Mod thief!

[Cr4zyFl4mes]

1 hour ago, Walk the Plank said:

People were 'agitated' because it looked like you were trying to dismiss what this person had done, when in reality you just wanted people to use a more accurate definition for... some reason. We're on a game forum lol, not appearing in front of a court or smthn, no need to use the 100% by the book definition of "the act of taking someone's idea and crediting it as your own".

 

1 hour ago, Seero said:

No, both of these wrong.

It does not look like I was dismissing anything, if so i'd tact on "if it's not stealing, where is the issue" but I never said that.

and I didn't want people to use a more accurate definition at first, I was just asking a simple question, why are you demanding that this is a forum and not a court case? of course it is, I really don't see any of these remarks necessary, also aren't purposeful use of inaccurate or outright wrong definitions defeat the whole point of language?

Did not expect this thread to (evolve?) into linguistic discussion, but I'd like to offer my 2 cents:

The problem with allowing only defined linguistic constructions is, that no language would ever even originate. Even if you start enforcing the strict rules only once the language is "sufficiently" formed, you limit the language evolution. It is very useful to have your language flexible. I am no linguistic expert, but i am very much a proponent of language experimentation and non-strict use.

That said, i see the value in reminding people what is your understanding of a word.

And i see the value in strictly defining some concepts as well - mainly in sciences, (expecially math). It's just, IMO, counter-productive in a day-to-day communication.

P.S. You might be interested in constructed languages (like Esperanto). Even if Esperanto was made for different reasons, it generally is more strictly defined than English.

[mima_]

8 hours ago, Seero said:

So it's not stealing, it's copying, aka plagiarizing

this guy tho

plagiarism is form of stealing 

STEALING copyright/work/ideas is called Plagiarism 

According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, to "plagiarize" means: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own. to use (another's production) without crediting the source. to commit literary theft.

 

8 hours ago, Seero said:

That makes 3 people who are getting agitated over me asking a simple innocent question.

how can u feel so smart when u dont know simple thing like this 

try see this man What is Plagiarism? - Plagiarism.org if u still dont think plagiarism not an act of stealing someone possession .

ffs his school teacher need to be educated . why he cant even know this simple term . i think even my middle school art teacher teach me about this . how important is quoting source of information or ideas that we used on something we work on . if its not being credited its act of steal 


sorry for bad grammar/english i dont have english as my first language 

[KeshS]

On 10/6/2021 at 2:01 AM, penguin0616 said:

It's kind of like if you wrote an essay for a class, then someone saw it and copied it word for word and submitted that under their own name.
You still have your original, but now they've stolen your work.

I am curious how original work is being marked. Lets say you found a super useful function in one of the mods and want to use it in your own different mod, is it still plagiarizing?

How much of content can you take from someone until it is marked as stealing?

What if the person stole the whole mod and renamed every variable to their own and re-sorted the order of how the code looks, how can the original modder prove that this person stole their code?

I am not trying to find loop holes, but very curious how all this system of claiming original work is functioning. It's not the same as creating your own patent.

[penguin0616]

2 hours ago, KeshS said:

How much of content can you take from someone until it is marked as stealing?

2 hours ago, KeshS said:

I am curious how original work is being marked. Lets say you found a super useful function in one of the mods and want to use it in your own different mod, is it still plagiarizing?

Using that essay example, taking just a single sentence is enough to classify as plagiarism. Taking a whole paragraph is plagiarism as well. This is more undefined when it comes to code though, for reasons further below.

2 hours ago, KeshS said:

What if the person stole the whole mod and renamed every variable to their own and re-sorted the order of how the code looks, how can the original modder prove that this person stole their code?

There's generally many different ways to approach coding something. Changing the order of how the code looks isn't always really feasible to a large extent either, since there's a logical order to what needs to be executed. If the execution is still basically the exact same, it's a fair assumption that your code was stolen (not always necessarily the case, depends on various qualities of the code that are beyond the scope of this post but size, intent, specific techniques are important).

If you see some really useful code, you can always just ask the creator if you can use it. Lots of open-source code is licensed so that anyone can use it. Even if the code is licensed against people taking it and reusing it for public projects, you can still ask. I've seen that developers like to grant these requests (usually provided you put a little credit with the function or something) because it's a feel-good moment. You can also just reimplement the logic of your function in your own way, which is another approach. However, sometimes this isn't possible as even though there's often many ways to code something, there's also some things that can only be done a very specific way. 

I think most developers also as well just don't care very much if a function or a couple snippets of code are taken. It's just not really that important most of the time, and it's a little petty. Taking full functional works or part of those works (I'd say around a file's worth) is where they'll take notice and potentially start going after you.

And that doesn't even begin to address people taking code across national borders (a notable example are the WeGame mod thieves, they've stolen one of my mods 5 times now and have refused to remove them 3/5 times), everything is really muddled up at that point.

[Seero]

15 hours ago, prettynuggets said:

this guy tho

plagiarism is form of stealing 

STEALING copyright/work/ideas is called Plagiarism 

According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, to "plagiarize" means: to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own. to use (another's production) without crediting the source. to commit literary theft.

The problem with this repeating argument I'm seeing is that it begs the claim that it's stealing in the first place, then reasserts itself as the truth

15 hours ago, prettynuggets said:

how can u feel so smart when u dont know simple thing like this 

I

I don't how you derive that I feel smart through me saying "i'm asking a simple innocent question" 

[mima_]

5 minutes ago, Seero said:

I don't how you derive that I feel smart through me saying "i'm asking a simple innocent question"

"simple innocent question" as in being passive agressive that u want point out that u think "stealing work and plagiarism is different"

u cleary said that it was 2 different things 

bruh better not reply cus im thinking u will make ur self look worse 

[Seero]

1 minute ago, prettynuggets said:

"simple innocent question" as in being passive agressive that u want point out that u think "stealing work and plagiarism is different"

Nope, it's not that I want to point it, I'm just wondering how it could be stealing if you still possess it