Tarnishedmax Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 The Zaptrocuter is in a really weird spot currently, where its kinda too weak and also broken (in a cheesy way) so to fix this i think the Zaptrocuter should be half automatic half active, instead of using the remote to shoot things yourself, it should start analyzing the target of your choosing for a few seconds (as you fly above it) and when the marking process finishes it would start periodically shooting at it as you are free to deal your own damage or escape, you could swap targets on the fly as well by taking control over it again and marking another mob, it would work as a passive damaging/support item since its solo damage wont be high (45 per hit) but constantly shocking things and making enemies get bombarded is just fun and useful. It would also allow solo players to know that its name is Jules. 21 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Its in a really weird position right now. It doesn't have many applications where I can see myself using it outside of breaking mobs A.I and stunlocking things to death... Its too slow to whip out and use on a dime. I like this idea a lot. It reminds me of Warbis and the Scanalyzer! And also those poor Flying Warbot drones we never got... Honestly I think being able to whip it out, scan and lock onto a group of enemies, and then either staying in control, or tabbing out and letting an A.I keep up with you sounds sick. Gives players some more agency on how they want to use it, and it actually gives it some more use in solo play as well. 7 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellat13 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 Zaptrocuter isn't supposed to be used as a weapon. It's a tool used for zapping clockworks (mainly) because when you have a big enough army they kill a clockwork you are trying to tame before you get a chance to repair them. I like it the way it is it serves it's purpose. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AviatorBean Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 1 hour ago, Ellat13 said: Zaptrocuter isn't supposed to be used as a weapon. It's a tool used for zapping clockworks (mainly) because when you have a big enough army they kill a clockwork you are trying to tame before you get a chance to repair them. I like it the way it is it serves it's purpose. Morning Star already fills that use and more way easier. I like how the zaptrocuter works now but it is pretty niche, there's a few uses for it such as charging and aggroing a volt goat at the same time and some ranged aoe that's otherwise hard to get but its not the best because of it's startup time. other modes for it to let it support you in combat or other things would be very nice 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LavenderLillie Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 As a player who almost exclusively plays solo, I really like this suggestion. As it stands, the Zaptrocuter is a funny gag at best and a complete waste of 1/2 skill points and a bunch of scrap at worst. Having it work as a follower-like creature instead would be a lot more interesting and make it more engaging to use solo. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I use it kill hordes of Spleumonkeys: I'd be careful with this one because I feel like some strategy could fly under the radar easily. I wonder how well it preforms on the likes of Crab King... 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, Ridley said: I wonder how well it preforms on the likes of Crab King... probably as well as the range slingshot cheese with Walter is my guess. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellat13 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 10 hours ago, AviatorBean said: Morning Star already fills that use and more way easier. I like how the zaptrocuter works now but it is pretty niche, there's a few uses for it such as charging and aggroing a volt goat at the same time and some ranged aoe that's otherwise hard to get but its not the best because of it's startup time. other modes for it to let it support you in combat or other things would be very nice Morning star aggros tamed clockworks. The zaptrocuter does not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/27/2026 at 9:23 PM, Ridley said: I use it kill hordes of Spleumonkeys: I'd be careful with this one because I feel like some strategy could fly under the radar easily. I wonder how well it preforms on the likes of Crab King... He said it's useless for playing normally and broken for cheesing things. You're demonstrating that second thing. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 15 minutes ago, Cheggf said: He said it's useless for playing normally and broken for cheesing things. You're demonstrating that second thing. You are right. I was hoping to come back with some Crab King news but my world glitched. I have learned since though that the Electric Milk recharges circuits, so I can easily stock pile batteries using wrapping paper. I also went and recruited all the robots on the way to Fuelweaver using the drone. I think for one early skill point it does its job well as an electric boomerang. Also, is the goal to prevent the cheese as seen in that picture? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 2 minutes ago, Ridley said: You are right. I was hoping to come back with some Crab King news but my world glitched. I have learned since though that the Electric Milk recharges circuits, so I can easily stock pile batteries using wrapping paper. I also went and recruited all the robots on the way to Fuelweaver using the drone. I think for one early skill point it does its job well as an electric boomerang. Also, is the goal to prevent the cheese as seen in that picture? The goal is to make it so that it's useful for normal play. I don't think his intention is to prevent people from being able to cheese with it, at least that's not the reason why I think it should be changed. Whether someone can cheese with it, to me, is irrelevant. I don't really care. But something should be fun and useful for playing normally. There's nothing fun about essentially AFKing while you just watch spelunkeys die on their own, and there's already tons of ways to achieve that without needing this item to do that. If this was something that helped WX-78 fight instead of fighting for him, that would be a lot more unique, a lot more fun, and a lot more useful. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/28/2026 at 12:21 AM, Ellat13 said: Zaptrocuter isn't supposed to be used as a weapon. It's a tool used for zapping clockworks (mainly) because when you have a big enough army they kill a clockwork you are trying to tame before you get a chance to repair them. I like it the way it is it serves its purpose. No it’s not, Thats just your use for it and it’s a pretty bad way to use it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellat13 Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 56 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: No it’s not, Thats just your use for it and it’s a pretty bad way to use it. Well there isn't many different ways you can use it, except killing a bunch of weak enemies stuck in a tight group, or charging volt goats. Unless you want to sink your resources into killing bosses in a very slow way. If there are not more "pretty bad ways to use it" then please enlighten me. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selt_o Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 in a world with myself and a friend we completely stunlocked queen bee using it, I don't think its underpowered by any means Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1856827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarnishedmax Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 On 3/29/2026 at 9:52 AM, Selt_o said: in a world with myself and a friend we completely stunlocked queen bee using it, I don't think its underpowered by any means "where its kinda too weak and also broken in a cheesy way" I dont think stun locking a boss for 10 minutes is fun or well designed at all, its broken in such a boring way it hurts lol, i know it can stun lock every single boss in the game except for Warbot and Scion, it doesnt make it a well designed item. 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1857018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Tarnishedmax said: "where its kinda too weak and also broken in a cheesy way" I dont think stun locking a boss for 10 minutes is fun or well designed at all, its broken in such a boring way it hurts lol, i know it can stun lock every single boss in the game except for Warbot and Scion, it doesnt make it a well designed item. I think it automatically attacking would do the same thing but now I get to melee things while they are shocked. You'd probably also have to make it cost more than a single skill point to unlock. I feel it is best to just let this be an electric boomerang and not some must have combat perk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/170334-zaptrocuter-rework-suggestion-to-make-it-a-lot-more-interesting/#findComment-1857028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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