Value of Skins + Ressurection

[cybers2001]

On 7/23/2025 at 1:03 AM, Maxposting said:

"It's human nature bro" says video game forum user in favour of a system which nowadays benefits nobody but a few parasites and will lead to destruction of humanity altogether if not overthrown.

How would it be against "human nature" (totally immutable and very eternal thing outside of the conditions people exist in) to have skins available to everyone under socialism?

I mean, if people want to do things they instinctively enjoy, like collecting things, seems like a good thing to use video games as an outlet for that instead of something actually important, like food, land, wealth, etc.

[Maxposting]

11 hours ago, hhh2 said:

capitalism wouldn't have came about if that were the case

How do you think capitalism came to be?

11 hours ago, hhh2 said:

Also, the destruction of humanity will be because of the exploitation of cheap energy of fossil fuels. 

Assuming you're right and humanity doesn't get wiped out because of an imperialist conflict instead, why do you think fossil fuels are still greatly used instead of renewables?

There is enough development in science and industry that this no longer has to be the case, and yet there are rich oligarchs hellbent on continuing these destructive processes simply because it is profitable short-term even despite it limiting humanity's development.

I doubt you have any reason to want pay ever-so-rising prices of electricity when objectively, you don't have to.

11 hours ago, hhh2 said:

My point is explaining that forever and always people are going to like rare and attractive things and that scarcity value is not fake but can become part of an economy of goods.

Again, you default to an eternal human nature on the edge of reality to explain why people purchase artificially scarce goods, not realizing the argument was against these speculative practices.

6 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

I mean, if people want to do things they instinctively enjoy, like collecting things, seems like a good thing to use video games as an outlet for that instead of something actually important, like food, land, wealth, etc.

Do capitalist gamers not exploit and abuse their power to generate more wealth for themselves?

My point is that these human behaviours are actively exploited by gaming companies - having people worry about exclusivities to the point of wanting to gatekeep out less fortunate people is not healthy, let alone what entertainment should be.

[SilverSpoon]

15 hours ago, hhh2 said:

But the thing is that Klei's aim is to destroy exclusivity.  Creating a new type of exclusivity is taking no steps forward, so they wont do this.

This entire problem happened because Klei long ago let those exclusive merch skins be marketable, then recently have decided to undo it, but it hurts people who lavished the exclusivity.  One fact is that if you introduce scarcity value into a market, you can't take it out easily.  It's a permanent addition, cuz otherwise, this show happens!

I know the conclusion.  The collectors are going to lose.  I think there will be less sales for merchandise that Klei makes, because any would-be buyer and would-be collector will steer away.  Either that, or Klei wont create skins for the merchandise.  I wonder how many sales were spurred on by those skins.

Even now, non-reprint skins have a "Proof of Purchase" tag, so adding more little bit of exclusivity to Proof of Purchase skins wouldn't hurt everyone. I feel vague on whether you are for or against this, but what bothers me is that Kaioh first brought up the idea and then SOMEHOW anyone make no concrete rebuttal to it.

On 7/24/2025 at 2:23 AM, cybers2001 said:

If you’re talking about just buying and flipping assets, then… that’s sort of unavoidable? Anything that has monetary value driven by demand and scarcity can be flipped. Removing the value of assets just to spite scalpers is a bit extreme.

Absolutely agree. The fact that the Forum boys prioritize “Damaging the scalpers(and scalpers only took a tiny hit with just a small fraction of their inventory losing value)”over “Respecting the fans who shelled out big money for skins or Klei” shows just how degraded this community has become.

Edited July 25, 2025 by SilverSpoon

[Kaioh]

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

Even now, non-reprint skins have a "Proof of Purchase" tag, and adding a little bit of exclusivity to Proof of Purchase skins wouldn't hurt everyone. I feel vague on whether you are for or against this, but what bothers me is that Kaioh first brought up the idea and then SOMEHOW there has been no concrete rebuttal to it.

Absolutely agree. The fact that the Forum boys prioritize “Damaging the scalpers(and scalpers only took a tiny hit with just a small fraction of their inventory losing value)”over “Respecting the fans who shelled out big money for skins or Klei” shows just how degraded this community has become.

Current exclusivity of proof of purchase vs resurrected is lower than even timeless vs loyal as their rarity color is the same. I feel like the in-game glow/sparkle effect and a better looking rarity color are not that demanding to ask as an alternative if people are that opposed to price increases.

Klei's response has been lackluster so far, it's just radio silence and releasing more merch with exclusive skins, this raises doubts about their seriousness

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

Even now, non-reprint skins have a "Proof of Purchase" tag, so adding more little bit of exclusivity to Proof of Purchase skins wouldn't hurt everyone. I feel vague on whether you are for or against this, but what bothers me is that Kaioh first brought up the idea and then SOMEHOW anyone make no concrete rebuttal to it.

Because not everybody is going to want to use the alternate version, since that isn't what they bought. So Klei will have to let you toggle the effect, which means even more work to please a small handful of players.

They could add a way to check the rarity of a skin when examining it. But of course that would require people to actually care enough in the first place to bother to check. (Spoiler: Nobody else cares.)

Edited July 25, 2025 by Bumber64

[SilverSpoon]

13 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Because not everybody is going to want to use the alternate version, since that isn't what they bought. So Klei will have to let you toggle the effect, which means even more work to please a small handful of players.

This can be solved by dividing it into "Resurrected Skin" and "Proof of Purchase Skin" and giving the Resurrected Skin to people who have the Proof of Purchase Skin. And I've already written about that.

On 7/23/2025 at 10:42 PM, SilverSpoon said:

I think giving the OG Proof of Purchase skins a special effect (and giving them the regular version to switch between)

[cybers2001]

6 hours ago, Maxposting said:

My point is that these human behaviours are actively exploited by gaming companies - having people worry about exclusivities to the point of wanting to gatekeep out less fortunate people is not healthy, let alone what entertainment should be.

Well, you should just come out and say it, honestly -- That you are resentful that Klei went the path of micro-transactions. I know people had been at the time, but if this is the only reason we are still getting active updates for DST, then what would you prefer?

You can also argue that violence in video games is not healthy, but that's not exactly a new subject.

Edited July 25, 2025 by cybers2001

[Maxposting]

30 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

That you are resentful that Klei went the path of micro-transactions.

I do dislike it, but I understand the actual economic pressures of keeping the lights on under capitalism.

Klei is far from the most predatory, but the time exclusives and merchandise skins are certainly there.

30 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

You can also argue that violence in video games is not healthy, but that's not exactly a new subject.

Violence in video games doesn't compel people to obsess over a virtual collection. (Or hurt others for that matter.)

Not sure what this argument is meant to be.

Edited July 25, 2025 by Maxposting

[viblym]

WHY DOES THIS HAVE 5 PAGES OF COMMENTS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING

[Johnny_Waffles]

30 minutes ago, viblym said:

WHY DOES THIS HAVE 5 PAGES OF COMMENTS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING

People prob only read the title and disagreed so it started another argument about this

[hhh2]

On 7/24/2025 at 10:51 PM, Kaioh said:

Pink winter hats already seem to struggle extremely hard to sell and that's despite collector interest

The attractiveness of the skin does influence its desirability.  It's a factor even among the exclusive skins.  I think there will not be any push to free those sprites.

Kaioh, I think it's decided that their decision is to go ahead with the 20% MSRP.  What I am waiting to see is what will arise when those newer Yoozoo skins release.  I think it would be most insulting to collectors if Klei makes those exclusive and would show ignorance of this thread and players who end up buying merch.

Perhaps they could sell the skin alongside the physical merchandise, but doing so would defeat the purpose of associating it with the merchandise in the first place, so I am intrigued at Klei's next decision relating to this topic.

 

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

How do you think capitalism came to be?

I think it begins as a barterer economy.  We have wants and skills or items that we have collected or crafted, so supply and demand is apparent.  Capitalism can take form after a currency is established. One with special skills or items that can cater to a demand at a price they feel the buyer will tolerate.  If unregulated and with constant demand or under a commodity with inelastic demand, he can gather much money, creating wealth inequality naturally by the demands of his buyers. Capitalism is the most organic economic system.  It is not the most moral.  

(Do trust me, I like the concept of all our labor being equal and living in a harmonious egalitarian society, but if a man ventures, stumbles upon and stakes claim to oil reserves and we need to heat our homes and fuel our cars and he profits because of our demands, what emotion would compel him to release the labor value in our cash we have given him?  In capitalist systems, charities and other philanthropy is not uncommon of the super rich.  A regime that would claim the oil reserve for the good of the people would be OK if we weren't temped to be greedy and if the authority of the regime didn't enrich themselves covertly or if it wouldn't demotivate innovation, invention, and exploration.  The fault of socialist systems is ourselves.)

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

Again, you default to an eternal human nature on the edge of reality to explain why people purchase artificially scarce goods, not realizing the argument was against these speculative practices.

Like how I am not in favour of capitalism, I am not in favour of these speculative practices.  However my opinion is, it does not change those facts of human nature.

 

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

My point is that these human behaviours are actively exploited by gaming companies - having people worry about exclusivities to the point of wanting to gatekeep out less fortunate people is not healthy, let alone what entertainment should be.

And I agree.  Do you agree with my point that

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One fact is that if you introduce scarcity value into a market, you can't take it out easily.  It's a permanent addition, cuz otherwise, this show happens!

To elaborate, when collectors come about and prize items that were decided at a time to be exclusive, the path to erase that exclusivity will hurt those collectors that were invited by that decision.  Klei had made that decision and are on the path. 
 

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

why do you think fossil fuels are still greatly used instead of renewables?

Because of the expensive infrastructure.  And the public's fear of nuclear reactors does not help the cause.

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

There is enough development in science and industry that this no longer has to be the case, and yet there are rich oligarchs hellbent on continuing these destructive processes simply because it is profitable short-term even despite it limiting humanity's development.

While it's against the interests of oil and I do not disagree that there are its lobbies that will contest any change, I believe that humanity keeps polluting because of the expense of the infrastructure of clean energy.  It's not possible to even convince the public that global warming is real or let them fathom the magnitude and seriousness of the problem.

On 7/25/2025 at 9:43 AM, Maxposting said:

I doubt you have any reason to want pay ever-so-rising prices of electricity when objectively, you don't have to.

That is all of our fears.  Though we do have to, because polluting the atmosphere isn't working out for Earth.  It requires some proportion of energy to return the CO2 into Earth, which we don't want to pay for.  I see one feasible solution which is to change our lifestyles and to use less energy.  But I know about the tragedy of the commons and I know that will never happen.

 

On 7/25/2025 at 11:53 AM, SilverSpoon said:

SOMEHOW anyone make no concrete rebuttal to it.

Reading is less natural than recognizing shape and color.  This is why there is desire over exclusive skins but not those exclusive titles that became of Heirloom distinguished.  As such skins are more useful and attractive than the tag, and so introducing some colorful effect is against Klei's aim of sprite freedom.  I think this is no resolution to the existent problem of exclusivity.  The resolution is to destroy collectors and exclusivity along with it.  I feel for collectors, but this is the warpath.

On 7/25/2025 at 11:53 AM, SilverSpoon said:

feel vague on whether you are for or against this

I like all DST players.  Many savored memories I have come from pubs I played in DST.  so I don't want to see anybody at a loss.  Collectors are DST players, so I don't want to see them lose.  @Kaioh provoked many by naming the advocates for the erasure of skin exclusivity "entitled", but assuming Klei is buckling to the demands of the player base rather than acting on their account, I can't see any way else can those advocates be described when Klei made those skins exclusive in the first place.

On 8/1/2025 at 2:04 AM, viblym said:

WHY DOES THIS HAVE 5 PAGES OF COMMENTS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING

This topic is interesting.  Hopefully mods don't lock it.  Everything I write here is in good faith, and I am assuming the same others ITT.

 

Edited August 2, 2025 by hhh2

[Kaioh]

3 hours ago, hhh2 said:

Kaioh, I think it's decided that their decision is to go ahead with the 20% MSRP.  What I am waiting to see is what will arise when those newer Yoozoo skins release.  I think it would be most insulting to collectors if Klei makes those exclusive and would show ignorance of this thread and players who end up buying merch.

Unfortunately you might be right, though I'm not convinced it will be 20% MSRP value due to existing disparities between crabpack and meepsack, where crabpack is around 28.5% value and meepsack is 33.34%, which gives me the vibes $10 is the standard here. RIP owners of calico chester chest, which resurrected will be only 16.67% MSRP. Ironically enough though, if they resurrect funko pop skins, they will be 100% MSRP with the previously established rules, since the funko pop figures sold for $10 each initially on Amazon.

Klei's response to criticism is radio silence and more proof of purchase skins. There are 2 new youtooz skins from Wickerbottom and WX-78, 6 chinese exclusive skins tied to blind box figures (though they are visible on steam through mods) and one brand new sisturn skin which is currently WIP (and it's not clear what it will be attached to yet) as shown in this thread:

This amounts to 9 brand new proof of purchase skins, which is a 50% increase from the previous 18 (if we include the 4 funko pop skins, 10 Klei shop skins and the first 4 youtooz skins) to 27 in just this year. I frankly no longer have faith in a good resolution to this problem, Klei has made it clear they don't care for integrity and would rather rip players off

 

[Maxposting]

On 8/1/2025 at 3:04 AM, viblym said:

WHY DOES THIS HAVE 5 PAGES OF COMMENTS WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING

You literally were the one that revived the thread.

As for hhh2, they have not looked at the history of capitalism's emergence as a worldwide system and ascribe that it's somehow the most "natural" system fit for humans despite its literal destructivity and irrational wastage, either they haven't heard of/ignore primitive communism - obviously not the one people usually propose - which has existed for much longer than capitalism has.

Then they are just forced to a band-aid solution to hold all that drivel together, so they sigh and pessimistically wave away that people don't want to live better lives and rather ignore the climate or imperialist wars, what an insult to anyone, really.

(Not to mention ignoring that objectively a few people do have the actual means to do so, but the totally rational and clearly stable market and profiteering would rather destroy lives than be forced to work for the common democratic good.)

Edited August 2, 2025 by Maxposting
correction

[lowercase skye]

6 hours ago, Kaioh said:

RIP owners of calico chester chest, which resurrected will be only 16.67% MSRP.

I'm an owner of the Calico Chester Chest and I think they should break the pattern and sell it for 5 dollars actually.

[cybers2001]

I am also an owner of the Calico Chester Chest. The plushy is nice quality but I would almost certainly never buy another physical merch again if I know I can just wait for the skin to drop to $5 in the future.

[lowercase skye]

I am also also an owner of the Calico Chester Chest. I bought physical merch just yesterday because I wanted the physical merch, and I'll also probably get multiple years of skin exclusivity. Very nice!

Edited August 2, 2025 by lowercase skye

[Ugur01]

People who bought the plush or the figures have already had the skins for a long time. I think now they can open them to everyone. To buy a product from klei shop I have to pay 45 dollars shipping + customs fee.

Youtooz does not ship to my country. I don't see a problem with them being added 1 year after they go on sale. Even now we only have 2 and it doesn't look like a new one will be added soon. It will probably take longer.

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I remember you have most of the proof of purchase skins, can you confirm if the trident skin appears when you give the trident to the merm king? I would be happy  @Kaioh

Edited August 3, 2025 by Ugur01
Added more hyphens

[viblym]

4 hours ago, Ugur01 said:

I remember you have most of the proof of purchase skins, can you confirm if the trident skin appears when you give the trident to the merm king? I would be happy  @Kaioh

Nope sadly

[Kaioh]

8 hours ago, lowercase skye said:

I'm an owner of the Calico Chester Chest and I think they should break the pattern and sell it for 5 dollars actually.

Hey, that's better than selling it for 2 dollars. That's progress

Edited August 3, 2025 by Kaioh