BaloneyOs Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Yes I know there's a mod for this but my focus here is that many entities such as pumps, containers, and such are purposely locked from rotation. Just because some buildings might look ugly when rotated doesn't mean their full potential should be compromised. Having to accept that sometimes piping is going to be less clean because you had to bridge or wrap them around isn't exactly a "challenge" either (I'm looking at you, liquid and gas containers). In fact, you could argue that it's one aesthetic tradeoff for another, and we wound up with the less functional one. I'd actually really like to see some justification for not being able to flip every building that has ports. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxckLl Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 If we could set a default rotation per building this might be useful. As it stands, most of the times it's just unnecessary. Water Tanks & Sieves are the only buildings I can think of need to have rotation, and the Sieve already does. Rocket insertion machines also rotate to connect to the closest launcher. Can you provide some examples of where rotation would be necessary, that it doesn't already exist? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1411819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
irOninfernO Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 hours ago, JaxckLl said: If we could set a default rotation per building this might be useful. As it stands, most of the times it's just unnecessary. Water Tanks & Sieves are the only buildings I can think of need to have rotation, and the Sieve already does. Rocket insertion machines also rotate to connect to the closest launcher. Can you provide some examples of where rotation would be necessary, that it doesn't already exist? water tank can already rotated as of the latest patch, i think. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1411910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 hours ago, irOninfernO said: water tank can already rotated as of the latest patch, i think. I tried earlier this evening, the water and gas tanks wouldn't rotate. Can you flood a Gas tank with water? I know you can flood both in gasses... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1412092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliBob Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yes! I'd love to see this happen. The stuff that I use most, that can't be rotated are the gas/liquid tanks, gas/liquid pumps, Mec. Airlock(yes, they can rotate 90°, for automation, I'd be nice if they could rotate 270°), Transit tube access(nothing more then visual), Smart batt(again automation neatness), and that dang pitcher pump(visual).  Happy new year gang!  Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1412132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaloneyOs Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 12/31/2020 at 7:49 AM, JaxckLl said: Can you provide some examples of where rotation would be necessary, that it doesn't already exist?  Major: Both liquid and gas pumps and reservoirs Sinks (they finally made lavatories flippable but not sinks...) Metal refinery Hot tub  Minor: Buildings with only one asymmetrical port such as hydrogen and natural gas generators, fertilizer synthesizer, ethanol distiller, etc. There are many buildings in this category. NGG even has asymmetrical outputs I believe.  To add insult to injury the polymer press, which just has two ports in the middle tile, is flippable. It's mind boggling that this is flippable when many other buildings that would benefit from it are not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1413258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Some buildings with pipe ports cant be flipped. So its just impossible to build a mirror-system, because the port is always on the same side. One is always in the way of something else. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1413278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaloneyOs Posted January 5, 2021 Author Share Posted January 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, SharraShimada said: Some buildings with pipe ports cant be flipped. So its just impossible to build a mirror-system, because the port is always on the same side. One is always in the way of something else. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Any specific examples? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1413296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxckLl Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, BaloneyOs said: I don't understand what you are trying to say. Any specific examples? There are plenty of builds which must retain their handedness (as in, left/right handedness) no matter how they are built. Cooling loops for example always flow clockwise because of how the outputs from the Steam Turbine & Aquatuner default. It's not a big deal generally, but it can be annoying when trying to tetris two builds tight against each other. 99% of the time it doesn't matter what order the inputs/outputs actually are, you can just mirror your existing work to match the restrictive machine. However that 1% can be quite frustrating. I don't feel that adding mirror machines is necessary, and that it might even distract by making the default more complex. It's always possible to just rearrange the pipes to get things to work. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1413376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plum Gate Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 if you pay attention to flippable buildings, they shift over a tile's distance. don't know why - the power transformer, water seive, couple of others. all have this strange behaviour. their deconstruct icon is also occasionally off center. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125559-make-everything-that-has-ports-flippablerotatable/#findComment-1414002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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