Unfair Client Only Mods need to be addressed

No. Why do you even care about people who use this mod? Just don't use it for yourself and that's it, or play on privates

Edited August 5, 2022 by Duck986

 

20 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

No. Why do you even care about people who use this mod? Just don't use it for yourself and that's it, or play on privates

Nah. If you read my post you'd know why I care. I'm not sure where this mentality of "Just let people use whatever they want" comes from. Would you be saying the same thing if there were a client side only mod that let you spawn in any item in the game?

DST is a game with a huge focus on exploration and rewarding you for it. Being able to spot things a mile away when others without the mod cannot is unfair.

Edited August 5, 2022 by batnap

If people generally want the default camera to zoom further out then it should just be added to the game and supported fully. Not hidden as a mod in a DST tips and tricks video. Also this mod makes the game look terrible. It's like getting a mod for a FPS that sets the grass quality to none. It makes the game look worse aesthetically to give you an advantage over other players.

smh doesnt talk about water walking

 

12 minutes ago, slurper gaming said:

smh doesnt talk about water walking

 

it doesn't justify the mod being client side only

there is a client water walking mod and it works

 

2 minutes ago, slurper gaming said:

there is a client water walking mod and it works

 

OHH i thought you meant walking alongside water to reveal the map. That sounds awful. Could you link the mod or make another post?

Edited August 6, 2022 by batnap

agreed

I'm sure the reason Klei hasn't done anything about this is because there's many big name Twitch streamers who use camera mods, but they often play alone anyways. I believe a solution everyone would enjoy is to do away with editable camera variables and create a lategame item that allows the player to temporarily zoom out and see their surrounding area.

12 minutes ago, Well-met said:

agreed

thank you

Edited August 6, 2022 by batnap

18 minutes ago, batnap said:

I'm sure the reason Klei hasn't done anything about this is because there's many big name Twitch streamers who use camera mods

The real reasoning would be because it is not exactly a feasible thing to fix.

1 hour ago, Hornete said:

The real reasoning would be because it is not exactly a feasible thing to fix.

Hahaha this guy

Imagine not knowing that ingame variables can be made to be unchangeable rather easily by Klei and that they've done it before

People have told Klei how to fix this problem before, they may have just uhhhh missed it. :/

Edited August 6, 2022 by batnap

7 hours ago, batnap said:

I'm not sure where this mentality of "Just let people use whatever they want" comes from. Would you be saying the same thing if there were a client side only mod that let you spawn in any item in the game?

If person is not a ****, they will play so they will not disrupt other's game. If they use these mods... well, don't play with them if they refuse to turn them off, it's that simple.

Btw Too Many Items is a client mod allows you to spawn any item in the game... only if you are a server admin. Despite that, many players use it.

Edit: I also personally use Camera Tweaks on publics, and I see nothing wrong with this, because other players can use it too.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Duck986

3 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

If person is not a ****, they will play so they will not disrupt other's game. If they use these mods... well, don't play with them if they refuse to turn them off, it's that simple.

Btw Too Many Items is a client mod allows you to spawn any item in the game... only if you are a server admin. Despite that, many players use it.

Edit: I also personally use Camera Tweaks on publics, and I see nothing wrong with this, because other players can use them too.

._. ....

I suggested once to make a server mod that crashes your game (or just doesn't allow you to connect - just got this idea) if it detects a forbidden mod in your active mod list, yet I was heavily criticized, sooooo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited August 6, 2022 by Duck986

14 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

If person is not a ****, they will play so they will not disrupt other's game. If they use these mods... well, don't play with them if they refuse to turn them off, it's that simple.

Btw Too Many Items is a client mod allows you to spawn any item in the game... only if you are a server admin. Despite that, many players use it.

Edit: I also personally use Camera Tweaks on publics, and I see nothing wrong with this, because other players can use it too.

I used it too but I'm willing to admit that I know its cheating? Using it disrupts people's games no matter what, its called the butterfly effect.

7 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

I suggested once to make a server mod that crashes your game (or just doesn't allow you to connect - just got this idea) if it detects a forbidden mod in your active mod list, yet I was heavily criticized, sooooo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Server mods can't read your code or detect files on your PC without special permissions, they can only change code so this is actually impossible.

Edited August 6, 2022 by batnap

2 minutes ago, batnap said:

i mean i use it too but its still cheating and I know its cheating when its likely other players aren't using it?

good for you. some players count this as cheat, some don't. it's like with Nightvision for Free (client-side) - some think it's cheating because it allows you to see in the dark (like me), some don't because you still need a light source to not be attacked by Charlie.

come on, it's a sandbox, both in gameplay and modding. except when we're talking about mods monetization, like with Myth Words.

3 minutes ago, batnap said:

I use it too but I'm willing to admit that I know its cheating? Using it disrupts people's games no matter what, its called the butterfly effect.

See my answer above

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Server mods can't read your code or detect files on your PC without special permissions, they can only change code so this is actually impossible.

Probably, I know close to nothing about lua modding, but I was criticized because of heavy disruption (like "intentionally crashing your game because of one mod, seriously?")

26 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

good for you. some players count this as cheat, some don't. it's like with Nightvision for Free (client-side) - some think it's cheating because it allows you to see in the dark (like me), some don't because you still need a light source to not be attacked by Charlie.

come on, it's a sandbox, both in gameplay and modding. except when we're talking about mods monetization, like with Myth Words.

Okay define cheating, because cheating is called cheating because its gaining an advantage unfairly. Unfair is not something that should be allowed with mods. I agree that Nightvision shouldn't be free. It makes the moggles obsolete, and puts someone who has to farm for moggles at a disadvantage. Just like how someone with the camera mod could find caves first, or chester, pig houses, pig king, beefalo, the ruins, or disjointed biomes before anyone else.

Klei have made changes to mods in the past to be server only, because they were unfair.

You call it a sandbox in modding but what do you mean by that?  Client only mods exist from Klei putting anticheat measures into the game?

Edited August 6, 2022 by batnap

In my personal opinion with quite some experience on public servers, the way of fixing this problem would be to implement some kind of a blocklist for workshop mods, where the server owner could, if he wants to, explicitly state what mods should be blocked (not load on the client joining the server) using their workshop id.

This would also block all local client mods since it's hard to identify them.

Changed Status to Closed

This wouldn't be considered a bug and is better suited for suggestions/feedback.