Speedy Wolfgang makes fights more fun

[Mike23Ua]

39 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

We want something closer to the original Wolfgang, this isn't near how he used to play every rework didn't fundamentally change how the character plays they added onto and revamped how they go about their powers Wolfgang is practically the same thing just more tedious and for what real benefit the only noticable change aside from lifting instead of eating is tossing barbells. Not everyone wishes to be a plant.

Besides wasn't the complaint that holding mighty form was just too easy for all his benefits, now he's gotta make his own gym wherever and also carry barbells which are far slower to gain mighty than just eating why is the speed gone as well, people are hating on a character they don't play and wishing for him to be as boring as their main

I believe the Speed is gone to put him on a level playing field with everyone else.. I mean of course with 2x damage it’s hard to say that… but atleast he isn’t easily dodging bosses abilities AND hitting with more damage- His Speed perk could be brought back outside of combat and I’m pretty sure no one would complain- Better yet His Speed Perk could be Repurposed as a Energy Bar EVERYONE can craft & use..

But the problem was never Wolfgang’s Might, it was his Might + Speed + Speed stacking on top of other Speed items for stacked Speed.

Speed Run shouldn’t be a gameplay style I mean I’m sorry it just shouldn’t, Whatever reason Klei opt’d to remove it.. I’m sure they have a reason.

If Wolfgang was Super Speedy outside of Boss Combat but his Myriad of phobias made him feel like his knees are buckling down in sheer terror being around Enemies (like literally feeling frightened stiff minus the stiff part) he would move SLOWER.

Haven’t you guys ever watched Scooby Doo? Scooby and Shaggy are Cowards… sometimes they run fast to flee danger, sometimes they just stand there in sheer terror shaking stiff- There’s multiple types of installing Fear into a coward beyond just “Go Fast”

[Ohan]

I think a lot of people agree more utility perks while mighty like harvesting would be really nice. Id also really love to see potato sacks become storage containers for just potatoes with a very big reduction on spoilage timer. Either as much as saltbox but with more slots or not too many slots but bigger spoilage reduction (i prefer the latter actually). As someone who enjoys farming i can see myself making a lot of use of something like that while playing Wolfgang, (his favorite food being roasted potatoes should be mentioned more as an actual (mini)perk). A slow on dumbbell throws also sounds interesting. 

Ultimately its all in klei’s hands and hopefully theyll be able to satisfy both the people who pick wolf for the straightforward bruteforce playstyle and those who enjoy a little more nuance. Although it does seem like an impossible to resolve contradiction at first glance 

[Cloakingsumo198]

29 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I believe the Speed is gone to put him on a level playing field with everyone else.. I mean of course with 2x damage it’s hard to say that… but atleast he isn’t easily dodging bosses abilities AND hitting with more damage- His Speed perk could be brought back outside of combat and I’m pretty sure no one would complain- Better yet His Speed Perk could be Repurposed as a Energy Bar EVERYONE can craft & use..

But the problem was never Wolfgang’s Might, it was his Might + Speed + Speed stacking on top of other Speed items for stacked Speed.

Speed Run shouldn’t be a gameplay style I mean I’m sorry it just shouldn’t, Whatever reason Klei opt’d to remove it.. I’m sure they have a reason.

If Wolfgang was Super Speedy outside of Boss Combat but his Myriad of phobias made him feel like his knees are buckling down in sheer terror being around Enemies (like literally feeling frightened stiff minus the stiff part) he would move SLOWER.

Haven’t you guys ever watched Scooby Doo? Scooby and Shaggy are Cowards… sometimes they run fast to flee danger, sometimes they just stand there in sheer terror shaking stiff- There’s multiple types of installing Fear into a coward beyond just “Go Fast”

You focus so much on his character but not how he plays how his skills synergies and how his downsides which isn't just his sanity loss but also his WIMPY form it exists for a reason they are meant to be circumvented they also dictate how he interacts with the world.  Wimpy Wolfgang never had any upsides he was always objectively worse and something you wanted to avoid as it made being or getting into combat in general more dangerous he was even slower at running so he couldn't as easily escape those bad situations.  The rework should make him focus on his form and maintaining it so he doesn't reach wimp he should strive to maintain mighty at all times instead of just it being something to turn on situationally. Make it that he is the resource eating machine but if the player plays him right he still comes out on top in terms of saving time and resources.  People aren't saying Wolfgang's speed boost needs to return (they are) but it was part of what made him more enjoyable than others.  He used more but did more, he worked hard to play hard, and he could work up his mighty inside base and out of base food is everywhere even when you aren't explicitly looking for it.  His might gain shouldn't be regulated to just the gym but all hard labor so he can both gain mightiness and slow down it's drain if he's constantly fighting/working of course the numbers need to be fined tune but as of right now this ain't it. Even to all those people acting like Wolfgang will be their new character pick without some tweaks he'll get stale faster than bread left outside.  Everyone else is just far more interesting than i do double damage and can have 4 slots when I lift this dumbbell every couple of minutes.

[MarkBlocos]

16 hours ago, MrSoratori said:

ypu know what is not fun? people who doesnt want to stop whinning about losin bonus speed instead of trying to use magiluminescence for a while
the rework is fine u guys need to get over it, honestly 

ok i do runs with a lot of characters so you are just being silly saying people dont use mag, why cant wolfgang have a different style and not need it? Do all characters need to be the smae? Than why have more than one?

But if i do all bosses with Wes live on twtich can i have my wolfgang back? Is that like the legal procedure to ask for a character to not get nerfed now? We have to prove that we can play the game like haters wish people played and not like we enjoy

[Mike23Ua]

34 minutes ago, MarkBlocos said:

ok i do runs with a lot of characters so you are just being silly saying people dont use mag, why cant wolfgang have a different style and not need it? Do all characters need to be the smae? Than why have more than one?

But if i do all bosses with Wes live on twtich can i have my wolfgang back? Is that like the legal procedure to ask for a character to not get nerfed now? We have to prove that we can play the game like haters wish people played and not like we enjoy

The speed stacking with other speed items made Wolfgang virtually unhitable I don’t think anyone would care at all if he got his Speed back if his own natural speed was the only speed he could ever have- And no.. you most certainly can not compare him to WX.. because WX hasn’t been Nerfed whoops I mean reworked yet.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

Just now, Mike23Ua said:

The speed stacking with other speed items made Wolfgang virtually unhitable I don’t think anyone would care at all if he got his Speed back if his own natural speed was the only speed he could ever have- And no.. you most certainly can not compare him to WX.. because WX hasn’t been Nerfed whoops I mean reworked yet.

talks about kiting the wendy main

who cares if a character has a crazy perk? the thing is making character interesting and fun

[Well-met]

22 hours ago, MarkBlocos said:

Removing the speed just makes it so its better to build a lot of armor and tank. With the speed buff, you have the option to kite most bosses and actually do a fun fight.

your issue is with the DS combat system as a whole.

All other characters are too slow, your concern really isn't about wolfgang, though you did use him as a problem solver.

[Mike23Ua]

33 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

talks about kiting the wendy main

who cares if a character has a crazy perk? the thing is making character interesting and fun

You can call me crazy but I have a feeling the nerfs to his speed are justified, I also feel like combat in this game as a whole just like RWYS Gardens & Fishing are subjective to change/modifications/improvements.

I highly doubt DSTs combat will remain unchanged forever… Especially when Klei adds things to the game like character jumping animations when hopping onto/off of a boat platform, now that the Jumping Animation is there.. I would love for being able to “jump” to be used to avoid AOE attacks from enemy mobs 

But THAT is a topic for another thread, Wendy also can’t just Idle to kill the bosses.. Having crazy amounts of speed however would guarantee you never need to kite anything, dodge, or jump to avoid anything.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Having crazy amounts of speed however would guarantee you never need to kite anything, dodge, or jump to avoid anything.

[Cloakingsumo198]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

It's like people forget you gotta approach things to actually hit them

[ArubaroBeefalo]

7 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

It's like people forget you gotta approach things to actually hit them

 

[Mr Giggio]

5 hours ago, MarkBlocos said:

ok i do runs with a lot of characters so you are just being silly saying people dont use mag, why cant wolfgang have a different style and not need it? Do all characters need to be the smae? Than why have more than one?

But if i do all bosses with Wes live on twtich can i have my wolfgang back? Is that like the legal procedure to ask for a character to not get nerfed now? We have to prove that we can play the game like haters wish people played and not like we enjoy

If u use magi so WHY ARE U COMPLAININ about mov speed bonus if u already know the way to get it? ure pretty smart to put words im my mouth so u r to do the math as well cuz NO ONE WHATSOEVER [ok maybe warly] can do x2 so if u need more than this to feel unique, bruh...