Iffy about the recent hotfix

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

There was never a choice when you have a hand slot item that can be completely replaced by body or head slot, most of the players will keep hand slot free.

Changing how rain works wasn't really a good thing to begin with because most players go to caves during autumn or summer, we don't have enough equipment slots and are already dealing with the cave sanity drain and always need light.

Cave basing and exploration should be encouraged and shouldn't inconvenience the player even more. There is a reason caves aren't getting any content updates besides this one that was required.

I disagree since I like having extra slots, and there’s also an argument to use both since you can use an umbralla until you get into a fight where you can switch into your raincoat and a weapon to fight. This allows for useage for both without making each other entirely useless. There’s also adding specific mechanics to both so that there is more incentive to use them. Also by the time you kill fw what exactly in the caves are you exploring?

[Mysterious box]

Just now, Ryusuta said:

A much more appropriate comparison are wildfires in summer, because they are random forces of destruction that are basically completely luck-based in proximity to you. Winter cold is much more steady, predictable, doesn't destroy your things, and most importantly, is NOT luck-based to any significant degree.

I don't really see the difference if the end result is it doesn't look good and remove the mechanics function though. What's the difference between hiding cold away, hiding boulders away, or hiding wildfires away would wildfires and boulders not being based on luck but a foregone conclusion suddenly make them better to you?

[Ryusuta]

8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I don't really see the difference if the end result is it doesn't look good and remove the mechanics function though. What's the difference between hiding cold away, hiding boulders away, or hiding wildfires away would wildfires and boulders not being based on luck but a foregone conclusion suddenly make them better to you?

I'm not talking about it not looking good. I'm talking about it destroying bases. That was the only thing I was concerned about.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Ryusuta said:

I'm not talking about it not looking good. I'm talking about it destroying bases. That was the only thing I was concerned about.

Break it down further for me then are you against the idea of things being able to destroy your base even with counter play?

[Ryusuta]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

Break it down further for me then are you against the idea of things being able to destroy your base even with counter play?

if it happens as randomly and quickly as the boulders used to (and indeed wildfires currently do if not disabled), then yes I am. I know this probably sounds crazy, but I'm not all that excited about playing Russian Roulette with my base. And safety measures like the ones for wildfires are effectively just still pulling the trigger and hoping the gun jams because of the wad of paper you stuck in the barrel.

[Mysterious box]

Just now, Ryusuta said:

if it happens as randomly and quickly as the boulders used to

The key part being no one wanted it to happen as quickly as it did and even wanted some additional counter play.

1 minute ago, Ryusuta said:

(and indeed wildfires currently do if not disabled)

Personally I feel like Wild fires should have been changed to happen closer to the player to prevent it from happening off screen while also making our character tell us something is about to burn.

 

2 minutes ago, Ryusuta said:

And safety measures like the ones for wildfires are effectively just still pulling the trigger and hoping the gun jams because of the wad of paper you stuck in the barrel.

Can't really say much on this end I like to have a solution to a problem but unless it's replaced with something new I don't want it to be solved permanently passively as I don't feel it's engaging enough but I feel that that stems from us wanting different things at our cores.

[Ryusuta]

19 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Can't really say much on this end I like to have a solution to a problem but unless it's replaced with something new I don't want it to be solved permanently passively as I don't feel it's engaging enough but I feel that that stems from us wanting different things at our cores.

That's fair. I respect that.

You're definitely right that different people want different things from the experience and there's no "perfect" solution for it all.

[Gashzer]

13 hours ago, Well-met said:

"The people on these forums" is the reason why klei nerfs things, you do realize?

No one is actually asking for nerfs tho they asking for different interesting solutions to the problem.

For boulders, people want some sort of pillar defend for bases. It could create a canopy like effect that the big trees have to tell you where is safe from boulders and where isnt. But no no, klei just wants boulders to magically not drop on bases now? There is no ingame logic for this. Like remove the boulders from dropping if you cant implement it in a fun or interesting way.

Umbralla could have been fine as the only way to combat acid rain, if they gave it the ability to be deployed to protect an area or some other function. Thats abit more interesting than making yet another headslot item to combat weather effects.

The second klei gets a wee bit of backlash, they freak out and go straight to boring easy "solutions" to peoples complaints. But they dont actually fix the problem, they just side line it as Mysterious box has said.

 

[Antynomity]

With the acid rain changes, I'm just hoping for an umbralla buff like a few of the suggestions from the bast, being able to place it on the ground for it to do it's job and for it to protect you from all things that can fall on your head, it'd be a pretty niche item but would have enough chances of really shining in some places in-game.