DST Forever or something, I'd Pay $70, give Kidney. LFG?

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, Maxposting said:

And you want to keep crossplay with old gen consoles how exactly?

Seems like you're literally dividing people and friends because they can't afford and/or don't endlessly thneed an upgraded copy of a console.

This would result in a way lower playercount and even less of an incentive to create a "next gen Don't Starve Together game".

As Klei devs had said before the last Gen players would only need join your world as a client to enjoy the next Gen enhancements.

As an example: I can invite my buddy who still only has an Xbox One to play the Series X/S version of Battlefield 2042 and as long as I’m the HOST he gets to enjoy larger maps, prettier graphics, and a staggeringly higher player count.

This is exactly what “Next Gen” DS would do for last Gen players.

And another thing I should add is that over in the Console Realm of the gaming world, They actually DO Re-Release games with just prettier graphics and sell them at full price, and if you didn’t think that was Scummy enough- sometimes they even De-List the last Gen versions from being purchasable so your forced to rebuy a game you already owned to continue enjoying playing it.

PC players mostly get free updates/upgrades but

Unfortunately this has been the NORM for Xbox/PlayStation gamers, but forget all of that.. and let’s focus on what’s most important- 

“What would make YOU buy a Next Gen Remaster of DST at 70$?” 
 

DS+SW+HAM+DST+All the current DST skins & DLC characters all backwards compatible (I can play DSTs Wurt in Hamlet using skins I own from DST for the fun of it for example) these would all entice me to drop 70$ on the game again.

[gamehun20]

7 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

"What would make YOU buy a Next Gen Remaster of DST at 70$?” 

Why would i buy a game again that i already own also mushing all of everything every dlc into a brand new game would be quite a big undertaking don't you think? That time of redoing everything and placing it in a new package could be used elsewhere like developing the current version of dst to bring new things to everyone who was nice enough to pay for the game in the first place

[goodguythatguy]

 

9 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

And you want to keep crossplay with old gen consoles how exactly?

Seems like you're literally dividing people and friends because they can't afford and/or don't endlessly thneed an upgraded copy of a console.

This would result in a way lower playercount and even less of an incentive to create a "next gen Don't Starve Together game".

Dividing the player base is probably one of the more important things to consider. I imagine that would be a nightmare for DST. That's probably why I'm reluctant to think "DST 2" is a better idea than releasing expansion DLC for DST. 
This kind of reminds me of what happened to Everquest. They were releasing expansions every year or two, I always bought the expansions, but then they decided to make Everquest 2 and I was like "I ain't leaving Everquest 1, this stupid Tunic took me 8000 hours to get!". Anyway, we all know what happened to Everquest, and then they pulled a Everquest:Next scam in 2015 or so, which never materialized. Kind of off-topic, but relevant. 

10 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most FF games singleplayer? The whole argument sort of falls apart after considering this.

Feel free to dm me and I'll try to explain it further.

You're absolutely correct. I think they're all single-player. I guess my point is that they re-release their old game with new graphics and sell them. I don't know if it's scummy of them to do, maybe. Maybe it's only scummy if the game that's being re-released with updated graphics is an online multiplayer game. 

[Mike23Ua]

18 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

What you're saying makes some sense to me. It's an interesting position because I don't think I ever heard "Playstation 1 is holding back Playstation 2" or "Super Nintendo is holding back Nintendo 64".
I don't know at what point Last Gen consoles started holding back Next Gen consoles, or if they really are holding back Next Gen Consoles, but it's still an interesting concept to consider. 

This is .. I don’t even.. I don’t know how to respond to this in a polite way but I’ll try my best, this makes my brain hurt trying to comprehend.. but the PS1 & the Ps2 & SNES & N64 did not have online feature capabilities (ps2 did but it was in such early stages of existing that developers didn’t utilize it to the extent of games today..)

We live in an age of gaming where games are for the most part always online, they get frequent updates rather thats brand new content, or patches and bug fixes- developers can release games as a broken highly unstable mess then 60 days later release the patch that actually makes it playable- THATS the kind of world we’re living in today.

So to put that into Context for you- Mario Kart 64 (N64) wasn’t being held back by the technical limitations of Mario Kart (SNES) by the way yes there was a SNES Mario kart game but the N64 version didn’t have to be held back by the SNES version because unlike todays games- these were released as two completely different games, with completely different features that utilized the platforms they were on to the best of those platforms capabilities.
 

With DST BECAUSE it’s getting updates and patches, and Klei hasn’t moved on to the new generation of gaming platforms, People who want to play Mario Kart 64 are STUCK playing Mario Kart SNES.

Hopefully now… you understand.  

[goodguythatguy]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

This is .. I don’t even.. I don’t know how to respond to this in a polite way but I’ll try my best, this makes my brain hurt trying to comprehend.. but the PS1 & the Ps2 & SNES & N64 did not have online feature capabilities (ps2 did but it was in such early stages of existing that developers didn’t utilize it to the extent of games today..)

We live in an age of gaming where games are for the most part always online, they get frequent updates rather thats brand new content, or patches and bug fixes- developers can release games as a broken highly unstable mess then 60 days later release the patch that actually makes it playable- THATS the kind of world we’re living in today.

So a to put that into Context for you- Mario Kart 64 (N64) wasn’t being held back by the technical limitations of Mario Kart (SNES) by the way yes there was a SNES Mario kart game but the N64 version didn’t have to be held back by the SNES version because unlike todays games- these were released as two completely different games, with completely different features that utilized the platforms they were on to the best of those platforms capabilities.
 

With DST BECAUSE it’s getting updates and patches, and Klei hasn’t moved on to the new generation of gaming platforms, People who want to play Mario Kart 64 are STUCK playing Mario Kart SNES.

Hopefully now… you understand.  

I gotcha, so the answer to my ignorance is that Last Gen Consoles started holding back Next Gen Consoles when consoles added Online Multiplayer. I think I understand. 

[Maxposting]

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

As an example: I can invite my buddy who still only has an Xbox One to play the Series X/S version of Battlefield 2042 and as long as I’m the HOST he gets to enjoy larger maps, prettier graphics, and a staggeringly higher player count

And you support this?

You claim old gen consoles hold DST back, and yet you want them to... have features of the "next gen"-only exclusive version?

Do you see the absolute nightmare you're proposing, or are you stuck in a consumerist day dream?

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, Maxposting said:

And you support this?

You claim old gen consoles hold DST back, and yet you want them to... have features of the "next gen"-only exclusive version?

Do you see the absolute nightmare you're proposing, or are you stuck in a consumerist day-dream?

Actually in my opinion, because I own a Series S and most my friends do not.. I for one am very grateful that as long as I am hosting the game from my Series S my last Gen friends can still join in and enjoy next Gen features, not only does this still allow me to play with them without having to go out of my way and buy them a brand new console, but it also gives them a “taste” of what they can enjoy if they do invest in the new console.

and aside from wanting next Gen DS to still allow me to play with my last Gen friends, it’s irrelevant to the topic.

[Maxposting]

11 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

 I don't know if it's scummy of them to do, maybe. Maybe it's only scummy if the game that's being re-released with updated graphics is an online multiplayer game. 

I see it as scummy, but there is nuance to this.

Really old games that were actually limited by old consoles being re-released on new consoles with better graphics and features? Sure.

"Re-releasing" a game on the same console for pure monetary and greedy incentives? Not a fan. Developers could just update the bloody original.

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

-snip-

Do you understand what I am trying to say?

How do you want to have "better and next gen exclusive" graphics and features when you *literally* show them on previous consoles?

You claim DST is limited on older gen, and yet you want next gen features on the very same generation?

[Mike23Ua]

18 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

Why would i buy a game again that i already own?

PC gamers are either very very VERY lucky, or very entitled.. but either way I have bought GTA V on Xbox 360, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S

That’s literally 10 years of buying the exact same game over and over again. Now admit-ably there is a handful of cool differences such as the differences between 360 vs One are staggering.. but for the most part: same game, same story, prettier graphics.

Ive done the same for Batman Arkham Asylum, Batman Arkham City, Borderlands 1 & 2, Resident Evil 5 bought on 360 then bought again remastered on Xbox One.

This is just the life of gaming on Xbox/PlayStation. Sometimes it sucks and it’s just a minor graphical upgrade- other times the differences can be quite massive.

For example the Xbox one version of Battlefield has smaller maps and only supports 64 players, the Series X/S version has slightly bigger maps and 124 players. That is double the amount of players- and the results are larger scale battles, more chaos etc..

I would gladly pay Klei 70$ for a Next Gen DS/DST- but it would have to be more then just prettier graphics.

[goodguythatguy]

6 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

I see it as scummy, but there is nuance to this.

Really old games that were actually limited by old consoles being re-released on new consoles with better graphics and features? Sure.

"Re-releasing" a game on the same console for pure monetary and greedy incentives? Not a fan. Developers could just update the bloody original.

 

When I initially posted this thread I was only taking into consideration DST for PC. Now that Console versions have been added to the conversation, I can see the topic is more complex and challenging than I originally realized. 

Can we just like...make consoles go extinct and get everyone to game on PC? I'm surprised people still buy Consoles in current year. 

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

When I initially posted this thread I was only taking into consideration DST for PC. Now that Console versions have been added to the conversation, I can see the topic is more complex and challenging than I originally realized. 

Can we just like...make consoles go extinct and get everyone to game on PC? I'm surprised people still buy Consoles in current year. 

 Well, unfortunately we HAVE to have these conversations, because as long as DST is still getting updates… Klei has to keep in mind the less capable PCs and consoles. At the lowest end of the spectrum is the Nintendo Switch which has only 4 player maximum player count due to the platforms limitations.

HOWEVER (and as I’ve been trying to prove this entire thread..) if someone playing on Switch was able to join say a PC hosted Klei Official Server with 8 or more players, they could join that world as a Client & enjoy the higher player counts and larger worlds.

Now with that said: there’s still one serious issue we have to discuss, what all can Klei continue to add into DST as we continue to get updates.. that won’t completely “break” less capable platforms like NSwitch?

Thats the conversation I want to have..

[goodguythatguy]

Maybe I just need to send Klei $70 donation for the years of regular updates and convince myself I just bought 3-4 DST Expansions DLCs. 

[BezKa]

10 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

Can we just like...make consoles go extinct and get everyone to game on PC? I'm surprised people still buy Consoles in current year. 

I have to physically stop myself from saying this every single day because otherwise I'd be a literal NPC at work. There really aren't many arguments for still getting consoles that aren't portable, and no convincing ones.

As for your question... Skins really are your best bet. Even if you never use them, they don't really get in the way of your game, and can be easily ignored. You can buy skin packs for your friends. Someone on the forums once started a thread where they just bought skin packs and the game for other people as a gift, which not only supports developslers but also makes other people happy.

The skins literally exist so we can get free updates.

[goodguythatguy]

36 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

 Well, unfortunately we HAVE to have these conversations, because as long as DST is still getting updates… Klei has to keep in mind the less capable PCs and consoles. At the lowest end of the spectrum is the Nintendo Switch which has only 4 player maximum player count due to the platforms limitations.

HOWEVER (and as I’ve been trying to prove this entire thread..) if someone playing on Switch was able to join say a PC hosted Klei Official Server with 8 or more players, they could join that world as a Client & enjoy the higher player counts and larger worlds.

Now with that said: there’s still one serious issue we have to discuss, what all can Klei continue to add into DST as we continue to get updates.. that won’t completely “break” less capable platforms like NSwitch?

Thats the conversation I want to have..

I know you're talking about all consoles, but Nintendo has always been a compatibility nightmare more so than other Consoles. I think they try to go out of their way to do this, it's almost part of their business model. There's probably a long list of games that were released on PC, XBox and Playstation, but NOT Nintendo. 
These Nintendo dudes always try to add some wacky nonsense that makes them "stand out" amongst competitors. Motion Controllers, Tiny Gamecube Discs instead of regular CDs, whatever that stupid R.O.B. robot for NES. Nintendo backwards compatibility has always been non existent too, if I'm not mistaken. 
Nintendo definitely not making it easy.

29 minutes ago, BezKa said:

I have to physically stop myself from saying this every single day because otherwise I'd be a literal NPC at work. There really aren't many arguments for still getting consoles that aren't portable, and no convincing ones.

As for your question... Skins really are your best bet. Even if you never use them, they don't really get in the way of your game, and can be easily ignored. You can buy skin packs for your friends. Someone on the forums once started a thread where they just bought skin packs and the game for other people as a gift, which not only supports developslers but also makes other people happy.

The skins literally exist so we can get free updates.

Yeah, especially when taking into consideration that people can spend as much as $1000 for a Console. I be thinking "Build a Mini-ITX PC, it's almost the same size!"". But, i guess now we're getting into the topic of Convenience/Ease-Of-Use Vs. Capability/Versatility. 

You have a point, maybe my best bet is to buy $70 of DST Skins. OR, you're trying to trick me into buying you a Skin Pack gift. Sneaky!

[ALCRD]

31 minutes ago, BezKa said:

The skins literally exist so we can get free updates.

Wrong.

Skins exist so we can make our characters and bases look extra fancy pretty.

[BezKa]

50 minutes ago, goodguythatguy said:

OR, you're trying to trick me into buying you a Skin Pack gift. Sneaky!

Tough luck, I already have them all Unless you buy me guess of honor Wilson from the steam market xD

[goodguythatguy]

Since we're on the topic of DST for Consoles, I'm not even sure if the game belongs on a Console.
I play DST on PC with a Controller. The only thing that makes the Gameplay bearable and keeps me playing DST is the fact that I can use several Controller Improvement Mods , and Steams Built-In Controller Customization Support with 'Action Sets'. 
Even with all that Controller Improvement, it's still very difficult to control. Just targeting the right Mob is a challenge. There's no "Tab Targetting". Attacking something always has some weird latency delay when playing on a Controller. 
I think most people probably play DST on M+K, so there might be few people that can relate. Maybe DST is like a MOBA or a FPS, if you're gonna play with a Controller, you're not gonna have a good time, m'kay. 

[Maxposting]

1 hour ago, goodguythatguy said:

When I initially posted this thread I was only taking into consideration DST for PC. Now that Console versions have been added to the conversation, I can see the topic is more complex and challenging than I originally realized. 

DST still doesn't support crossplay between different platforms, in my opinion (do not take this as fact) due to parity differences and bureaucracy.

Even making a new "very cool and hyper-polished" version with exclusive and unique features solely on computers would still split the playerbase, catering to people who could keep up and purchase newer parts which would handle the game.
It would also require upkeeping two different versions of the game, assuming consoles are completely out of the equation (which they are not), unless Klei would leave behind a version of the game, alienating people from newer content that could run on the given version.

[goodguythatguy]

46 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

DST still doesn't support crossplay between different platforms, in my opinion (do not take this as fact) due to parity differences and bureaucracy.

Even making a new "very cool and hyper-polished" version with exclusive and unique features solely on computers would still split the playerbase, catering to people who could keep up and purchase newer parts which would handle the game.
It would also require upkeeping two different versions of the game, assuming consoles are completely out of the equation (which they are not), unless Klei would leave behind a version of the game, alienating people from newer content that could run on the given version.

It took long enough for the word "bureaucracy" to enter the conversation. I imagine we can all go on a long rant about that topic.

Yeah, I think that's why I'm hesitant to believe DST2 is automatically the answer. It sounds like a simple "way forward", but simple isn't always the most beneficial.
I suppose it's possible to create a DST2 that all DST Players can't resist, must buy and will ditch DST for, making it easier to shut down maintenance on DST and move it all to DST2. But, that's probably super risky, DST2 would have to be irresistible. Also, it would suck to ditch the years of work that have gone into DST. 

Maybe current owners of DST can get a discount when buying DST2, incentivizing them to ditch DST for DST2.
There will always be the option to play DST offline...I think. So that's kinda nice. I don't like most people that play DST anyways, bunch of grievers
Plus, if DST2 is able to appeal to a larger audience of people that never played DST before, it could be worth it. Even if no DST players switch to DST2, but DST2 captures a new large audience, then Klei just has 2 DSTs with large audiences that are somehow profitable to maintain. 

Maybe this is why Klei is releasing games that are not like DST at all. A DST2 won't be able to capture a bigger audience. If people don't buy DST, they aren't gonna be buying a DST2, regardless of how many improvements are added. Therefore it makes sense to dabble in other styles/genres of games.

This is more complicated than the damned Bitcoin Blockwars of 2017. We might end up with a Hard Fork. 

[Mike23Ua]

The only Fork is me wanting to fork over 70$ cash to Klei for a bigger better game rather that’s DS 2, or DST Next Gen Enhanced Bonus Features +, I don’t care so long as it feels like it worth investing 70$ into.

Thats it really, end of entire discussion.

[goodguythatguy]

To be fair, no Open World Survivalcraft type games are offering something I want to throw money at. Most of them aren't even released, they're doing Infinite Years Early Access scams or something. 

Back in my day, people used to buy games when they were finished being produced. These days, the kids buy the game before it's even been assembled. 

One of my biggest "concerns", is that some big money whale game company will take the DST recipe and put a $80 Million budget on building their own version and leave Klei in the dust. Like if Final Fantasy decided to make an Open World Survivalcraft game and out-DST Klei. What World Of Warcraft did to Everquest, basically. But, at least then there would be a $80 Million Open World Survival game I could play. 

This is a bit off topic, but there still seems to be a massive hunger for an Everquest 1 type game, even though there are so many MMORPG options to choose from. The hunger is so massive, there was a nice Everquest:Next scam in 2015, and now there's been a game project called "Pantheon: Rise Of The Fallen" that claims to be building an Everquest 1 type game, but they produce nothing and have been collecting donations for 8 years. Mega grifty scam. It's as if the money is there to support the existence of such a game, but no game developers are willing to actually deliver the product. They can just sell empty promises. 

I guess my point is, I don't want to see DST get left in the dust. One of the things that enabled World of Warcraft to knock Everquest out of the competition was they "dumbed it down", simplified the controls, and simplified the User Interface to appeal to the masses.
When doing a Quest in Everquest, it seriously required Wiki Research just like DST, but the masses don't like doing Wiki Research.
They made World Of Warcraft "Cartoony", but DST already has that aspect of the game on lock down. It's super cartoony. 
Also, World Of Warcraft allowed Add-Ons/Mods, which Everuqest didn't offer, and DST already has Mods and the Workshop, so that's freaking awesome. 
 

[Maxposting]

35 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

The only Fork is me wanting to fork over 70$ cash to Klei for a bigger better game rather that’s DS 2, or DST Next Gen Enhanced Bonus Features +, I don’t care so long as it feels like it worth investing 70$ into.

Thats it really, end of entire discussion.

Would others fork that much into a DST 2 though?

[Mike23Ua]

36 minutes ago, Maxposting said:

Would others fork that much into a DST 2 though?

That’s debate-able and speaking as someone who has done most my gaming on console platforms with very little gaming time on Pc (my Pc days were back with Baldurs gate and Baldurs gate 2 to give you an estimated time frame of the last time I gamed on PC) I’ve bought every single console platform released across Sony/Xbox/Nintendo- well I use to anyway when I had money to just waste. Why is any of that relevant to your question? Well.. my father was a huge WWE game fanatic so any console that had a wwe game coming out he bought.

For me as a kid this let me get familiar with every gaming console Sony/Nintendo/Xbox- what types of games & exclusives each platform offered Etc.. 

To put that into DS terms it would be like if hamlet was a PlayStation Exclusive, Shipwrecked was an Xbox Exclusive, DST was a PC Exclusive, and NewHome was a handheld console exclusive.

The TL:DR- I had to own every platform to enjoy every possible offering of the media I wanted to consume, kinda like what the world has TODAY with the 15,000 movie streaming services.

It ultimately boils down to the Value of your Dollar, and if you think what is being offered is what the price Klei wants to charge for it.

For example- DSTs DLC characters translate to roughly 5$ per character so IF they could not be earned or Woven for Free that is Already 20$ in DLC characters ALONE.

How much one is willing to pay is subjective to what they feel the value for their dollar is.

I gameshare with my fathers Xbox account it saves us money on needing to buy multiple copies of the same game- however even though I bought DS/DST on his console and enjoyed them through Xbox’s File Sharing feature- I bought my own copies the other day during the massive 10 year sale, now TECHNICALLY I Wasted money and got nothing in return.. but, I wanted to show my love and support for Klei 

70$ is standard price for most Xbox Series X/S games, but it isn’t up to Me to decide what the value of that product should be.. that would rely entirely upon Klei & what they feel the game & its content should be worth.

 

[goodguythatguy]

1 hour ago, Maxposting said:

Would others fork that much into a DST 2 though?

If some popular influencer/thought leader/cult leader/parasite promoted it, people probably would drop $70 on it. People will buy any trash Elon Musk promotes, maybe if Klei hired him to star in a DST2 Superbowl commercial everyone would buy it.
Elon can send everyone that buys the game 1 Kleithereum that'll be worth $0 in 5 years, guaranteed.

Who wouldn't like to see a commercial where Elon Musk is dressed like Wes, trying to fight Dragonfly when Hounds Attack?
 

[goodguythatguy]

P.S. 
If it's true that this thread is objectively cancer, or there's no valid, useful, or thoughtful ideas being discussed here, my apologies.
Obviously, moderators don't need my permission to delete my additions to this forum. I'm not going to go somewhere else and cry that I've been unjustly censored if my additions are deleted. I'm not some free speech rights activist. 
I had a thought I felt was worth bringing up as a General Discussion, but it could be cancer or nonsense. I'm not the master of all that is correct and right. I did my best to convey my idea without using too much foul language or belittling innocent participants 

But, if it's true that this thread is not cancer, or nonsense, but instead is actually a interesting, useful and thoughtful conversation, then the very fact that people on the forum have jumped onto it with snarky 1 liner comments, throwing shade at it, leads me to believe that we do not deserve any new games, expansions, or updates. I'm willing to suffer if it means griefers are left with their void. It's probably why I stopped playing DST with other people.