Using Coals In the AFW Fight

[GrapeVruit]

When playing in one of my beta worlds, I pondered whether or not the new coals could be useful for dealing with the woven shadows in the AFW fight. While their damage is pretty pitiful against most mobs, for the single health point of the wovens, it'd probably be a good method for dealing with their large numbers. For this strategy, I placed coals in a ring around the portal, as most of the wovens tend to spawn in the center, and used the thermal balm to protect me from fire damage (though this isn't a problem if you're playing Willow or using Scalemail). After testing them out for a while, I can confirm that coals are a pretty solid option for the fight, though probably on the expensive side considering the amount they give per craft and the low drop chance of heat glands. Not sure if it'd be better to farm for weatherpains, though with this method you won't have to manual cast where you want the tornado to go, which would probably make the fight less of a headache. My execution also wasn't the best here. Fuelweaver is a boss I struggle with a ton, and I end up making a few mistakes. 

 

Edited June 1 by GrapeVruit

[Baark0]

Assuming they work pretty much identically to Winona's pure horror strike, they sound really good for long term worlds, as you can completely shut down AFW's ability to heal, which will save tons of resources in the long term.

[GrapeVruit]

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2 hours ago, Baark0 said:

Assuming they work pretty much identically to Winona's pure horror strike, they sound really good for long term worlds, as you can completely shut down AFW's ability to heal, which will save tons of resources in the long term.

If they can get cheaper by either reducing the gland price or giving more coals per craft, I can see this as a pretty good alternative to using weather pains or brightshade staves.

[Kacpert25]

Quite a powerful method.
I wonder if Klei, after seeing this post, will give shadow creatures immunity to damage from Coals XD. I hope not.
But I would personally increase the health of woven shadows from 1 hp to 5 hp for this reason. So that they don't die immediately after spawning on Coals, but after taking 2 damage hits from Coals.
Such a change would only slightly nerf Coals. And other methods of killing these minions wouldn't suffer. Because weather pain deals 7 damage per tick. So they would still kill woven shadows on hit if they had that 4 more hp.

[Jussatoon]

1 minute ago, Kacpert25 said:

Quite a powerful method.
I wonder if Klei, after seeing this post, will give shadow creatures immunity to damage from Coals XD. I hope not.
But I would personally increase the health of woven shadows from 1 hp to 5 hp for this reason. So that they don't die immediately after spawning on Coals, but after taking 2 damage hits from Coals.
Such a change would only slightly nerf Coals. And other methods of killing these minions wouldn't suffer. Because weather pain deals 7 damage per tick. So they would still kill woven shadows on hit if they had that 4 more hp.

Could you list some other uses Coals could have? 

Otherwise, I'm unsure if people would bother using them for anything else other than decorative purposes if you encourage having them nerfed.

[GrapeVruit]

8 minutes ago, Kacpert25 said:

Quite a powerful method.
I wonder if Klei, after seeing this post, will give shadow creatures immunity to damage from Coals XD. I hope not.
But I would personally increase the health of woven shadows from 1 hp to 5 hp for this reason. So that they don't die immediately after spawning on Coals, but after taking 2 damage hits from Coals.
Such a change would only slightly nerf Coals. And other methods of killing these minions wouldn't suffer. Because weather pain deals 7 damage per tick. So they would still kill woven shadows on hit if they had that 4 more hp.

Ehhh, I wouldn't say this is too powerful. Bear in mind that coals cost 2 heat glands, a item with about a 25% drop chance, 4 nitre, and 4 flint to craft, and you only get 4 of them per craft. In the demonstration I used 44 coals, which would entail getting 88 heat glands and 176 nitre and flint. Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh, not really all that powerful, but a decent option to consider if you don't wanna open rifts for a BS staff or farm weather pains.

Edited June 1 by GrapeVruit

[Kacpert25]

3 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Ehhh, I wouldn't say this is too powerful. Bear in mind that coals cost 2 heat glands, a item with about a 25% drop chance, 4 nitre, and 4 flint to craft, and you only get 4 of them per craft. In the demonstration I used 44 coals, which would entail getting 88 heat glands and 176 nitre and flint. Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh, not really all that powerful, but a decent option to consider if you don't wanna open rifts for a BS staff or farm weather pains.

Okay, you're right.

[Dingle]

20 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Ehhh, I wouldn't say this is too powerful. Bear in mind that coals cost 2 heat glands, a item with about a 25% drop chance, 4 nitre, and 4 flint to craft, and you only get 4 of them per craft. In the demonstration I used 44 coals, which would entail getting 88 heat glands and 176 nitre and flint. Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh, not really all that powerful, but a decent option to consider if you don't wanna open rifts for a BS staff or farm weather pains.

Doesn't sound right. Don't you get 4 coal per craft?

22 heat glands is still a lot of geothermite farming, either way.

[Jenny 05 Justic]

39 minutes ago, Kacpert25 said:

相当强力的方法。
不知道 Klei 看到这个帖子后，会不会让暗影生物免疫煤炭的伤害 XD。希望别这样。
不过我个人建议，为此把编织暗影的生命值从1点提高到5点。这样它们就不会在煤炭上刚生成就立刻死亡，而是承受两次煤炭伤害后才消失。
这样的改动只会稍微削弱煤炭的效果，而其他击杀这些仆从的方法则不会受到影响。因为天气疼痛每跳造成7点伤害，所以即使织影者血量增加4点，它们依然会被一击必杀。

This exorbitant resource cost is even less cost-effective than just making 80 gunpowder.

[Maxil20]

I can certainly see this being a pretty decent strat. Given how much wovens greatly complicate the fuelweaver fight, the ability to entirely remove them from the equation for every single kill after setup is a massive boon.

Also, you people are forgetting construction amulet/deconstruction staff strats!! Crafting the coals gives you 4 coals using 1 gland with a construction amulet, and you can profit up to three extra glands by deconstructing those coals with a staff on each of those. Given how you only need a few green gems for that (around 7 or so with construction amulet/deconstruction staffs) and you’ll pretty easily profit that amount from a single ruins regen, it is worth it’s weight in gold. 

Edited June 1 by Maxil20

[GrapeVruit]

 

7 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Doesn't sound right. Don't you get 4 coal per craft?

22 heat glands is still a lot of geothermite farming, either way.

Yeah, you do get 4 per craft

[Dingle]

With some practice I bet you could also use way less coals by just protecting one side or corner of the arena, instead of entire center.

Especially as a character that can get out of the root for free. Shadow Walter, Wanda, Wortox.

[Chesterxito]

2 hours ago, GrapeVruit said:

Bear in mind that coals cost 2 heat glands, a item with about a 25% drop chance

Is the chance affected by luck?

[GrapeVruit]

Not sure, I did this with events turned off. It probably does affect drop rates.

6 hours ago, Baark0 said:

Assuming they work pretty much identically to Winona's pure horror strike, they sound really good for long term worlds, as you can completely shut down AFW's ability to heal, which will save tons of resources in the long term.

If they can get cheaper by either reducing the gland price or giving more coals per craft, I can see this as a pretty good alternative to using weather pains or brightshade staves.

[Schneid_101]

This is actually a good strat for refighting fuelweaver.