I'm Wickerbottom Main and... I don't like character updates

[Pruinae]

19 minutes ago, Naifxoxo said:

u still need to farm for weed which is bad, nobody should farm when u can have fish or thermal stones, 

You have the one time investment on getting the Lord of the Fruitflies to plant the weeds for you, then every time you want tea you can get 40+ weeds in 2+ minutes (You can do even more and it will take longer but there is no point unless there are multiple players, they can help you collect faster anyway), every couple of days. That is what? 2 minutes for 4 hours of weather protection? The season that require the tea last for 15 days (2 hours), you spend 2 minutes collecting the weeds so you can get protection for 2 seasons. (In reality you don't really need the tea for every second of the season so you end up using less than the 6 teas anyway, although we could add in the time it takes to get pearl to make you the teas). You don't need to replant Nettles so there really isn't a farming aspect to it besides the collecting.

As for succulent you can spend a summer day as Maxwell spamming Wicker's book in the oasis with your shadows collecting them and collect enough to last for 10+ summers.

It's little time investment so you don't ever have to worry about repairing/reheating thermal stones or them losing all temperature when entering caves, and you don't have to bother with finding/taking care of the fish.

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, Naifxoxo said:

by the time u kill cc u Already have bundles

1. Take out the glow berries.
2. Put some in the moggles.
3. Spend grass to put the rest away again.
4. Repeat 1-3 until you run out.
5. Hunt for more berries, return to 1.

VS.

1. The crown sits on your head to give you free light, sanity, and DPS forever.

Edited February 10 by Bumber64

[Naifxoxo]

12 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

1. Take out the glow berries.
2. Put some in the moggles.
3. Spend grass to put the rest away again.
4. Repeat 1-3 until you run out.
5. Hunt for more berries, return to 1.

VS.

1. The crown sits on your head to give you free light, sanity, and DPS forever.

u still need to have max sanity , u gonna farm or gather alot to keep it working , if it stops working while ur in ruins and ur sanity stuff spoils ur a dead meat, u dont js put it on ur head, unless u talking abt the enhanced version, which still has bad filter, and requires the end game boss so ya.

24 minutes ago, Pruinae said:

You have the one time investment on getting the Lord of the Fruitflies to plant the weeds for you, then every time you want tea you can get 40+ weeds in 2+ minutes (You can do even more and it will take longer but there is no point unless there are multiple players, they can help you collect faster anyway), every couple of days. That is what? 2 minutes for 4 hours of weather protection? The season that require the tea last for 15 days (2 hours), you spend 2 minutes collecting the weeds so you can get protection for 2 seasons. (In reality you don't really need the tea for every second of the season so you end up using less than the 6 teas anyway, although we could add in the time it takes to get pearl to make you the teas). You don't need to replant Nettles so there really isn't a farming aspect to it besides the collecting.

As for succulent you can spend a summer day as Maxwell spamming Wicker's book in the oasis with your shadows collecting them and collect enough to last for 10+ summers.

It's little time investment so you don't ever have to worry about repairing/reheating thermal stones or them losing all temperature when entering caves, and you don't have to bother with finding/taking care of the fish.

weeds r still rng , its too much time wasting , while u could js have fish pins and use fish , or thermals , if u really struggle then js use warming/cooling gear with thermal makes u safe for like 10 mins or even more i didnt do the math but i remember it makes u safe from temp for more than a whole Day

26 minutes ago, Pruinae said:

You have the one time investment on getting the Lord of the Fruitflies to plant the weeds for you, then every time you want tea you can get 40+ weeds in 2+ minutes (You can do even more and it will take longer but there is no point unless there are multiple players, they can help you collect faster anyway), every couple of days. That is what? 2 minutes for 4 hours of weather protection? The season that require the tea last for 15 days (2 hours), you spend 2 minutes collecting the weeds so you can get protection for 2 seasons. (In reality you don't really need the tea for every second of the season so you end up using less than the 6 teas anyway, although we could add in the time it takes to get pearl to make you the teas). You don't need to replant Nettles so there really isn't a farming aspect to it besides the collecting.

As for succulent you can spend a summer day as Maxwell spamming Wicker's book in the oasis with your shadows collecting them and collect enough to last for 10+ summers.

It's little time investment so you don't ever have to worry about repairing/reheating thermal stones or them losing all temperature when entering caves, and you don't have to bother with finding/taking care of the fish.

idk if they changed that but u still need multiple teas for a single day , u gonna keep crafting those too , what if ur away from base for long time ru gonna carry like 100 tea

Edited February 10 by Naifxoxo

[mima_]

pointless discussion the time they mention fish its over, who in non wurt player want use fish to manage temperature. 
to find them locked during the season, and terrible RNG and harder to catch than any normal fishes. then after u got several of them only wurt who might can hot swap the fishes every 2-3 days. other player? better stick to thermalstone than stressing about keeping fish alive... and see they mention carry 100 tea, while people who have play only carry 1 tea and safe for a season and even have some leftover. they clearly never play the theory they presented themself

back to the main discussion pls

Edited February 10 by mima_

[viblym]

I do feel like many characters due for improvement could've been given attention a long time ago in the form of just minor tweaks, but the dedication to updating characters when there is a specific update relevant to them takes so LONG. Wortox, Wurt, and Wormwood all got little mini tweaks as side content in updates, of which they added things like map teleports, sanity from dropping souls, frogs being neutral to Wurt, Wormwood's bramble husk being given more defense and costing stingers instead of bone shards, all little tweaks that made a decent difference for them. I think Klei is hesitant to tweak characters in this way, if they were to increase values for certain things than it may be difficult to dial those things back once they're ready to do a full rework, but honestly I think it needs to be done more often. Walter is fantastic now, but imagine if he had ramping speed on the slingshot back then as a patch? It's a small thing that they can do to improve the character without needing to focus an update on it. If they know a specific problem or solution that exists for a character, ideally they'd address it sooner rather than later, even if it's a "bandaid solution". DST has a large cast of characters and needing to wait 7 odd years to get any character changes at all stinks.

More importantly in the face of Skill Trees: Patching and working on minor features for characters that are detrimental to their gameplay feels very important to be when Skill Trees are taken into consideration- I do not want to be given that QoL in the form of a skill tree perk, basekit changes are still necessary and so many skill tree perks should be basekit to the characters they belong to. On top of that, once those minor issues are worked on for characters, the discussion around potential skill trees and perks get a lot better too. People thinking up skill trees that consist of "Okay well Wickerbottom reads books slowly compared to every other spellcasting animation in the game, so let's give her three different perks that speed it up" hurts my soul deeply. That's something Klei can do right now that'd make Wickerbottom feel better to play, without making me wait potentially several more months after the years that have passed since her rework to get something like that. 

[Naifxoxo]

8 hours ago, mima_ said:

pointless discussion the time they mention fish its over, who in non wurt player want use fish to manage temperature. 
to find them locked during the season, and terrible RNG and harder to catch than any normal fishes. then after u got several of them only wurt who might can hot swap the fishes every 2-3 days. other player? better stick to thermalstone than stressing about keeping fish alive... and see they mention carry 100 tea, while people who have play only carry 1 tea and safe for a season and even have some leftover. they clearly never play the theory they presented themself

back to the main discussion pls

ur correct i havent tested teas but still i would prefer using thermal and snow chester u can do this setup like day 10 , same with winter is easy its not rlly that complicated, not worth farming or whatever u doing for weeds etc ,

 

also theres something that solves all temp issues and u can get it by day 1-4 , and the other as soon as day 11 , called star and moon staff , its not rlly complicated 

 

the whole point is instead of adding something for early game or for characters ,they did this , 

Edited February 10 by Naifxoxo