Respect for Crab King

[Popian]

Something I felt like doing only because of the impending change, I'm not endorsing anything with this.

 

 

[AliceShiki]

As someone who never fought Crab King and who had never seen a video of someone fighting it before... Oh wow, this fight looks absolutely terrifying and seriously hard. Gz on doing that!

Managing the geysers, the claws, the rowing and attacking the boss all together really looks to be quite hard... I can see why people didn't bother with it and went with ice staff methods instead, because it looks like an incredibly hard fight to manage.

Hopefully the new fight is still fun to play! I'm happy that something the majority of the community disliking is being reworked!

[grm9]

On 5/19/2024 at 5:36 AM, AliceShiki said:

this fight looks absolutely terrifying and seriously hard

it's much easier if you get multiple boats 

On 5/19/2024 at 5:36 AM, AliceShiki said:

I can see why people didn't bother with it

most people didn't even try doing that nor know that that's possible

On 5/19/2024 at 5:36 AM, AliceShiki said:

something the majority of the community disliking

most of them kept repeating what others said without trying to do the fight through rowing

[flamboyant wolf]

4 minutes ago, grm9 said:

most of them just kept repeating what others said and never tried the fun way

and... what exactly is this assumption based on? I've seen you say this at least 5 times by now, but how would you know people never tried it the "fun way"? Maybe they just don't find it as fun as you(and it's fine if you do, fun is subjective after all).

You say people keep repeating "what others said" without having tried it, but is it really what's going on, or is it because people just came to a similar conclusion on the topic? 

I hope this doesn't come across as accusatory or anything, it's just that this statement has been bothering me a bit. 

[grm9]

1 minute ago, skile said:

and... what exactly is this assumption based on? I've seen you say this at least 5 times by now, but how would you know people never tried it the "fun way"? Maybe they just don't find it as fun as you(and it's fine if you do, fun is subjective after all) 

because most of the time people complain about killing CK by using ice staves even though you don't need to do that, some of them even think that they're required, a lot of them also likely watched some quite specific videos about the boss that were made before oars got buffed and killing him the fun way became possible

3 minutes ago, skile said:

is it because people just came to a similar conclusion on the topic? 

anyone reading this could say if they've tried killing him by rowing with a damage multiplier, atm it's a bit miserable with x1 damage because claws require like 10 hits to kill in that case and i suggested making it 4 hits for everyone if they deal at least 50 damage per hit

[Captain_Rage]

3 minutes ago, skile said:

and... what exactly is this assumption based on? I've seen you say this at least 5 times by now, but how would you know people never tried it the "fun way"? Maybe they just don't find it as fun as you(and it's fine if you do, fun is subjective after all).

Because they keep repeating other things about the game that simply are not true. No, I will not point out any examples.

 

I also fought the Crab King yesterday when playing with two friends. Apparently Shadow Flames don't target the boss, only its claws. :v

[grm9]

7 minutes ago, Captain_Rage said:

Apparently Shadow Flames don't target the boss, only its claws. :v

that's a problem with all bosses with minions, if you use them against FW while woven shadows are alive at least 4 of them'll go for them instead of FW even if FW is closest target and you're at range at which you can hit him with a melee attack, they added that so you could use it against groups of enemies without all 5 projectiles going for 1 enemy that would've died from 1 projectile

[Captain_Rage]

I only tried casting it a few times both when there was plenty Imposing Claws and few but it never seemed to target the Crab King itself. Either it simply impossible to lock on that target or I got unlucky. I should test it again at some point.

[Wonz]

Now try it with average survivor like wilson

[Cruvimaster]

It gets interesting if we think that Klei is bringing a new boss to the game and removing an old one, as the changes are so many that it's practically that. 

[grm9]

43 minutes ago, Wonz said:

Now try it with average survivor like wilson

that's why most people that like current CK suggested to make claws require X hits to kill as all characters, it would've been the same but longer as wilson if that would've got changed 

[flamboyant wolf]

47 minutes ago, grm9 said:

that's why most people that like current CK suggested to make claws require X hits to kill as all characters, it would've been the same but longer as wilson if that would've got changed 

do keep in mind that mighty Wolfgang also has better rowing abilities, which may aid in this strategy as well, compared to other characters. 

[Jakepeng99]

Use malbatross bill.

[mr. brj]

2 hours ago, Wonz said:

Now try it with average survivor like wilson

Sure, I even have a tutorial on how to do it.

 

[Guille6785]

CK had a ton of room for optimization as well, didn't even need bees if you played your cards right:

 

8 hours ago, skile said:

You say people keep repeating "what others said" without having tried it, but is it really what's going on, or is it because people just came to a similar conclusion on the topic? 

Why is it that the majority of people who dislike crab king repeat the same 5 or so points, many of which are taken directly from freddofilms's video from years ago, and others which aren't even true? These include that ice staffs are mandatory (completely false), that rowing either doesn't work or isn't a viable alternative to ice staves (also wrong), that Crab King somehow needs a melee attack to be a fun fight, that Crab King doesn't "interact with boat mechanics" (absolutely not true), etc. etc.

These are clearly not statements from people who tried creative strats like the ones shown above and then didn't find them fun, these are clearly statements coming from people who haven't really experimented with the fight at all beyond killing him with bees/ice staves and are just repeating the common sentiment

[Popian]

3 hours ago, Wonz said:

Now try it with average survivor like wilson

 

It may be possible to do with better routing or some repairs, but it's not something I would want to work out with the smaller windows. It heavily encourages committing to narrower dodges while drifting towards the next claw with about a 10-30% chance of having an outlier geyser that clips the outer edge of the boat.

There are other promising answers like backtracking before a spell starts or a zigzag with just as little tolerance for mistakes.

[Primalflower]

i am happy with the new crab king fight but it sucks to see so many instantly trashing the old one. there were a lot of ways to get creative with it even as an average player. it was honestly a very satisfying fight, both  with multiple players and alone. I cant help but feel like there is a lot of "this is the strategy i was told about/perceived, and thereby is the lens i am judging the entire fight by" going on. I know this because I experienced it myself early on when the fight was just introduced. No video I saw had people move out of the way of the geysers, and many of them just really quickly repaired the leaks before continuing the fight. So I was under the impression that the fight was just a mandatory boat patch sink on top of the entire rest of the fight. I think many are working on old, inefficient/unfun strategies that make the boss look worse.

Crab king was fun, especially with the strategies people came up with towards the very end of its life.

[lowercase skye]

1 hour ago, Guille6785 said:

These are clearly not statements from people who tried creative strats like the ones shown above and then didn't find them fun, these are clearly statements coming from people who haven't really experimented with the fight at all beyond killing him with bees/ice staves and are just repeating the common sentiment

9 hours ago, grm9 said:

most people don't know that this is a thing because they've never tried it

most of them just kept repeating what others said and never tried the fun way

I'm glad to finally hear this sentiment coming from someone else. I've always been of the opinion that people only dislike Crab King due to just repeating what other people/certain youtubers say about him, without actually trying the fight themselves and finding a way to make it fun, and it's nice to see that it's not just me. I'm excited to see how the new fight feels, and I trust that Klei's made something fun again, but I've always been a huge fan of old Crab King and I'm glad to see this sort of thread during this last sendoff period.