CatDrKahl Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Is Maxwell an actual demon? He was human before, but now (and in official artwork, he is sometimes depicted with sharp clawed hands, and triangular teeth (predominantly in his Survivor portrait and the Moonbound portrait) The other Survivors will refer or reference Maxwell as being a demon/demonic entity "Maxwell might be looking for this." -Wilson: Pitchfork (DS) His name was most likely derived from the thought experiment "Maxwell's Demon" In-game his skintone is a pallid blood-drained blueish-white. There's all this evidence but no actual confirmation! I would love to discuss this, or even get outright confirmation from a Dev! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkArts Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) Whether he is or isn't I would think that originally he was completely human. The results of his demonification would be, in my mind, either a result of the nightmare throne or using the codex umbra Though in relation to this I would also like to point a finger towards the change of Charlie Edited March 16 by InkArts 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 https://www.klei.com/games/dont-starve Says right there “Trapped by a Demon” 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 14 minutes ago, InkArts said: Whether he is or isn't I would think that originally he was completely human. The results of his demonification would be, in my mind, either a result of the nightmare throne or using the codex umbra Though in relation to this I would also like to point a finger towards the change of Charlie He certainly was human to begin with, that isn't something that can be argued. Maybe his demonic corruption started with the Codex, and was exacerbated by the Nightmare Throne? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenerateFurry Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 There's clearly a difference between demon demons (Wortox, Krampus, Klaus) and whatever They are/the shadows. Maxwell, like Charlie, has just been corrupted by Them and has some kind of shadow magic affecting his body. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshyds Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 (edited) 17 hours ago, CatDrKahl said: In-game his skintone is a pallid blood-drained blueish-white. the fella is canonically like a billion years old (he immediately turned into dust when sitting up from his gaming chair), he's probably undead at this point. Edited March 17 by marshyds 1 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 i think they joke about the pitchfork since he DID trap all of them in an unending realm of torment 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 2 hours ago, marshyds said: the fella is canonically like a billion years old (he immediately turned into dust when sitting up from his gaming chair), he's probably undead at this point. true, true, that could also be a reason for his color (lol his gaming chair) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsheen Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 17 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: https://www.klei.com/games/dont-starve Says right there “Trapped by a Demon” Wow, amazing catch! I wonder if this is a reference to 'Maxwell's Demon', him being a cruel man, or just taken literally and that he is a demon of some kind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bughead Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 He's just british c'mon, you people /j As much as the topic of "demonification" by Them is interesting I don't think the skintone argument holds up, Wilson also has #FFFFFF skin, i think it's the outfit ± the lighting 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Horsheen said: Wow, amazing catch! I wonder if this is a reference to 'Maxwell's Demon', him being a cruel man, or just taken literally and that he is a demon of some kind. I think it's more just saying that Maxwell is cruel. The main point of this big question I'm asking is to find out if Maxwell is (at least half) a species/biological demon now. (It's why I provided canon images.) I do know that Wortox/Krampii demons are not the same species of demon that Maxwell might be, but the evidence is there to say he is a demon/demonic entity. Shark-like triangular teeth, hands that have sharp, claw-like points, and an "undead" blue skin tone. 5 minutes ago, Bughead said: He's just british c'mon, you people /j As much as the topic of "demonification" by Them is interesting I don't think the skintone argument holds up, Wilson also has #FFFFFF skin, i think it's the outfit ± the lighting I just barely went to check Maxwell's skin tone and it's #E7E8EE, a blueish-white. You don't typically see that color on healthy people... ^._^." whether Maxwell is undead or demonic, his skintone is not exactly healthy... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkArts Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, marshyds said: the fella is canonically like a billion years old (he immediately turned into dust when sitting up from his gaming chair), he's probably undead at this point. I just love that you called it his gaming chair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kehun Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 He kidnapped people into this crazy world ofc he is a demon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 47 minutes ago, kehun said: He kidnapped people into this crazy world ofc he is a demon yes, Maxwell is most certainly a demon in his actions, but that is not what I am questioning here. I am wondering if he was physiologically (his anatomy/biology, his literal body chemistry) changed into a demon. I'm not concerned about how the other Survivors see him as a demon, I'm not concerned about what the game description calls him (as in that case, it could simply be referring to his mannerisms) What I'm concerned about is if his very body, and everything in it was changed biologically into a more "demonic" set. I'm not concerned about the metaphorical demon Maxwell is, I'm questioning if he's a literal demon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshyds Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 On 3/16/2024 at 9:46 PM, CatDrKahl said: and triangular teeth (predominantly in his Survivor portrait and the Moonbound portrait) "My teeth are getting too old for this." - Maxwell, when examining jerky. Theory: Maxwell sharpened his teeth in order to be able to eat jerky better. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, marshyds said: "My teeth are getting too old for this." - Maxwell, when examining jerky. Theory: Maxwell sharpened his teeth in order to be able to eat jerky better. you go ahead and add that to your headcanons, my dude. X) have any input on the whole "demon" thing, though? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshyds Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 14 minutes ago, CatDrKahl said: have any input on the whole "demon" thing, though? Personally, i believe only his mind sustained damage from the nightmare throne. I think it would be cooler if the change in him was mental, instead of physical. The dude spent who knows how long sitting in one place, in a dark void, with no escape. He probably went mad and gained sobriety over and over again. He has all the knowledge in the world, but at what cost? Well, his humanity. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, marshyds said: Personally, i believe only his mind sustained damage from the nightmare throne. I think it would be cooler if the change in him was mental, instead of physical. The dude spent who knows how long sitting in one place, in a dark void, with no escape. He probably went mad and gained sobriety over and over again. He has all the knowledge in the world, but at what cost? Well, his humanity. you go ahead and put that in your headcanons, dude. There are canon drawings of Maxwell with very clear sharp teeth though, and this big question of mine is looking for some big confirmation. (man, I wish a dev would come by) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshyds Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 17 minutes ago, CatDrKahl said: canon drawings of Maxwell with very clear sharp teeth though, Are skins even canon in lore? Are there unique examines for skins or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 2 minutes ago, marshyds said: Are skins even canon in lore? Are there unique examines for skins or something? that I do not know, but I do know that they are not fanmade drawings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InkArts Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 hours ago, marshyds said: "My teeth are getting too old for this." - Maxwell, when examining jerky. Theory: Maxwell sharpened his teeth in order to be able to eat jerky better. You have found the answer to the entire dst lore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 21 hours ago, CatDrKahl said: you go ahead and put that in your headcanons, dude. There are canon drawings of Maxwell with very clear sharp teeth though, and this big question of mine is looking for some big confirmation. (man, I wish a dev would come by) The fuel changes things that overuse it, he's on the throne. I don't think it's very complicated, maxwell has been very much exposed to possibly (at the time) the most powerful artifact (throne) linking to the shadows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Starver Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 22 hours ago, marshyds said: Are skins even canon in lore? Forge and Gorge skins are, don't know about others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 do you lot think Nome would respond if someone here called him over? more importantly, would he give a clear answer? he's a lil silly like that, he doesn't give clear answers sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatDrKahl Posted March 29 Author Share Posted March 29 @nome please read through the discussions everyone here had about this, and the theories proposed. please give us a hint at least, if not an outright confirmation of anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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