WANDA NEEDS A SKILL TREE!!

[Malfario]

 

34 minutes ago, grm9 said:

 

*she gets around 2-4 infinite teleports every year with average mctusk farming in regular settings.

-Just force spawn triple mc.

-Then why dont put sharkboy on tons so its 20 boots every day ? also wanda with mctusks on tons and triple mctusk byome still gets less teleports than sharkboy on tons

*The scythe its a weapon that every character can use, thats a problem because it removes her uniqueness, wandas quit is designed so she has a bit more of kiting window because getting hit is extremly punishing, the scythe having no range doesnt synergice well with her clock neither gives her that window with which her combat was designed, also, wandas multiplier only affects the phisical damge of the scythe, that even with the cowl, its not that much more dmg than wilson with a brightshade sword and one buffing item.

*New bosses are designed with the philosophy of not getting hit, true, every character except wes, maxwel and old wanda, can survive the hardest attack with the correct armor, Bosses have a little bit of rng on hteir patterns and so they also give a bit of window when those moments screw you off, wanda doesnt have that window.

*And in reference to your last statement, should i be happy that i got 3 years in which a character is playable ? because i dont think i should expect features of a game to have an expiration date and be happy about it, if they made bundling wrap costs 10 rope to craft, efectevely making it useless for everyday food storage, would you say "why are you guys mad, it lasted for a long time"

[grm9]

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

Bosses have a little bit of rng on hteir patterns

they don't?

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

she gets around 2-4 infinite teleports every year with average mctusk farming in regular settings

if we're talking about late game, do you need more? atrium, lunar, base, portal, ruins, ig some boss arenas, where else? that's 2 years

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

-Just force spawn triple mc.

-Then why dont put sharkboy on tons so its 20 boots every day ?

because you can get triple mactusk when playing normally, most people already use seeds that they know are good when megabasing

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

should i be happy that i got 3 years in which a character is playable ?

glass cannon with glass is unplayable? i myself only play as wanda with a mod that increases her damage, but sets her hp to 9.375 when old and turns off healing during fights and it's really fun, i wish there would've been a skill tree branch or something for a glass cannon wanda, since people were saying for some reason that she's supposed to be a glass cannon back when she got released, even though she has 750 effective hp with night armor when old and has infinite free healing

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

wandas quit is designed so she has a bit more of quiting window

did you mean kit and kiting?

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

wandas multiplier only affects the phisical damge of the scythe

she's almost definitely going to get planar damage through skill tree similarly in comparison to wolfgang

9 hours ago, Malfario said:

thats a problem because it removes her uniqueness

new bosses already do that to all characters' fighting perks unless they boil down to cheese like spamming shadow fire and running away or spamming shadow prison and duelists, you'd need to fix all bosses that got added since CC for that to change

[00petar00]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

that should ideally get changed so thule club and dark sword would be better in some scenarios

Not really, the whole point of Wanda is for her to be a high risk high reward but when using other weapons she gets no benefit for old age and it is actually a negative because she deals less damage with them.

I like Wanda for the simplicity so even If developers decided to boost her damage with other weapons it would make the character worse for me, I want to play Wanda and just beat everything down without thinking so I can use the same weapon, same healing and same crockpot dish, this may make her boring to other players but it is unique as no other character is like this. Backtrek watch enforces this opinion, players that don't want to bother thinking as much can always pick Wanda and teleport back to base whenever they forget to bring something, I've done this countless times.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

shadow scythe?

You literally brought up the only option besides alarming clock and I don't really use it because of inventory space since alarming clock takes 1 slot and nightmare fuel can be used to fuel so many other things like magiluminescence or bone armor.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

teleportation? if people would've played as wanda only for high damage, they would've played as wolfgang

I should've been clear, I do prefer teleportation above damage but without damage I probably wouldn't play her because there are other characters that have so many other benefits that Wanda wouldn't be worth picking purely for teleportation.

 

[grm9]

5 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

the whole point of Wanda is for her to be a high risk high reward

it isn't, wanda has less risk and wolfgang has more reward because free infinite healing and a weapon that practically stunlocks some things and makes dealing with most other things easier in comparison to when using other weapons

6 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

when using other weapons she gets no benefit for old age and it is actually a negative because she deals less damage with them

the point was to make them deal more damage than alarming clock so you'd use it when range is beneficial e.g. FW, BQ and CC, thule club if the enemy is nearly stationary for enough time after you hit it for tentacles to hit it and if it doesn't have enough hp for you to kill it faster when using dark sword and dark sword otherwise

10 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

no other character is like this

all of them can be that way except you'd ideally eat whatever you get instead of a specific thing as all of them, i use ornery beefalo as a weapon and don't need healing when playing as maxwell

12 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

You literally brought up the only option besides alarming clock and I don't really use it because of inventory space since alarming clock takes 1 slot and nightmare fuel can be used to fuel so many other things like magiluminescence or bone armor

you'd need to use it when playing during late game because they'll probably add more planar stuff

[00petar00]

Just now, grm9 said:

it isn't, wanda has less risk and wolfgang has more reward because free infinite healing and a weapon that practically stunlocks some things and makes dealing with most other things easier in comparison to when using other weapons

It is hard for me to believe that an experienced player says this. Healing is abundant and it is much easier for someone to kill BQ every 20 days to have healing for the next 40-50 days without problems and always be at high health like Wolfgang while also dealing double damage.

"Free healing" requires you to lose inventory slot for each ageless watch and 1 is never enough as you lose a lot of HP because of her downside/natural aging, any boss fight requires 2 at the minimum If you aren't one of the best players and I consider myself quite good because I don't need 3. My main source of armor is dreadstone helm, night armor and bone helm so unless I use bone helm I need 2 ageless watches.

Wanda's healing is the only part of her kit that becomes worse as game goes on while her teleport ability improves and makes her a real late game character.

5 minutes ago, grm9 said:

the point was to make them deal more damage than alarming clock so you'd use it when range is beneficial e.g. FW, BQ and CC, thule club if the enemy is nearly stationary for enough time after you hit it for tentacles to hit it and if it doesn't have enough hp for you to kill it faster when using dark sword and dark sword otherwise

I don't want to use any other weapons, the fun part about Wanda is that her weapon is very unique by being slower and ranged otherwise she is completely efficient character based on her backtrek watches but why play her when you can play Maxwell for example for the first 500-800 days and gather tusks and thulecite to swap to wanda and craft all of these watches while at the same time you can duplicate stone fruit bushes and farm other mats before swapping.

8 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you'd need to use it when playing during late game because they'll probably add more planar stuff

I haven't used it and probably won't. If developers keep adding planar stuff while Wanda's skill tree doesn't solve her problems, I am swapping to Maxwell 100%.

[grm9]

Just now, 00petar00 said:

It is hard for me to believe that an experienced player says this. Healing is abundant and it is much easier for someone to kill BQ every 20 days to have healing for the next 40-50 days without problems and always be at high health like Wolfgang while also dealing double damage.

"Free healing" requires you to lose inventory slot for each ageless watch and 1 is never enough as you lose a lot of HP because of her downside/natural aging, any boss fight requires 2 at the minimum If you aren't one of the best players and I consider myself quite good because I don't need 3. My main source of armor is dreadstone helm, night armor and bone helm so unless I use bone helm I need 2 ageless watches.

Wanda's healing is the only part of her kit that becomes worse as game goes on while her teleport ability improves and makes her a real late game character

that's still free healing, the point is that you don't need to spend time on getting healing when playing as her unlike other characters

2 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

you lose a lot of HP because of her downside/natural aging

isn't it 2.5 hp per 40 seconds? that's 12.5 free hp per 2 mins with 1 clock, 52.5 with 3 clocks, so 4.2k free hp per 20 days, which is almost double the amount that you can get from BQ

8 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I don't want to use any other weapons, the fun part about Wanda is that her weapon is very unique by being slower and ranged

didn't seem fun to me since range usually only either makes something much easier or just allows you to hit 1-2 more times per enemy's attack at most, maybe that's why it's better to keep the rework as a mod

[00petar00]

Just now, grm9 said:

that's still free healing, the point is that you don't need to spend time on getting healing when playing as her unlike other characters

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

isn't it 2.5 hp per 40 seconds? that's 12.5 free hp per 2 mins with 1 clock, 52.5 with 3 clocks, so 4.2k free hp per 20 days, which is almost double the amount that you can get from BQ

It is free healing to you that doesn't main or probably even play Wanda on the same world for thousands of days.

I would assume that your logic would be that you don't need almost any healing and that it is a detriment to have a slot in your inventory permanently taken by ageless watch or watches.

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

didn't seem fun to me since range usually only either makes something much easier or just allows you to hit 1-2 more times per enemy's attack at most, maybe that's why it's better to keep the rework as a mod

It is part of her unique kit and that is your opinion that it isn't fun but the point is that you have whole cast of characters to choose from and the more unique options we have the better it is.

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

It is free healing to you that doesn't main or probably even play Wanda on the same world for thousands of days

i just don't play on worlds for thousands of days

4 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I would assume that your logic would be that you don't need almost any healing and that it is a detriment to have a slot in your inventory permanently taken by ageless watch or watches

the point was that you get a lot of free healing and 2 items that make not getting hit easier, you still get almost 2k effective hp for fights that last less than 2 mins if you're using night armor

[00petar00]

Just now, grm9 said:

i just don't play on worlds for thousands of days

Why do you consider Wanda to be strong in that case? Wolfgang is better until at least second winter and it is based on luck on how many mactusk camps spawn either 1 or 4.

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

the point was that you get a lot of free healing and 2 items that make not getting hit easier, you still get almost 2k effective hp for fights that last less than 2 mins if you're using night armor

Backstep watch is the second item? Barely useful and is probably not worth learning. The only reason I learned to use backstep watch is because it is unique and fun but otherwise I see no point, it is only useful for few specific boss fights like Dragonfly, Nightmare Werepig, FW and shadow pieces.

[grm9]

1 hour ago, 00petar00 said:

Backstep watch is the second item? Barely useful and is probably not worth learning. The only reason I learned to use backstep watch is because it is unique and fun but otherwise I see no point, it is only useful for few specific boss fights like Dragonfly, Nightmare Werepig, FW and shadow pieces

still makes fighting dfly and FW easier

1 hour ago, 00petar00 said:

Why do you consider Wanda to be strong in that case?

2 hours ago, grm9 said:

wanda has less risk and wolfgang has more reward

[mykenception]

On 3/22/2024 at 5:12 AM, Mike23Ua said:

very very weak or even no survivability against attacks.

weak and no survivability?

if you can't afford to get high damage absorption armor like dreadstone and night armor and don't have the skill to manage being old during those times then it's pretty much I'll advised to keep dipping to old age just for that damage boost

you're just inviting unnecessary risks if you do that

plus she has a backstep watch, literal I-frames

[Cruvimaster]

Whenever I see something related to Wanda ON THIS FORUM I already assume that there is a love-hate relationship with the character.

How can such a good character be the second most hated character here? I don't know.

What I hope is that Wanda is one of the last to receive a skill tree and that Klei does a good job.

[Mike23Ua]

16 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Whenever I see something related to Wanda ON THIS FORUM I already assume that there is a love-hate relationship with the character.

How can such a good character be the second most hated character here? I don't know.

What I hope is that Wanda is one of the last to receive a skill tree and that Klei does a good job.

Wanda will probably end up getting the Wolfgang or Woodie skill tree treatment, as in her skill tree will balance out or even nerf what she already has.

Using Woodie and Wolfgang as the two examples- Klei removed Wolfgang’s movement speed boost bonus from his rework, but then they later gave it back to him through skill tree investment, for things like faster movement while in normal form, and chopping/mining faster when mighty.

Instead of Woodie being gave complete control over all of his Wereform abilities, the skill tree forces you to choose only ONE that you can master.

Wanda is a character one of the last very powerful dlc characters, before the concept of nerfing/balancing them out with a skill tree was a thing.

I feel like people expecting Wanda to become even more crazily overpowered when she gets her rework are going to be quite disappointed when most of that skill tree becomes balance nerfs.

It happened for both Woodie, and Wolfgang.. what makes her the exception?

Im a Wendy Main but even I fully expect Klei to Nerf Wendy with her skill tree (by reintroducing the flower bloom rate cooldown on Abigail’s flower that was in solo DS, but I can invest skill points to get it back to where it functions currently)

Despite what some forum members may try to make you believe, even PVE sandbox games DO sometimes need character balance.

They can’t all be workshop anime characters with crazy overpowered perks and skills.

[mmmmmmmmmmm]

22 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

Planar damage is quite a big problem for Wanda because birghtshade sword is a better weapon to her considering you don't have to stay in old age and can be completely safe for a fight and most of the bosses with planar defense you are going to have an easier time with weapons that have planar damage. Kiting with a clock is good when it actually matters and you can get more hits in and deal more damage with less risk but with planar you are better off using planar weapons because there is much less risk and you deal around the same or more damage.

That is old age, have you never noticed how slow alarming clock was? Animation cancelling makes it so much better that it isn't even close because it is one of the slowest weapons with 142.8 damage.

She is not fine, her main benefit is alarming clock that is surpassed or comparable to planar gear when there should be a clear difference. This will probably be fixed with a skill tree to upgrade her alarming clock. If you use any other weapon you are not encouraged to play Wanda in old age so it doesn't make sense for other weapons to be better for her and alarming clock should always be the best choice.

 

Why revive an old thread though? If you want to keep discussing this you should make another thread, last reply was march 25th.

I revived it because funny, and also, not only is the attack speed not that much slower AT ALL,but her range makes up for her alarming clock even if she is low hp, and her main benefit is not the alarming clock, its the tp clock, anywhere at anytime, it takes a while to set up, but it really is worth it