Riled up Abigail should not attack lightbug.

[Peanut Brain]

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I love Lightbug. As soon as I found it, I sprint back to base to grab my net and go back to catch some of them.

If I'm in the same public server as you, I will probably bring home at least 10 of them.

Unfortunately I played Wendy. Sometimes I forgot to soothe Abigail and Abigail is killing those bugs real fast. Just one poke and it died.

 

"You should just learn to soothe Abigail everytime you don't need it!!"

Oh sure, but what about other Wendys?

 

 

I think we universally agree that there is NO good comes from killing those bugs. There is almost no reason to kill them. And if we do want to kill them, it will be really easy. It's not like butterfly who liked to run away fast.

[Mike23Ua]

44 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

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I love Lightbug. As soon as I found it, I sprint back to base to grab my net and go back to catch some of them.

If I'm in the same public server as you, I will probably bring home at least 10 of them.

Unfortunately I played Wendy. Sometimes I forgot to soothe Abigail and Abigail is killing those bugs real fast. Just one poke and it died.

 

"You should just learn to soothe Abigail everytime you don't need it!!"

Oh sure, but what about other Wendys?

 

 

I think we universally agree that there is NO good comes from killing those bugs. There is almost no reason to kill them. And if we do want to kill them, it will be really easy. It's not like butterfly who liked to run away fast.

As someone who has always Main’d Wendy I can’t say I agree with this.

Even before her rework Abigail always tried to attack things you did not want her attacking (like swamp tentacles)

There should be consequences for not properly commanding your twin sisters restless spirit.. just like when your trying to tame a Beefalo and it goes into Heat endlessly chasing you, Abigail will try to attack your almost fully tamed Beefalo.

I feel like this is one part of Wendy’s downside that the player should have to properly manage, if you put Abby in Riled mode in a Pig Village- Those pigs will all attack you/Abby.

When you have things you want to protect and you see Abby headed to attack, Unsummon her…

The trick to properly playing as Wendy is to know when to summon/unsummon soothe/rile up Abigail.

Not everyone will agree of course, but not everything should be overly easy either.

[Dollmaker]

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

As someone who has always Main’d Wendy I can’t say I agree with this.

Even before her rework Abigail always tried to attack things you did not want her attacking (like swamp tentacles)

There should be consequences for not properly commanding your twin sisters restless spirit.. just like when your trying to tame a Beefalo and it goes into Heat endlessly chasing you, Abigail will try to attack your almost fully tamed Beefalo.

I feel like this is one part of Wendy’s downside that the player should have to properly manage, if you put Abby in Riled mode in a Pig Village- Those pigs will all attack you/Abby.

When you have things you want to protect and you see Abby headed to attack, Unsummon her…

The trick to properly playing as Wendy is to know when to summon/unsummon soothe/rile up Abigail.

Not everyone will agree of course, but not everything should be overly easy either.

Yup, i often call back Abigail when i dont need her, so she doesnt cause issues. 

Wish i could do the same for Maxwell.... 

[Peanut Brain]

If I rile up and mistakenly attack stuff, for other than lightbug they won't die instantly so just minor setback.

 

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I feel like this is one part of Wendy’s downside that the player should have to properly manage,

What about if I played with someone who played Wendy?

Doesn't it sounds like one of those: "Willow will burn everything around her when she went insane." Was it ever like that in DST or is it only DS? I haven't playing DST that long.

 

6 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Even before her rework Abigail always tried to attack things you did not want her attacking (like swamp tentacles)

Yes, just like in single player DS. And for that I installed mod to control it's AI. But it does not work like that anymore.

And I felt like this Abigail died to tentacle is more like inconvenience or missing feature rather than challenge or a drawback. This should not be something that players need to train themself.

 

And for me, Abigail killing Lightbug is the same thing.

 

If Willow burn things around her when she is insane, every time Willow come to the server, I'll be like, "Oh no it's Willow again"

If I were to play any other character than Wendy. Then I collect these bugs. And then someone come to the server playing Wendy, I'll think like, "Ooh no, it's Wendy again."

Think of how Willow and Wendy would feel.

[Dollmaker]

2 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Doesn't it sounds like one of those: "Willow will burn everything around her when she went insane." Was it ever like that in DST or is it only DS? I haven't playing DST that long.

 

Pretty sure it wasnt, Willow was different since Early Access if i recall, cause lets be real, her burning stuff randomly for being insane would have been a MAYOR issue, so she was reworked from the start, her random fires when insane was removed as a result. 

8 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

And I felt like this Abigail died to tentacle is more like inconvenience or missing feature rather than challenge or a drawback. This should not be something that players need to train themself.

 

Thats has more to do with the Tentacles themselves, they attack anything that gets near them, the Swamp is a dangerous area, Abigail is not he only one that deal with this issue either, theres Chester too, who just stays there getting smacked. 

Sorry but, Willow's random fires and Wendy accidentally killing Lightbugs arent comparable, one just removes one of the many light sources of the game, the other literally destroys the base.

 

[Peanut Brain]

26 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

Thats has more to do with the Tentacles themselves, they attack anything that gets near them,

ah true. It's tentacle's fault. Not Abigail's silly AI. I can't really say anything about chester, yea he just stand there and get smacked. Though the setback are still minor, chester will follow closer to us than Abigail. So just move a little bit and he will be saved.

To be honest, I never really cared when tentacles spank chester. But If tentacle spank abigail, I would pee my pants. At least in single player vanilla DS since we are talking about the past. Sorry, chester and abigail is not comparable.

 

26 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

Sorry but, Willow's random fires and Wendy accidentally killing Lightbugs arent comparable,

Fair enough.  If someone destroy some of the stuffs in the base I would be mad. But if someone destroy some of the lightsource, I would accept it.

 

 

Hmm let's see. Do i still have comparison.

I'm the kind of player who would prepare dozen of armor and dozen of healing food when deerclops came.

I run from far from the base and just remembered I forgot to make a weapon. Even though I already prepared the material inside one of my chest at base.

The setback are minor.

Just walk around and try to find material to make weapon or lure deerclops to something else. This introduces some interesting and fun improvisation. And this happened often to me, not just deerclops. Oh boy I should have make sure I carry weapon every time I wanna fight something.

But if we accidentally killed lightbug. What are the setback? Make a net and go down in the cave to find those again. That sounds reeeeaallly fun and exciting!! Boy I should have learned how to teach Abigail not to attack those bugs.

 

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You are right, aaandd making abigail kill everything is also making her have consistent and predictable behavior.

Hmm I guess I'll accept it as it is. I will just simply not grab those light bugs for decoration.

It surprises me, that people actually okay with dead lightbugs caused by silly AI. I still think it's a silly AI!! But I will accept, for now.

 

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OH and by the way, sorry a bit off topic. Did you guys notice that Abigail's AI in DST is a little bit smarter than DS?

Say if we used it like in DS (not using soothe/unsummon). If she attacked something and then we move a little bit away, even if we are still close, Abigail will drop the aggro. Although not perfect, now Abigail is trying to understand when we are fighting or fleeing.

It doesn't work like that in DS. Need to walk suuuper far away for Abigail to drop aggro.

I'm always up for smarter Abigail. Maybe one day, Abigail will try to learn about the mob around the constant. After all, the lightbug are added after the rework. Who knows.

[Dollmaker]

13 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

To be honest, I never really cared when tentacles spank chester. But If tentacle spank abigail, I would pee my pants. At least in single player vanilla DS since we are talking about the past. Sorry, chester and abigail is not comparable.

 

When Soothe Abigail will follow you has priority over fighting. 

 

14 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

It surprises me, that people actually okay with dead lightbugs caused by silly AI. I still think it's a silly AI!! But I will accept, for now.

Its because several characters have similar setbacks, such has the monster characters being hated by Pigs or Bunnies 

Abigail attacking critters is just one of them. 

[Peanut Brain]

10 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

When Soothe Abigail will follow you has priority over fighting. 

Are we talking about vanilla DS? No she does not. Abigail DS is dumb. DS does not have Soothe and RIle Up. But it has advantage of ordering Abigail to attack specific target.

 

10 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

Its because several characters have similar setbacks, such has the monster characters being hated by Pigs or Bunnies 

Abigail attacking critters is just one of them.

Alright, I'll consider it as a drawback but only from gameplay perspective.

However consider this, monster being hated by pigs and bunnies makes sense for the world or the story, even in the Wurt animation, they show that Wurt extremely hates Pig people. Abigail killing critter does not. Abigail hates critter and wish them death? Based on Wendy's quote, Abigail does not sound like someone like that.

 

[Dollmaker]

7 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Are we talking about vanilla DS? No she does not. Abigail DS is dumb. DS does not have Soothe and RIle Up. But it has advantage of ordering Abigail to attack specific target.

 

Im pretty sure she also attacked critters in DS.

 

8 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Abigail killing critter does not. Abigail hates critter and wish them death? Based on Wendy's quote, Abigail does not sound like someone like that

If i had to guess, its based on Abigail's early interactions where she would attack anything that got near her, even Wendy, they also mentioned her being the jealous type which is why she would target Chester.

 

Could also point out that being a ghost isnt exactly trilling, so she might not be fully... sane. 

[MondayNight]

2 hours ago, Peanut Brain said:

...there is NO good comes from killing those bugs. There is almost no reason to kill them.

Almost. But... you get a Light Bulb per dead Bug out of it - good for refilling Lantern and Miner Hat; gives +1 hp per unit in emergency cases; and Manure via Were/Pig. Pros and Cons. As a matter of fact, "mad" Abi attacks everything (sans Chester, Hutch and Glommer), including Friendly Fruit Fly. And if she "friendly" squashes the Fruit Fly, for consistency she should retain this "perk" in relation to Light Bugs too. Life in Constant - once more: pros and cons.

[Peanut Brain]

4 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

Im pretty sure she also attacked critters in DS.

Absolutely not. There is no Aggresive abigail in DS since there is no rile up. Abigail don't attack stuff willy-nilly

Abigail will only attack mob that threaten us or what we attack. This include what we want to attack but haven't attacked yet. And thus why I called it "Ordering Abigail to attack specific target." (It's force attack with mouse)

I wish that Abigail can do that compared to Rile Up. It' sounds like smarter abigail. Kinda missed that from original DS but hey! We can unsummon her now, so all is well.

 

1 minute ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

As a matter of fact, "mad" Abi attacks everything (sans Chester, Hutch and Glommer), including Friendly Fruit Fly.

What nooo, Riled up abigail don't attack friendly fruit fly, chester, hutch, or even our pigman and bunnyman followers unless we attack them first.

Try befriending a pig, summon abigail, go to empty spot with chester, rile her up. Then attack chester.

See who will attack chester. I bet it's not Abigail.

 

9 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Almost. But... you get a Light Bulb per dead Bug out of it

Yes we do get ONE lightbulb, I said almost because it's not something people often do. And we don't even need abigail to kill it easily compared to butterflies.

I don't think this special rare cases is enough justification to make Abigail kill them on accident.

[Dollmaker]

4 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Absolutely not. There is no Aggresive abigail in DS since there is no rile up. Abigail don't attack stuff willy-nilly

 

I meant when they get close to her. 

Abigail wont target them, but if they get too close she attacks them.

[Peanut Brain]

28 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

Im pretty sure she also attacked critters in DS.

 

1 minute ago, Dollmaker said:

I meant when they get close to her. 

Abigail wont target them, but if they get too close she attacks them.

Uhm, did you play original DS?

No Abigail won't even attack butterflies unless we told her to. Not even if they get close to us or Abigail herself. It's still work like that in DS. Try it.

 

And just to clarify, DS is this game: https://store.steampowered.com/app/219740/Dont_Starve

[MondayNight]

15 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

What nooo, Riled up abigail don't attack friendly fruit fly...

Haven't checked lately (as in "last 3 weeks"), maybe was changed via last update (plus subsequent bug-fixes), but she definitely "giggled" the life out of Fruit Fly when riled.

 

18 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

...or pigman and bunnyman followers...

Haven't included them in mention for obvious reasons. Only neutral mobs Abi goes for ("the eyes") with sadistic pleasure when riled.

[Mike23Ua]

Abigail did not target and attack things on her own in DS, you had to run them INTO Abigail to get her to attack them- I miss this feature- because it directly helped me learn how to kite enemy mobs INTO other players- like for example a Gobbler that’s running from you or McTusk- DS Abigail was all about running enemies TO Abigail- not going “Pikachu I Choose You!- Use Electric Shock attack!”

Why do you even need Lightbugs if your playing as Wendy anyway? Abigail IS a walking Lightbug, and rewards Wendy with free infinite light when Abby is kept in good health.

A lot of hardcore players hate the free light, but.. I love it- it allows me to simply not waste Torch/Lantern/Miner Hat etc durability & just ride out the night with Abigails light.

Compendium description-

Isn’t afraid of the dark.

I mean if you want a lore reason as to why Abigail may be killing your lightbugs, perhaps she is jealous your relying on another entity for light?

[Peanut Brain]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

Why do you even need Lightbugs if your playing as Wendy anyway?

They are cute!! Like, during the night, there are flies with light running around your base, revealing small part of your stuffs.

It's like fireflies but better. Fireflies in Don't Starve don't move, they are just placed object, does not feel like living entity.

I don't catch them for gameplay reason. It's for making the base look pretty.

 

Wait, do people use Abigail for light source? Hmm I'm usually scared of the dark so I always carry both miner hat and lantern. Even torch is not bright enough for me.

[Dollmaker]

53 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Wait, do people use Abigail for light source? Hmm I'm usually scared of the dark so I always carry both miner hat and lantern. Even torch is not bright enough for me.

On an emergency i guess, its not that effective on the move due to Abigail being way slower than Wendy and usually following behind.

 

[Mike23Ua]

49 minutes ago, Peanut Brain said:

Wait, do people use Abigail for light source? Hmm I'm usually scared of the dark so I always carry both miner hat and lantern. Even torch is not bright enough for me.

I can’t speak for other people: but I can tell you that I personally use Abigail to save torch, lantern, campfire- etc durability. You can run around in total Darkness and Abby usually catches back up to you before you can be Killed.

Its a perk that is mostly useless if your a veteran, extremely useful if your a fresh starting noob- But Cute as heck & saves durability/resources if your a Wendy Main.

Also: As a Wendy Main I should advise against EVER putting Abigail into Riled Up Mode outside of Combat or Secluded areas of farming.

Here are some examples why: She Kills Lightbugs, She Kills Hound Waves- She also couldn’t careless if the hounds in that Wave are capable of making your entire base go up in a blazing inferno, If you are playing alongside a Wurt player she also commits mass murder of Wurts Merm Army.

(okay so that’s a lie.. she actually attacks them, then likely dies, and THEN.. the Merms attack you & you Die)

The TL:DR- As a Wendy Main I feel like it is my duty to remind others not to leave Abigail in Riled Up Mode.

2 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

On an emergency i guess, its not that effective on the move due to Abigail being way slower than Wendy and usually following behind.

 

Vigor Mortis can speed her up, but even without it she usually catches back up to you before Charlie can kill. (Usually, not always.. you may need to walk back towards her) 

[Notecja]

5 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Haven't checked lately (as in "last 3 weeks"), maybe was changed via last update (plus subsequent bug-fixes), but she definitely "giggled" the life out of Fruit Fly when riled

As far my experience goes, Abigail never attacked friendly fruit fly. Actually I even could not attack it myself.

[Dollmaker]

40 minutes ago, Notecja said:

As far my experience goes, Abigail never attacked friendly fruit fly. Actually I even could not attack it myself.

You usually have to force attack for friendly NPCs.

 

[MondayNight]

On 12/4/2021 at 5:06 AM, Notecja said:

As far my experience goes, Abigail never attacked friendly fruit fly. Actually I even could not attack it myself.

I witnessed numerous times on pubs when random-Wendu-N+1 came (starving and with both feet slipping the proverbial grave way) in communal base with riled-up Abi and then that base's farmer began spamming chat with "Ffs Wendu-N+1, soothe your mad Abi, she killed Fruitfly AGAIN, dammit!" to the horror of some and the amusement of others (me included, of course), more-so since some farmers also began clubbing mad Abi, sometimes dying themselves via such action. Fun fleeting pub moments

[Mike23Ua]

I’m back with more reasons never to leave Abigail in Riled Up Mode outside of Combat-

She follows you more closely while in Soothe Mode, She Decides to attack a field of nearby in heat Beefalo in Riled Up Mode,  She turns normally peaceful and helpful mobs hostile towards you for the rest of all eternity, she decides she randomly wants to kill your hand made Carrat & Saladmander petting pen from Hallowed Nights.

Seriously.. just DON’T leave her in constant Angry status….

And don’t try to carry around Lightbugs as Wendy with an Riled up Abigail- simple as that.

[Peanut Brain]

Ah yes let's stretch this topic further that it should be.

 

12 hours ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

I witnessed numerous times on pubs when random-Wendu-N+1 came (starving and with both feet slipping the proverbial grave way) in communal base with riled-up Abi and then that base's farmer began spamming chat with "Ffs Wendu-N+1, soothe your mad Abi,

Yes, this is one of the reason I made this post.

Say if I don't randomly riled up abi. In a public server, the other Wendy might do it.

 

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

She Decides to attack a field of nearby in heat Beefalo in Riled Up Mode,

This is not bad, just unsummon her and all is well right?

 

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

She turns normally peaceful and helpful mobs hostile towards you for the rest of all eternity,

I wonder what are the examples.

 

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

she decides she randomly wants to kill your hand made Carrat & Saladmander petting pen from Hallowed Nights.

This one is dangerous!! I remembered Abi almost burned the base because of this. This is as dangerous as Willow burning stuff around her when insane. Except less likely since this is very rare circumstances. But still bad!!

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If I think about it. Isn't the problem are caused by Riled up system?

If we still able to order abigail to attack specific target like in original DS, I see no reason to use or even implement Riled Up abigail.

Did they do it to make controlling abigail simpler? But I thought it would be simpler if we just kept the old behavior with additional ability to summon and unsummon her.

Right clicking will summon and unsummon abigail. Then force attack click will order abigail to attack specific target. No aggressive mode needed. And no need to drag the flower to abigail. Dragging flower to abigail to unsummon her felt like a weird control to me.

 

6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m back with more reasons never to leave Abigail in Riled Up Mode outside of Combat-

There is situations where I would casually leave abigail riled up.

Say there are alot of butterflies spawning around me while I do something else. Since we don't manually control her anymore, I'll just riled her up and mind my own business.

Sometimes I forgot to soothe her since it's just a side activity.

It's bad, I understand. I never did it when playing solo. But sometimes in random server I'm at desperate situation.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

the only time when you need to rile up abigail (i will ignore boss fights because you dont bring bugs to fight those) is when hounds come so just put you lightbug in the backpack and drop it far away of where you will fight the hounds. Come back, pick the backpack and the lightbugs will start following you again

no need for changes

[Peanut Brain]

5 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

the only time when you need to rile up abigail (i will ignore boss fights because you dont bring bugs to fight those) is when hounds come so just put you lightbug in the backpack and drop it far away of where you will fight the hounds. Come back, pick the backpack and the lightbugs will start following you again

no need for changes

 

On 12/4/2021 at 5:05 AM, Peanut Brain said:

They are cute!!

I don't carry light bug around with me for light source at all!! I left them all home to decorate the base. The threat come from every Wendy that hang out there wanking their murderous Abigail around, sometimes including myself, like what x0-Versus said.

But like in my previous post, sure, I already accepted it. We are just stretching the topic, it wasn't about Light bug anymore.

That's pretty cool tricks. I haven't thought of that. Still I won't be using Light bug for mobile light source. If you leave them back far away from harm during combat that means in the end you have to carry other light source anyway.