs peaceful and non hostile to Wurt? I haven’t ever checked to see. Im assuming the reason we can’t create frog grenades is because frogs won’t always be our friends.. they will attack other players, and assuming Moon Frogs or even Shipwrecked Poison frogs get added to the game, They may not all be peaceful towards Wurt & honestly unless she’s Lunar Aligned, I don’t think that Lunar entity possessed moon frogs SHOULD be peaceful towards her anyway. The moon blight frogs are non hostile to Wurt. I believe it's because they work on the same logic as shattered spiders. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daszkal Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: Are the Moon Blight frogs peaceful and non hostile to Wurt? I haven’t ever checked to see. Im assuming the reason we can’t create frog grenades is because frogs won’t always be our friends.. they will attack other players, and assuming Moon Frogs or even Shipwrecked Poison frogs get added to the game, They may not all be peaceful towards Wurt & honestly unless she’s Lunar Aligned, I don’t think that Lunar entity possessed moon frogs SHOULD be peaceful towards her anyway. Maybe she can decorate the frog ponds which makes the frogs friendly, they'll be smiling to show they're friendly and won't attack other survivors, also they can wear hats too! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted June 4, 2024 Share Posted June 4, 2024 13 hours ago, NotGabriel said: it seems like a real missed opportunity if they don’t incorporate Frog buffs into the skill tree as they are way more useful than mosquito bombs and already have a precedent in her power! She could yeet frogs at enemies. Or frog bombs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 3 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: frog bombs Frog bombs would be devastating onto bosses tbh. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 5 hours ago, arubaro said: I actually dislike the connection between frogs and wurt so im happy if they dont take that route Mildly curious why don't you like the frog connection? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 Why use mosquitos or frogs when merms are RIGHT THERE. YES, I would like to introduce the merm bomb. Slaps bomb This puppy can fit so many merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 26 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: merm bomb Wurt's own version of the merm warriors akin to the pig warriors from the Pig King minigame would be fun, but also like the merm guards are already there so lel Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daszkal Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 34 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: Why use mosquitos or frogs when merms are RIGHT THERE. YES, I would like to use introduce the merm bomb. Slaps bomb This puppy can fit so many merms. New Winona and Wurt synergy, Merms can be loaded onto catapults and fire at targets. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotGabriel Posted June 5, 2024 Author Share Posted June 5, 2024 8 hours ago, arubaro said: I actually dislike the connection between frogs and wurt so im happy if they dont take that route Fair enough lmao Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 4 hours ago, Mysterious box said: Mildly curious why don't you like the frog connection? Because merms arent frogs, they are deep ones. I dont mind much frogs being neutral but expanding on that wont make sense for me, mosquitoes bomb makes more sense since is something from her habitat used by a intelligent merm but in the swamp there arent even frogs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 1 minute ago, arubaro said: in the swamp there arent even frogs not really tbh if a single pond nearby the meadow area got into the swampland, it still counts as a frog pond instead of a mosquito one. but that feels like semantics and stuff so lel Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 9 minutes ago, Anis5240 said: not really tbh if a single pond nearby the meadow area got into the swampland, it still counts as a frog pond instead of a mosquito one. but that feels like semantics and stuff so lel If we take in count world gen messing up we can say that moon island can appear in the middle of the swamp.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 19 minutes ago, arubaro said: moon island can appear in the middle of the swamp.... real besides, every gameplay counts as canon anyway Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 20 minutes ago, arubaro said: If we take in count world gen messing up we can say that moon island can appear in the middle of the swamp.... I mean unironically yes since the lunar island is formed by breaking off from the moon and each world is a different timeline/dimension of sorts so it's very possible that in some versions of the constant the lunar island crashes into the mainland. 35 minutes ago, arubaro said: Because merms arent frogs, they are deep ones. I dont mind much frogs being neutral but expanding on that wont make sense for me, mosquitoes bomb makes more sense since is something from her habitat used by a intelligent merm but in the swamp there arent even frogs What are deep ones? Either way it's not a case of them being the same thing it's more so them recognizing each other as allies due to their similar amphibian nature. The mosquito thing doesn't really make sense to me because mosquitos have no reason to be passive to merms and without survivor intervention they probably never would have come up with the idea of weaponizing them as it makes as much sense as Wurt weaponizing tentacles. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted June 5, 2024 Share Posted June 5, 2024 19 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: What are deep ones? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_One DS lore and some creatures are based on the cthulhu mythos. All the Ancients lore or the fact that we have a sanity meter that allow us to see strange things. Also some items like wickers books (that make you go crazy) 24 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Either way it's not a case of them being the same thing it's more so them recognizing each other as allies due to their similar amphibian nature Allies on what? Are frogs that intelligent? Is there any kind of war between the amphibian kingdom and, idk, the birds one?? Many amphibians eat amphibians, birds atack each other and mammals hunt other mammals or fight for territory. There are no allies in nature because there are no sides All this "frog dont atack wurt cuz big frog" was just a forum suggestion added by klei because people complained about wurt being weak so they added 5736151 perks 29 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: The mosquito thing doesn't really make sense to me because mosquitos have no reason to be passive to merms and without survivor intervention they probably never would have come up with the idea of weaponizing them as it makes as much sense as Wurt weaponizing tentacles. There is no mosquito repelent in your country? There are many to make them not notice you (they are attracted by pheromones), she just developed one because is smart and because is smart she uses what is arround her. Isnt my favourite item neither perk but makes sense that a sentinel creature using what is her habitat like how we used leeches to cure, dogs for war or horses to travel Also is a kid so is kinda funny and goofy to catch a bunch of disturbing bugs to throw them to enemies Way more sense that frogs being a follower because "amphibian bros allies supremacy" 46 minutes ago, Anis5240 said: real besides, every gameplay counts as canon anyway 1/10000 chance world gen doesnt count even if you have problems admitting it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156508-it%E2%80%99s-surprising-to-me-that-klei-is-pursuing-mosquitos-as-a-thing-for-wurt%E2%80%99s-skill-tree-when-frogs-are-right-there/#findComment-1719518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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