Wanda scythe vs clock

[DownloadADuck]

I've been wondering, what is the max dps with Wanda with the void scythe vs her max dps with the alarming clock? My friend had figured out the scythe's dps but we cant find anything relating to the swing speed of the alarming clock (since its slower but we don't know how slow)

[NNOUS]

It need the damage multiplyer based on Wanda's age, since the shadows reaper is a shadow aligned weapon.

Its actually need a better buff to Wanda since combat in melee range is more risky for her.

[_zwb]

Alarming clock's attack speed is 15% slower than usual(wiki said so), I think characters attack twice per second using normal weapons, but I could be wrong...

Dark Sword

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Against regular, non alignment mobs:

• Young: deals 68 normal damage;
• Middle age: deals 68*1.2 = 81.6 normal damage;
• Old: deals 68*1.75 = 119 normal damage.

Against planar mobs:

• Young: deals 4*[√ (68*4 + 64) - 8] = 41.32 normal damage;
• Middle age: deals 4*[√ (68*1.2*4 + 64) - 8] = 47.03 normal damage;
• Old:deals 4*[√ (68*1.75*4 + 64) - 8] = 60.95 normal damage.

Alarming Clock

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Against regular, non alignment mobs:

• Young: deals 81.6 normal damage;
• Middle age: deals 81.6*1.2 = 97.92 normal damage;
• Old: deals 81.6*1.75 = 142.8 normal damage.

Against planar mobs:

• Young: deals 4*[√ (81.6*4 + 64) - 8] = 47.03 normal damage;
• Middle age: deals 4*[√ (97.92*4 + 64) - 8] = 53.39 normal damage;
• Old:deals 4*[√ (142.8*4 + 64) - 8] = 68.81 normal damage.

Shadow reaper(no armour bonus)

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Against regular, non alignment mobs:

• Young: deals 38 normal damage + 18 planar damage = 56 damage;
• Middle age: deals 38*1.2 normal damage + 18 planar damage = 63.6 damage;
• Old: deals 38*1.75 normal damage + 18 planar damage = 84.5 damage;

Against lunar aligned mobs(10% more normal damage):

• Young: deals 4*[√ (38*4 + 64) - 8] *(1+10%) normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 47.47 damage;
• Middle age: deals 4*[√ (38*1.2*4 + 64) - 8] *(1+10%) normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 51.87 damage;
• Old: deals 4*[√ (38*1.75*4 + 64) - 8] *(1+10%) normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 62.73 damage;

Against shadow aligned mobs:

• Young: deals 4*[√ (38*4 + 64) - 8] normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 44.79 damage;
• Middle age: deals 4*[√ (38*1.2*4 + 64) - 8] normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 48.79 damage;
• Old: deals 4*[√ (38*1.75*4 + 64) - 8] normal damage + 18 planar damage  = 58.66 damage;

 

All final results are rounded to 2 decimal places

 

[NNOUS]

11 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Alarming clock's attack speed is 15% slower than usual(wiki said so)

Old Wanda with void armour set can deal 96.15 damage per hit(at max) (41.8*1.75 normal damage + 23 planar damage)

So her dps would be 192.3...which is lower than a dark sword dps(68*1.75*2 = 238 normal damage, no armour requirements)

I think characters attack twice per second using normal weapons, but I could be wrong...

I can already see the planar damage multiplyer within the Wanda skillsets update

[_zwb]

1 hour ago, NNOUS said:

I can already see the planar damage multiplyer within the Wanda skillsets update

All I want is high planar damage resistance and high normal damage resistance within the same armour(at least 90%, 80% is too low)

[NNOUS]

Have u been enjoying been one shoted by a causal vine slap mate?

Joke aside yeah combined armor set could use a higher planar defence for wanda. thats is very much possible with wanda skillsets.

as well as planar damage scaling for wanda.

 

 

[lenship2]

7 hours ago, _zwb said:

Alarming clock's attack speed is 15% slower than usual(wiki said so), I think characters attack twice per second using normal weapons, but I could be wrong...

If you fight regular mobs as Wanda:

• For young Wanda it's the same as Wilson, using shadow reaper deals 41.8+23 = 64.8(at max); A dark sword deals 68; Alarming clock deals 81.6, equivalent to 70.96 per hit for a normal weapon;
• For middle age Wanda, using shadow reaper deals 41.8*1.2 + 23 = 73.16(at max); A dark sword deals 68*1.2 =81.6; Alarming clock deals 81.6*1.2 = 97.92, equivalent to 85.15 per hit for a normal weapon;
• For old Wanda, using the shadow reaper deals 41.8*1.75 + 23 = 96.15(at max); Dark sword deals 68*1.75 = 119; Alarming clock deals 81.6*1.75 = 142.8, equivalent to 124.17 per hit for a normal weapon.

The planar gears are not worth using against regular mobs.

If you fight planar mobs as Wanda:

• For young Wanda it's the same as Wilson, using shadow reaper deals 8*[√ (41.8 + 16) - 4] + 23 = 51.82(at max); A dark sword deals 8*[√ (68 + 16) - 4] =41.32; Alarming clock deals 8*[√ (81.6 + 16) - 4] = 47.03, equivalent to 40.90 per hit for a normal weapon;
• For middle age Wanda, using shadow reaper deals 8*[√ (41.8*1.2 + 16) - 4] + 23 = 56.07(at max); A dark sword deals 8*[√ (68*1.2 + 16) - 4] =47.03; Alarming clock deals 8*[√ ( 97.92 + 16) - 4] = 53.39, equivalent to 46.42 per hit for a normal weapon;
• For old Wanda, using the shadow reaper deals 8*[√ (41.8*1.75 + 16) - 4] + 23 = 66.54(at max); Dark sword deals 8*[√ (68*1.75 + 16) - 4] = 60.95; Alarming clock deals 8*[√ (142.8 + 16) - 4] = 68.81, equivalent to 59.84 per hit for a normal weapon.

Shadow reaper is not worth the effort if you stay as old Wanda, useful if you stay middle aged, very good as young Wanda(or any other 1.0x damage character)

Note that shadow reaper deals more damage against lunar aligned mobs, so the actual damage would be higher if you fight deadly brightshades instead of ink blights. All final results are rounded to 2 decimal places

so the math does check out to be correct, but the numbers in game when i tested say otherwise:

old wanda, with max void gear and shadow reaper does a max of 90 damage against planar enemies (98 on lunar mobs):

and she also does a max of 132 damage against non planar lunar enemies when i tested against celestial champion, so hypothetically she could have a higher dps in the niche scenario if the alarming clock only does an effective 124.17 damage (albeit with less safety precautions)

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here's every number i managed to find during my testing:

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old wanda first hit: 100
old wanda after attacking 5 times: 120
old wanda first hit on planar enemy: 75
old wanda after attacking planar enemy 5 times: 90 damage
old wanda without the armour set: 84
old wanda without the armour set attacking a planar enemy: 60 damage
middle age wanda first hit: 77
middle age wanda after attacking 5 times: 97
middle age wanda first hit on planar enemy: 65
middle age wanda after attacking planar enemy five times: 82
middle age wanda without the armour set: 63
middle age wanda without the armour set attacking planar enemy: 50
young wanda first hit: 68
young wanda after hitting 5 times: 88
young wanda first hit on planar enemy: 55
young wanda after attacking a planar enemy 5 times: 75
young wanda without the armour: 56
young wanda without the armour attacking a planar enemy: 46
old wanda with alarming clock: 142
old wanda with alarming clock fighting a planar enemy: 68
middle age wanda with alarming clock: 97
middle age wanda with alarming clock fighting a planar enemy: 53
young wanda with alarming clock: 81
young wanda with alarming clock fighting a planar enemy: 47
 

 

[_zwb]

17 minutes ago, lenship2 said:

so the math does check out to be correct, but the numbers in game when i tested say otherwise:

Ah I've made a mistake, I'll fix that later

[lenship2]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hrUfaAqKAL-F-VMD3JhwALD4MSVn13dbAESwnalV4jE/edit?usp=sharing

[Jakepeng99]

Wanda's skill tree should make the scyth stronger than her normal weapon i think.

[lenship2]

7 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Wanda's skill tree should make the scyth stronger than her normal weapon i think.

+30 shadow planar damage while old would work rlly well for that

itd boost the scythe past the 100 damage threshold in nearly all situations and make the reaper a near objective upgrade to alarming clock in terms of raw damage

[Well-met]

alarming clock is truly the strongest weapon in the game

[Jakepeng99]

4 hours ago, lenship2 said:

+30 shadow planar damage while old would work rlly well for that

itd boost the scythe past the 100 damage threshold in nearly all situations and make the reaper a near objective upgrade to alarming clock in terms of raw damage

I always wanted the alarming clock to be the safer way of getting damage, and the shadow melee weapons to be the more dangerous way of getting damage. It would be nice to use them according to the situation or playstyle.

[00petar00]

13 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Wanda's skill tree should make the scyth stronger than her normal weapon i think.

Wanda's strongest weapon should be alarming clock. It is too unique and interesting for it to be replaced by a weapon anyone can use.

I like the sound of it when a hit lands and range makes almost every fight different from melee weapons.

Upgradable alarming clock to lunar and shadow variant would be perfect.