A lil request before DST wraps up (Not that that is necessarily any time soon)

[Uedo]

I don't know if this would be helpful and I completely understand if bits are planned to be expanded upon in Elsewhere, and I also completely understand if the intention from a story perspective is to not outrightly explain or give a direct answer - that's fine if that's the plan.

buuuuut, if it was the intention of the devs to give us more lore around some of the unresolved story beats, do you think it would be a good idea for us to list what we'd like answers to? 

This isn't a request or a demand, again, i'm happy with whatever direction Klei goes with DST - It's their story to tell, but if possible, i'd personally love to have these story threads explained and wrapped up, just as they interest me really:

- Willow's involvement with Wickers library and why specifically Willow was assisting Maxwell, especially given their note.
- Wickers knowledge of Altar and the constant before arriving there, who exactly is she? Where did she get this knowledge, it felt very 'secret society', but who? Why? and why, at this point, do they seem unconnected to Maxwell or Wagstaff.
- An explaination of why Wagstaff moved from obsession with Shadow Magic (DS) to Lunar (DST).
- It was explained a very long time ago that the constant and the various other locations (SW/HAM/Forge/Gorge) are potentially within the same realm, I don't think this is likely to be the case lore-wise anymore but it was also explained the Florid Postern was created to bring people from their various 'solo' worlds into a new realm of the constant, previously we were all trapped in our own little personal constant, why is this?
- What event did Wanda witness that makes them feel history is repeating itself? They have seem this all before, when did they FIRST experience the chain of events that will end DST (Or up to the summoning of CC, the quotes about her seeing this before end there I think, i'm not sure they indicate anything after that they've already seen).

I've not missed lore bits, I think, so i'm aware that some of the answers to these points are implied, but something that kinda wraps it up with less ambiguity and less user interpretation would be lovely. 

You're welcome to pop your theorycrafting, or things that you might think obviously explain these, I love reading these things - but I think i'm asking if it would be possible to get confirmation before we move to Elsewhere for some of the story bits that Klei might not expand upon in the future.

Very pleased with how everything is going at the moment, and as i've said a few times, I am critical at points - not that you should listen to me, but I think that's cause I think Klei do a great job and it makes me really care about the game, I do need to be better and managing my expectations and just enjoying the journey, I do get that.

Not sure if the above is helpful, but those are some of the bits i'd love to see received a resolution, but again, if not it's fine - food for thought I guess!

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[GamePlayer42]

2 hours ago, Uedo said:

- An explaination of why Wagstaff moved from obsession with Shadow Magic (DS) to Lunar (DST).

my thought is that for wagstaff in solo, it was less of an obsession with shadow fuel and more like a fascination with just about everything in the constant, he has comments about fascination with gold (Luxury Axe- "Fascinating! Gold has much more durable properties here.") , cclockworks,(Clockwork Rook- "Such admirable clockwork! I will examine it more closely when I destroy it.") and plenty other things he shows fascination for, nightmare fuel is valuabe to wagstaff because i think thats what sparked his obsession with how the constants resources can be used for millitary application, then, when something underutilized and surging with untapped potential comes to the constant, it inspires wagstaff to innovate, thats my thoughts.

[gaymime]

oh, don't forget that walter seems to have learned about some of the beings in the constant(though by incorrect names) simply through cultural osmosis. there is enough bleed between the two worlds that even a young child has heard a thing or two

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, Uedo said:

What event did Wanda witness that makes them feel history is repeating itself? They have seem this all before, when did they FIRST experience the chain of events that will end DST (Or up to the summoning of CC, the quotes about her seeing this before end there I think, i'm not sure they indicate anything after that they've already seen).

So this is likely coincidence but it's implied in her quote for Wurt's wand I believe that survivors picking certain sides can have very drastic future consequences via her implying merms becoming enlightened going really bad but that she usually chooses to side with Charlie.

 

My theory is that the skill trees aren't canonic for the most part and more so what if we scenarios for the survivors excluding Winona specifically due to how her tree works with the alignment skills hinting at timelines where the survivors potentially betrayed the group and more so swore true loyalty to their particular sides. This would especially make sense of Wormwood's summoning alignment skills which were always iffy to me due to how they work.

[gaymime]

1 hour ago, Mysterious box said:

This would especially make sense of Wormwood's summoning alignment skills which were always iffy to me due to how they work.

ooooh, i had not actually thought about this at all! please, could you elaborate further? you've got my curiosity by the ear~

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[Waywarbler]

Did we ever learn what exactly Maxwell's deal with the Ancient Guardian was?

[-Variant]

There's beyond countless loose threads I'd like to be picked up, but fear we might not get anything on.
Namely...

• The Sealed portal.
• That extra robot Wagstaff was building in the halloween tease.
• Wagstaff's portals in general, the one Wilson has been helping him out with. There's a chance that'd be explained soon but I'm biting my tongue.
• Nightmare Werepig's whole deal.
• "One more left."
• Half of the Klei shorts ending on a dramatic frame with an ominous stinger. Like the Wanda one, can't tell which are just for fun or meant to be important.

I feel like there's -way- more I'm forgetting, I've sort of stopped keeping up with things for a while now.
Really, really hoping some of the loose ends are tied up somehow, someway, before they truly start moving on.

[namhai]

9 minutes ago, -Variant said:

One more left

What does this refer to, by the way?

[Harrowick]

44 minutes ago, namhai said:

What does this refer to, by the way?

I thinkkkk the note at the end of the Wickerbottom animated short? 

 

[Uedo]

5 hours ago, -Variant said:

There's beyond countless loose threads I'd like to be picked up, but fear we might not get anything on.
Namely...

• The Sealed portal.
• Wagstaff's portals in general, the one Wilson has been helping him out with. There's a chance that'd be explained soon but I'm biting my tongue.

I think with these two specifically what we've recently got might be where those threads end.

I think, since now, the sanctum hole leads directly down to the sealed portal - I think that's where they'll leave it, I think by 'portal' they might just mean it in a really literal sense now, a portal as-in an entrance. I think they won't mention it again and we're left to take it to mean it used to be the way into the sanctum (maybe it elevated?) but is now sealed, maybe it was like a vault door but it has fell down? I don't know, my point is I don't think it'll ever lead to anything now either

With the portals with Wagstaff, the new ARG gives good examples of how wags portals have progressed - I don't know where it goes, but i'd imagine Wagstaff has been aiming for a large scale back-and-forth doorway. So far he's been using a projector and then a portal that exploded, previous the connection to the constant has initiated from Earth and then either places someone in the constant via projector, or I assume plops them in via the florid postern or it just pops them into existence there. Maybe it's an attempted to try it the other way around, the portal connection is now being initiated from the constant - with lovely gestalt power (If you notice it looks like in a few of them, there are tanks on  the side, presumably to pop a gestalt into it/spark ark). Maybe he's doing both at once, trying build new portals in the constant that directly link with the one he has in the real world? I think there's a bit more to infer from the ARG.

No idea though, that's why i'd just love some dev clarity haha 

UPDATE: oooooor back the sealed portal, since we're seeing a lot of archives/sanctum stuff in regards to protecting a certain keystone, maybe the portal is supposed to be sealed? We never did find a way into whereever tenebrau actually resides, maybe it leads into the depths, where it's sealed?
We know that when the survivors first used the Ancient Gateway, they were transported to the forge/gorge, it might be more of a conduit that is drawing from below, a way for the ancients to directly siphon NF and communicate with the entity? It's kinda like a funnel for a small amount of the shadows power, perhaps that's why It wants to be free? Maybe after giving Charlie the keystone we pave the way for it to open, like a big lock on a prison door?  ---- again though, no idea!

Edited Sunday at 10:59 AM by Uedo

[Mysterious box]

15 hours ago, gaymime said:

ooooh, i had not actually thought about this at all! please, could you elaborate further? you've got my curiosity by the ear~

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It's nothing too crazy but when Wormwood is "tapping into his lunar roots" to summon his summons it seems Alter is directly helping him summon them and well if that's canonical well...we may have a replacement for Wagstaff in the making but one truly on the Alter's side or at the very least an unintentional spy for him.