Jakepeng99 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 There has been Wurt misinformation going around in a recent video about Wurt. Invalid tests, and assumptions. It will stay anomynous, this is just to clarify some flaws rather than poke fun. Important: i am refering to mid and late game where Wurt is often used and is best at. Wurt is best at long term play where you will want to keep rekilling certain bosses or repeating certain things. Although, she is underrated early game when using merms from swamps. Merms During recent tests, they tested merms against many bosses. But, they themselves did not join in the fight and left them to fend for their own which makes these tests invalid, and unrealistic. If Webber's spiders were sent to solo bee queen by themselves, they would clearly fail. If abigail was sent to go solo bee queen, she would clearly fail. Does this mean abigail, merms and spiders are useless? No, since if the characters themselves join in, their performance dramatically increases. Merms are actually great at every boss in the game except the were pig, malbatross, crab king, and arguably Klaus. In fights like celestial champion or toadstool where they will inevitably die, think of them as much stronger gunpowder which gives you resources instead of costing resources (since merms have pretty great drops). Here are a few fights, as for fuelweaver it is up to you if you join in since late game you may have more or less merms involved, and it is up to you if making merms in caves is worth it, it is more of a secondary goal. From experience, 20 merms work well and are safe for bee queen. Less are needed with even one extra player. As for Celestial champion, merms can survive until the 3rd phase (if you make sure to aim the spin attack in the other direction) Merms only respawn in half a day, so if they die you can come back for reinforcements since celestial champion wont run away and regenerates health slowly. Even still, Merms can speed up the fight to save many resources and time for the hardest phase. You can do the same thing for the twins of terror aswell. Rinse and repeat. You only gain from this since merms have great drops. Regarding merm houses, merm drops are what justifies the price besides just from their potential boss farming capabilities and combat. You can make merm warriors have merm wars for them to kill each other, resulting in many fish and frog legs. And the best part, they respawn in half a day. These fish can be traded to the merm king for a plethra of kelp, seeds, and tentacle spots to make even more merms. Frog legs may be turned to eggs in order to be used as filler for jam, dragon pies and a few other dishes. Fish can also be turned to rotten fish, which may be turned to bone shards. All survivors have many uses for fish and frog legs, and this is a great synergy for Warly and his cordon bleu. Merms may also farm trees in order to support Wurt with the wood cost- it is not about who is the fastest. Wurt Herself Regarding Wurts diet, well... stone fruit and kelp you can easily live off forever, with merms easily being able to break them. As for heals in Winter, bluecaps can be easily amassed from blue mushroom biomes in Winter. Bananas, figs , and farming exist too along with healing salves and glands. Sleeping is effective too, there are alot of good options year round. If you have a Wickerbottom with a bookcase, you have infinite sainity/insanity when reading books. Her seasonal fish are doubted on aswell. They are really effective, and easily refuelable. They make her immune to every single season- the sun fish dealing with both spring and Winter. They are tough to get, though one shoal will often provide all the fish you will every need. 4 days is enough for your journeys, bundle an extra fish if you need more. She does not need to spend anything extra, like crockpot ingrediants or circuit slots. The one big downside is dying, since the sun fish burns things near it. This can be countered by putting flamanles inside a fire proof backpack (these being krampus sack, piggy back and insulated pack) though it is a risk to consider since the fish may die if you are unable to return to your corpse in time. It is up to you if you want to go through the effort, or go with the potential risk, but they do have very large benifits you need to try to understand. That is all i got to say in order to avoid this being way too long. Now, if Wurt is fun, that is another story, which is up to you. She does have some big design flaws since once you get enough merms, you essentially win the game. Though one thing for sure, she is not "useless". She fills out the criterias for long term play, and medium term if you are dedicated. (Saw someone set up 18 merm warrior houses before first Winter before) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEATGOOD Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Ok but eber said wurt sucks Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1679988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said: But, they themselves did not join in the fight and left them to fend for their own which makes these tests invalid, and unrealistic no, no they don't. I don't even know why you bring this up the person who made the video literally responded to you explaining his reasoning. 1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said: Merms are actually great at every boss in the game except the were pig, malbatross, crab king, and arguably Klaus. In fights like celestial champion or toadstool where they will inevitably die, think of them as much stronger gunpowder which gives you resources instead of costing resources (since merms have pretty great drops). This is a horrible way to think of merms and it just isn't worth it. Why even bother if it's barely gonna make a dent in the boss? people don't use gunpowder because it isn't worth it why would merms against aoe bosses be any different. (PS there is little reason to ever kill toadstool/misery toadstool more than once so the use of merms is questionable) Also if you think it's arguable that merms are bad against klaus that just diminishes your credibility, it's possibly the worst boss for merms in general for reasons he explained in the video. You also neglect Fuelweaver and AG where there is no use case for merms ever due to being outclassed by rocklobsters (and followers can also block you during the fuelweaver fight so if you do want to use any type of follower it can just backfire on you) His main point remains of "everything wurt can do another method can do better" and i could go more in depth but again, he explains all of this in his video (i just realized i kept saying his video without ever sharing the video and someone already said the user's so here's the link if you wanna watch it yourself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zUKZcv24ag&t=26s&ab_channel=Eberferatu) 1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said: Her seasonal fish are doubted on aswell. They are really effective, and easily refuelable. They make her immune to every single season- the sun fish dealing with both spring and Winter. They are tough to get, though one shoal will often provide all the fish you will every need. 4 days is enough for your journeys, bundle an extra fish if you need more. She does not need to spend anything extra, like crockpot ingrediants or circuit slots. A simple thermal will suffice, but to go further in depth 1. Ice beam is useless because you can always have an ice chester and a thermal cooling off in there, which is way more portable than using an ice beam 2. sunfish isn't that good because you can only get it in summer, thus you can't get it in the time where it'd be most useful and the need for it diminishes the more you play 3. 4 days is not enough for most of your journeys especially in caves, this makes the use of fish severely limited as you MUST go back in 4 days or less or else your fish will die Just use a thermal stone and burn a tree if you need to heat it up/ store in an ice chester to cool it down, it's less work and less restricting. All in all, I do agree with the video on a lot of things, and I do wish wurt can become a better character which is why it's important to voice any criticism on it and have discussion surrounding it. I see wurt as an awkward character because her existence confuses me. Even before maxwells rework both characters were extremely similar, so it's sad to see they chose the route they did with wurt rather than doing something more unique Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1679997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 16, 2023 Author Share Posted November 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, Dextops said: Why even bother if it's barely gonna make a dent in the boss? They make rather large dents. Even able to speed up cc to phase 3. 18 minutes ago, Dextops said: people don't use gunpowder because it isn't worth it why would merms against aoe bosses be any different Because gunpowder costs alot of resources where as merms are a one time investment where they give resources after dying. 20 minutes ago, Dextops said: Also if you think it's arguable that merms are bad against klaus that just diminishes your credibility, it's possibly the worst boss for merms in general for reasons he explained in the video. I said arguable because some people may feel like doing enraged klaus for whatever reason if they have enough merms. Never reccomended it. 21 minutes ago, Dextops said: You also neglect Fuelweaver and AG where there is no use case for merms ever due to being outclassed by rocklobsters (and followers can also block you during the fuelweaver fight so if you do want to use any type of follower it can just backfire on you) Merms kite unlike rock lobsters and have a smaller hitbox which makes them body block much less. As for AG, rocklobsters are better though merms are better for the rest of the ruins since lobsters have a hard time keeping up. 23 minutes ago, Dextops said: "everything wurt can do another method can do better Wurt is all those methods combined into one. A food and log farm which can also kill bosses and mine your fruits. That is one of the neat things about merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: Merms kite unlike rock lobsters and have a smaller hitbox which makes them body block much less. As for AG, rocklobsters are better though merms are better for the rest of the ruins since lobsters have a hard time keeping up. Kiting does nothing but decrease dps, and rock lobsters are basically invincible so they have no need for kiting, you also need less of them so that’s less body blocking (they’re about even anyway, which is why it’s just a constant danger.) just to note every method he gave was cheese free (arguable depending on the person) and if you have no problems with cheese then there’s no reason to ever use minions for fuelweaver. And just to put a final nail in the coffin Merms don’t travel to caves with you meaning you’d need to build a substantial amount in the caves just for them to have little to no use cases, because you don’t really need Merms for anything outside of bosses 12 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: I said arguable because some people may feel like doing enraged klaus for whatever reason if they have enough merms. Never reccomended it. I don’t think you should say arguable because you’d still just be better off not doing it, especially since klaus spawns more elemental circles depending on the amount of minions. 12 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: Wurt is all those methods combined into one. A food and log farm which can also kill bosses and mine your fruits. That is one of the neat things about merms. I was referring to more to boss killing methods where wurt is outclassed a lot of the time. but what food farm? If you I mean killing Merms it isn’t really worth it. A regular pig farm or honey farm (or both) madly outclasses it, and bearger is no character specific and is better than wurt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 16, 2023 Author Share Posted November 16, 2023 34 minutes ago, Dextops said: A simple thermal will suffice, but to go further in depth 1. Ice beam is useless because you can always have an ice chester and a thermal cooling off in there, which is way more portable than using an ice beam 2. sunfish isn't that good because you can only get it in summer, thus you can't get it in the time where it'd be most useful and the need for it diminishes the more you play 3. 4 days is not enough for most of your journeys especially in caves, this makes the use of fish severely limited as you MUST go back in 4 days or less or else your fish will die Just use a thermal stone and burn a tree if you need to heat it up/ store in an ice chester to cool it down, it's less work and less restricting. You can plop your fish into a bundling wrap if it is going to die. And as i mentioned, for caves where there are not much things to burn, you can bundle an extra fish. 4 days is often enough for journeys, that is 32 minutes. Keep in mind in Winter, sunfish spoil 25% slowed, being 40 minutes. Burning trees all the time is pretty tedious and the fish provide really nice qol. They are not needed, but they help alot and can make life easier. They are optional and good for longterm play. The ice bream is not that worth it but it is alright if you have them. 34 minutes ago, Dextops said: All in all, I do agree with the video on a lot of things, and I do wish wurt can become a better character which is why it's important to voice any criticism on it and have discussion surrounding it. I see wurt as an awkward character because her existence confuses me. Even before maxwells rework both characters were extremely similar, so it's sad to see they chose the route they did with wurt rather than doing something more unique I agree with all of this and you are correct, though i believe power is not the area Wurt is lacking. It is more of her gameplay loop and merm kingdom design. We both have different perspectives and beliefs, but want the same thing. Better Wurt. Wether better in power or something else. 2 minutes ago, Dextops said: I was referring to more so boss killing methods, but what food farm? If you I mean killing Merms it isn’t really worth it. A regular pig farm or honey farm (or both) madly outclasses it, and bearger is no character specific and is better than wurt. You can make merms fight each other like spiders. They respawn in half a day, it is really fast. Pigs respawn in 5 days and often need full moons, honey is great but does not work well for healing by itself without extra ingrediants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, Jakepeng99 said: You can plop your fish into a bundling wrap if it is going to die. And as i mentioned, for caves where there are not much things to burn, you can bundle an extra fish. I didn’t mention burning I just mentioned it dying which could place you in a poor position, bundling wrap is valid but it also just feels like more work than it’s worth when it really doesn’t make much of a difference compared to thermals 1 minute ago, Jakepeng99 said: 4 days is often enough for journeys, that is 32 minutes. Keep in mind in Winter, sunfish spoil 25% slowed, being 40 minutes. Burning trees all the time is pretty tedious I really don’t see how burning trees is tedious, it’s much cheaper than ocean fishing, and keep in mind the sunfish can only be used after the first year which diminishes its use case 3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: They are optional and good for longterm play. I’d argue they’re worse for long term play (which is obviously a massive problem for something you can only use post year 1) because you have more scales furnaces dotted across the land (and reasons I mentioned earlier) 7 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: You can make merms fight each other like spiders. They respawn in half a day, it is really fast. Pigs respawn in 5 days and often need full moons, honey is great but does not work well for healing by itself without extra ingrediants. This creates unnecessary surplus, and seems to be way more input needed compared to the other methods i mentioned Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuteC Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 I am not a Wurt player but I can point out things I've seen: 1- Sunfish is very good but don't go dying or everything burns, just stack a lot in a fishing bin and then wrap some for yourself, still useful even at endgame. 2- Ice breem lasts about 14 seconds so you probably will not use that. 3- She doesn't eat anything for like 3 years if a king is alive. 4- Why use any kind of strat with dragonfly and bee queen if you can simply summon a billion merms with like 5 bananas. 5- Why would you ever use followers with Klaus? Granted merms MAY still do the fight, but they are very likely not to. 6- Look yet another reason why Woodie sucks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 16, 2023 Author Share Posted November 16, 2023 Let's just conclude this. It wont end up going anywhere, it wont help anything and it wont bring anything good but only bring bad. It will just be a constant back and fourth and no matter what, nobody would be happy. We can agree on one thing, it would be pretty great if Wurt became better. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Wurt is the best character to be in the latest of late games. Better than Wanda. I prefer the late game 100% seasonal immunity that fish provide over Wanda's rift network. Craftsmen merm hut are insanely cheap so even if you take ages getting access to merm king, a merm army is always very useful for fights, chopping and mining. Wurt herself has really big stats with the merm king so she is s-tier at tanking + she is the best at farming marble for more marble suits. Her tanking almost rivals wigfrid with vastly increased dps because of her merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lggy Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Is there a lore reason why he made the greatest L take of all time? Is he stupid? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenship2 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 wurt needs something unique early game tbh, i think the person was judging them from a more objective, boss rush perspective i think she's fine late game because she acts as a more convenient jack of all trades, master of none character Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Wurt herself has really big stats with the merm king so she is s-tier at tanking max. hunger and hp don't affect anything because refilling them is practically instant and their current value affects nothing as long as hunger is above zero and hp is above the amount of damage the enemy deals per a single attack 9 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Wurt is the best at farming marble for more marble suits why would you use marble armor if you're supposed to use minions or have bone armors/rift armor by the time you run out of marble gathered from the world 12 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, lenship2 said: i think she's fine late game because she acts as a more convenient jack of all trades, master of none character What’s the point of being a “jack of all trades” character late game when you can use celestial portal and become a character who specializes in the thing at hand. 18 minutes ago, grm9 said: max. hunger and hp don't affect anything because refilling them is practically instant and their current value affects nothing as long as hunger is above zero and hp is above the amount of damage the enemy deals per a single attack This, I can’t not stress how useless more stats are Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dextops said: What’s the point of being a “jack of all trades” character late game when you can use celestial portal and become a character who specializes in the thing at hand. This, I can’t not stress how useless more stats are Ok but do you agree that Wurt stinky? Scholars would like to know Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, HowlVoid said: Ok but do you agree that Wurt stinky? Scholars would like to know Wurt stinky, cause Klei decided to make a character with similar niches executed in a similar style to another character that existed way before it that outclasses wurt Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Harry Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Im going to just say the following, I don't like wurt nor webber since they tent to lag games even on high end hardware, that and I hate spiders and trouts 1 minute ago, El Harry said: Im going to just say the following, I don't like wurt nor webber since they tent to lag games even on high end hardware, that and I hate spiders and trouts Also on the topic of lag the game isn't really optimized for follower type characters where you need to have like 20+ at all times I've even seen servers crash due to the ammount of stress webber/wurt players put on the server just by the sheer ammount of mobs. TLDR I won't like webber or wurt until the game is better optimized for them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Koopa Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, El Harry said: Im going to just say the following, I don't like wurt nor webber since they tent to lag games even on high end hardware, that and I hate spiders and trouts Also on the topic of lag the game isn't really optimized for follower type characters where you need to have like 20+ at all times I've even seen servers crash due to the ammount of stress webber/wurt players put on the server just by the sheer ammount of mobs. TLDR I won't like webber or wurt until the game is better optimized for them. Merms don't cause anywhere near the level of lag that spiders do. Hell, merms are more lag-friendly than chests are. I'm not exactly sure why this is, but if I had to guess it might be because Merms don't look for food on the ground when hired. 3 hours ago, lenship2 said: wurt needs something unique early game tbh, i think the person was judging them from a more objective, boss rush perspective i think she's fine late game because she acts as a more convenient jack of all trades, master of none character I strongly disagree on making Wurt better in any substantial way early game, at least not in a way that'd make her the best at something. I think it's important that her strength lie in the late game, because justifying the level of power people evidently want her to have would be impossible if she had a good early game as well. She also needs to leave a niche open for chars like Webber, who isn't realistically ever going to compete with Merms in terms of power due to his very accessible minions. 2 hours ago, Dextops said: This, I can’t not stress how useless more stats are I mean I think plenty of folks get something out of stats, it's just probably not something you care about yourself, whether that be because of your preferred playstyle or you being cautious. Not having to eat as often, being able to use sanity draining items without going insane as easily, and being able to take unarmoured hits in a pinch are all quite nice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenerateFurry Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Wurt isn't extremely good or Wurt-hless. Wurt isn't the best in the early-game since she takes a bunch of setup (same problem Winona has), but she at least does have utility early on since merms are very cheap to recruit in large numbers. If you pick berries and carrots while you're gathering basic resources on day 1, you can just give some to merms and now you can clear a forest as quickly as Maxwell, solving early-game wood problems. Sure, anyone could do the same thing with monster meat, but one berry can recruit multiple merms, and those are also marginally easier to get than monster meat. As for merms in combat, the simple fact about army-builder characters is that this game doesn't like them very much. Bee Queen is a great use case for merms, but they're basically just an expensive upgrade to bunnymen (assuming you're using guard merms with an active king). Aside from her, though, using merms against bosses is generally more hassle than it's worth. Out of the surface bosses, Bee Queen is the only one who's genuinely a good reason to play Wurt if boss rushing is what you're interested in. Many of the others are designed specifically so that players can't just kill them with followers, and some of them are so good at crowd control that your army's gonna do barely anything before it dies. Sure, you get loot when your army gets wiped, but does that really make up for it when you can't even use most of it? You can give the fish to the merm king, but those frog legs are going to rot because you can't eat them. It's no different than if you left your merms at home and just made them kill each other for you. I think Wurt is a low B-tier character at best and C-tier at worst. She's not awful like Walter or Willow, but she's outshined in everything by other characters. Webber's the ultimate army-builder and can quickly and easily bring his spiders between the surface and caves using backpacks and/or chests, and he also gets to de-aggro them at will with his whistle so they don't try to chase Dragonfly behind walls. Maxwell, Woodie, and Wolfgang are all better at combat and gathering than Wurt. WX can get bigger stats than her if those are what you care about. The only boss Wurt's uniquely good at is Bee Queen, and Wendy is infinitely better at that since she just needs to help two pipspooks, get armor and a ham bat, and get some healing food to be able to solo it. Even Wickerbottom's better for it since she can just set up a tentacle farm once and then she doesn't even have to fight Bee Queen at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 6 hours ago, grm9 said: max. hunger and hp don't affect anything because refilling them is practically instant and their current value affects nothing as long as hunger is above zero and hp is above the amount of damage the enemy deals per a single attack why would you use marble armor if you're supposed to use minions or have bone armors/rift armor by the time you run out of marble gathered from the world Man maybe my playstyle is different from most people but for pre rift/pre killing AF. Marble armour is the go to. Farming marble is easy to start doing from first autumn with wurts merms. Max hunger, max sanity and max hp are 100% important. You say you can heal instantly so max hp doesnt matter? It does if you bring zero healing into a fight. Wurt with marble armour and 250hp doesnt need to heal, most bosses will die before you die yourself depending on your skill level. Biggest noob trap in the game is actually wasting time cooking crockpot food for healing. Even as walter 2 football helmets and one marble suit is all i need to kill dfly first autumn without needing any healing and this is me getting hit a good few times too. With wurt im nigh unkillable. Marble armour is seriously underrated. 5 hours ago, Dextops said: This, I can’t not stress how useless more stats are Wurt is one of the best characters for farming bee queen so a big hp works alot better with jellybeans as your primary healing source if you ever need to heal or just want to straight up tank things. You have alot of options as wurt. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retepeter Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 wurt is literally maxwell but without prison and a year of setup time and also can't eat any good dishes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Retepeter said: wurt is literally maxwell but without prison and a year of setup time and also can't eat any good dishes Maxwell is just wurt that needs to resummon his minions every 2secs, constantly needs to farm nightmare fuel and has low hp therefore needs coddled with healing items or sanity foods during boss fights. Big badass 250hp Wurt requires 3 times less healing items or none at all. The second you reach the swamp you can have 10 craftsmerm houses built in a day. Even regular merms are pretty great for combat. The swamp itself is a massive speed boost battle arena for wurt to fight the twins, gestalt bosses and shadow chesspieces. Wurt doesnt need to waste time with a crockpot and can live better off low maintainance kelp. Why on earth would anyone play Maxwell when Wurt can steamroll absolutely everything from trees to bosses with minimum effort? Best of all wurt can give her merms to other characters you swap to so i can be a wolfgang or wanda with a huge merm army to maximize my steamrolleyness. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Gashzer said: Craftsmen merm hut are insanely cheap so even if you take ages getting access to merm king, a merm army is always very useful for fights, chopping and mining Craftsmerms are underrated. You can spam them really fast since reeds are the only thing you will struggle with. 2 hours ago, Gashzer said: Wurt is one of the best characters for farming bee queen so a big hp works alot better with jellybeans as your primary healing source if you ever need to heal or just want to straight up tank things. You have alot of options as wurt. You do make a really good point. Having a larger health pool alows you to more consistently use the entire regeneration effect of jelly beans. Recently when playing Warly who has average health, jelly beans often could overheal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Gashzer said: Man maybe my playstyle is different from most people but for pre rift/pre killing AF. Marble armour is the go to. Farming marble is easy to start doing from first autumn with wurts merms. Max hunger, max sanity and max hp are 100% important. You say you can heal instantly so max hp doesnt matter? It does if you bring zero healing into a fight. Wurt with marble armour and 250hp doesnt need to heal, most bosses will die before you die yourself depending on your skill level. Biggest noob trap in the game is actually wasting time cooking crockpot food for healing. Even as walter 2 football helmets and one marble suit is all i need to kill dfly first autumn without needing any healing and this is me getting hit a good few times too. With wurt im nigh unkillable. Marble armour is seriously underrated. Wurt is one of the best characters for farming bee queen so a big hp works alot better with jellybeans as your primary healing source if you ever need to heal or just want to straight up tank things. You have alot of options as wurt. do you not feel embarrassed for not understanding the basics of "if a meter never refills on it's own and can be refilled anytime you'll have to use the same amount of healing that a character with lower max. for that meter will use through your lifetime" 31 minutes ago, Gashzer said: Maxwell is just wurt that needs to resummon his minions every 2secs, constantly needs to farm nightmare fuel and has low hp therefore needs coddled with healing items or sanity foods during boss fights. Big badass 250hp Wurt requires 3 times less healing items or none at all. The second you reach the swamp you can have 10 craftsmerm houses built in a day. Even regular merms are pretty great for combat. The swamp itself is a massive speed boost battle arena for wurt to fight the twins, gestalt bosses and shadow chesspieces. Wurt doesnt need to waste time with a crockpot and can live better off low maintainance kelp. Why on earth would anyone play Maxwell when Wurt can steamroll absolutely everything from trees to bosses with minimum effort? Best of all wurt can give her merms to other characters you swap to so i can be a wolfgang or wanda with a huge merm army to maximize my steamrolleyness. merms can't pick up, dig, harvest and they can't be summoned without multiple days of setup for every shard you want to set them up in and one nightmare fuel is 5 clones, while 4 boards 3 reeds 2 fish is one stationary merm that you can't just summon anywhere and need to feed for it to follow and wurt doesn't have portable 11 items storage nor no sanity drain from dreadstone helm nor a way to prevent enemies from moving nor are merms better than bearger or reanimated skeleton after one year or after you kill FW Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Gashzer said: The second you reach the swamp you can have 10 craftsmerm houses built in a day. Even regular merms are pretty great for combat. The swamp itself is a massive speed boost battle arena for wurt to fight the twins, gestalt bosses and shadow chesspieces. I saw someone try to speedrun d fly as Wurt. They got tons of merms from the swamp by day 6... but they died because they did it without walls. Getting the walls would be easy with merms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/152461-clearing-recent-misinformation-wurt/#findComment-1680108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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