About the rebirth of the mandrake backpack

[Damlet.]

Non-paying players: Not bad.

Paying Players: Meh, no big deal. Bought it early, enjoyed it early.

Scalpers/resellers: Totally backstabbed! Boycott!

[Johnny_Waffles]

1 hour ago, RexySeven said:

 

You're right! It needs to fit modern gaming industry standard after all, 90$ for a single skin will do!

Its especially expensive for dont starve since for 20 bucks i can get every gorge or forge skin

[RexySeven]

2 hours ago, Damlet. said:

Non-paying players: Not bad.

Paying Players: Meh, no big deal. Bought it early, enjoyed it early.

Scalpers/resellers: Totally backstabbed! Boycott!

Only people I can relate to being "backstabbed" are the ones that bought these codes or skins for inflated re-sold prices in past few months. 
Although, it's kinda their fault for being unaware or not following news/update blogs for the game they are about to spend ludicrous amount of money on. 
But I suppose, if that transaction happened before the retired skins announcement then it's just unfortunate series of events. 
At least you get unique item rarity to show, it got to have some bragging rights and value, I guess.

[Dragonboooorn]

why would anyone pay so much money for a backpack skin? Catcoon carryall is there and free, plus youll use pig/krampus back later anyway

[gaymime]

15 hours ago, Kaioh said:

Klei is the one making these decisions, not the buyers. They have decided merch would have exclusive skins, not the buyers. It is extremely foolish to assume there won't be people who will then buy the merch just for the skins only instead of the merch. Naturally these people want to protect their investments, because they did not buy a product only for its digital component (the relevant part to them) to become ridiculously cheap later. I really don't know why do some people (not pointing fingers at anyone specific here) keep trying to gaslight them into thinking that they're wrong for wanting to protect these investments. Making investments go bad is a dangerous thing to play with that could really hurt the company, hence the importance of fair compromises between all parties in situations like these, more people need to understand this so the game can survive for longer.

it sounds to me like it is just a better idea to not gamble your money on toys and hope they pay out. none of what you are talking about has anything to do with klei. it is a very corrupted idea that the value of a thing is solely monetary and that companies have a contract with the buyer to make sure the buyer can make a profit at any point in the future. that is just plain nonsense. these arent stocks they are toys. you buy them because you want them not because you want to make a profit, this is a major reason the comic books crash happened.

 

i will reiterate my original statement; people who complain about the resell value have no place at the table to talk about this. they do not have the interests of the community in mind and openly harm the community to serve themselves

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

why would anyone pay so much money for a backpack skin? Catcoon carryall is there and free, plus youll use pig/krampus back later anyway

desire mostly. personally i find the price to be way too high but i am not the market for these and paid a heck of a lot more than that myself x'''D i will admit i mostly only use krampus sack in solo ds and when moving large loads during basebuilding just because i adore my meepsack. it is also good if you play pubs since krampus is a pain to get/fight super early in a world that may be over-picked on resources

Edited June 16, 2025 by gaymime

[Dragonboooorn]

12 minutes ago, gaymime said:

it sounds to me like it is just a better idea to not gamble your money on toys and hope they pay out. none of what you are talking about has anything to do with klei. it is a very corrupted idea that the value of a thing is solely monetary and that companies have a contract with the buyer to make sure the buyer can make a profit at any point in the future. that is just plain nonsense. these arent stocks they are toys. you buy them because you want them not because you want to make a profit, this is a major reason the comic books crash happened.

 

i will reiterate my original statement; people who complain about the resell value have no place at the table to talk about this. they do not have the interests of the community in mind and openly harm the community to serve themselves

 

 

 

desire mostly. personally i find the price to be way too high but i am not the market for these and paid a heck of a lot more than that myself x'''D i will admit i mostly only use krampus sack in solo ds and when moving large loads during basebuilding just because i adore my meepsack. it is also good if you play pubs since krampus is a pain to get/fight super early in a world that may be over-picked on resources

Understandable. I would pay real money for black winter hat, cuz it comed with matching black ugly sweater

[Kaioh]

1 hour ago, gaymime said:

it sounds to me like it is just a better idea to not gamble your money on toys and hope they pay out. none of what you are talking about has anything to do with klei. it is a very corrupted idea that the value of a thing is solely monetary and that companies have a contract with the buyer to make sure the buyer can make a profit at any point in the future. that is just plain nonsense. these arent stocks they are toys. you buy them because you want them not because you want to make a profit, this is a major reason the comic books crash happened.

 

i will reiterate my original statement; people who complain about the resell value have no place at the table to talk about this. they do not have the interests of the community in mind and openly harm the community to serve themselves

I'm not sure if you're replying to the right person? Because I'm fully on board with the idea that these skins should not be resold by buyers at exorbitant fees on 3rd party websites, as this is against Klei rules

[gaymime]

 

56 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

I'm not sure if you're replying to the right person? Because I'm fully on board with the idea that these skins should not be resold by buyers at exorbitant fees on 3rd party websites, as this is against Klei rules

i replied to you because of this part;

2 hours ago, gaymime said:

I really don't know why do some people (not pointing fingers at anyone specific here) keep trying to gaslight them into thinking that they're wrong for wanting to protect these investments. Making investments go bad is a dangerous thing to play with that could really hurt the company,

it assumes these things being sold =are= investments which they are not. they aren't sold to be investments and come with no guarantee of having a market value let alone having a same or greater market value at a later date. they are not being sold with the intent of being resold again which is how one would cash-out a non-perishable investment.

[Bumber64]

15 hours ago, Kaioh said:

If you don't find anything wrong with Klei making a $60 item worth $2 then you clearly don't understand the situation at all and the negative consequences such a move would have both on the players and the company as a whole 

Who determined the price at $60 to begin with? It's dishonest to keep pretending Klei woke up one day and decided to sell a really expensive skin.

[Kaioh]

5 hours ago, gaymime said:

 

i replied to you because of this part;

it assumes these things being sold =are= investments which they are not. they aren't sold to be investments and come with no guarantee of having a market value let alone having a same or greater market value at a later date. they are not being sold with the intent of being resold again which is how one would cash-out a non-perishable investment.

Nah, I'm not supporting resellers, my only gripe is very weak prices on successor skins to the most prestigious skins in the entire game, but I wouldn't argue those should reach 100% MSRP, let alone surpass it. I liked the funko pop solution better in the short term, as people could choose their own prices and thus sell them reasonably, but now due to dwindling supplies and inflation, these skins have reached absurd prices, so I no longer like this solution either.

4 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

Who determined the price at $60 to begin with? It's dishonest to keep pretending Klei woke up one day and decided to sell a really expensive skin.

Klei introduced these skins to combat counterfeiters, as counterfeiters can't grant in-game boons, hence verifying authentic purchases, and people kept complaining about crappy merch which wasn't actually Klei's. If they were really that noble as you keep pretending them to be, they could've just slapped random, easily obtainable, in-game skins like they did with the regular winter hats (and now they also have the option of giving klei point codes), yet they didn't and went on with the exclusivity, so the blame is really on them with this one, so stop trying to clear them of the things for which they take full responsibility

[Bumber64]

5 hours ago, Kaioh said:

Klei introduced these skins to combat counterfeiters, as counterfeiters can't grant in-game boons, hence verifying authentic purchases, and people kept complaining about crappy merch which wasn't actually Klei's. If they were really that noble as you keep pretending them to be, they could've just slapped random, easily obtainable, in-game skins like they did with the regular winter hats (and now they also have the option of giving klei point codes), yet they didn't and went on with the exclusivity, so the blame is really on them with this one, so stop trying to clear them of the things for which they take full responsibility

The utility of the anti-counterfeiting measure kind of ends when you stop selling the product, doesn't it? So you've explained the reason why they're bundled together, but still haven't pieced together why that implies the skin isn't a significant part of the MSRP.

It's like trying to sell a certificate of authenticity for a painting without the painting itself. Sure, the cert looks very official framed on a wall, but it's still just a license. They're free to sell replica certificates for whatever aesthetic value they hold. Apportioning to the value of whatever they used to sell it with is dumb because they aren't linked to each other anymore.

Edited June 17, 2025 by Bumber64

[Kaioh]

24 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

The utility of the anti-counterfeiting measure kind of ends when you stop selling the product, doesn't it? So you've explained the reason why they're bundled together, but still haven't pieced together why that implies the skin isn't a significant part of the MSRP.

It's like trying to sell a certificate of authenticity for a painting without the painting itself. Sure, the cert looks very official framed on a wall, but it's still just a license. They're free to sell replica certificates for whatever aesthetic value they hold. Apportioning to the value of whatever they used to sell it with is dumb because they aren't linked to each other anymore.

This is a false equivalence fallacy, the exclusive in-game skins hold a functional value in allowing people to reskin respective items to the associated design, what's the point behind some standalone certificate to a painting? The skins stand on their own, these certificates don't.

The resurrected skins are direct successors to the proof of purchase skins, hence Klei's statements regarding not wanting to disrupt their inherent value.

[Bumber64]

24 minutes ago, Kaioh said:

This is a false equivalence fallacy, the exclusive in-game skins hold a functional value in allowing people to reskin respective items to the associated design, what's the point behind some standalone certificate to a painting? The skins stand on their own, these certificates don't.

The resurrected skins are direct successors to the proof of purchase skins, hence Klei's statements regarding not wanting to disrupt their inherent value.

As I said, the certificate looks nice on a wall, and is worth the paper it's printed on, the wax seal, etc. The "skin" is a license to use a digital good that is already downloaded on your computer (for multiplayer reasons). Even more specifically, it's the right to change an item without needing someone else to use the clean sweeper for you. You aren't being delivered a personal copy of the aesthetic skin in question for the money spent.

So what is the functional value, in USD, of the ability to do so with a given skin? There are plenty of equally nice skins that are bundled together such that they cost fractions of a dollar. If exclusivity is the predominant factor, then Klei should sell a line of Bored Prime Mate skins at a premium.

Edited June 17, 2025 by Bumber64

[Kaioh]

42 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

As I said, the certificate looks nice on a wall, and is worth the paper it's printed on, the wax seal, etc. The "skin" is a license to use a digital good that is already downloaded on your computer (for multiplayer reasons). Even more specifically, it's the right to change an item without needing someone else to use the clean sweeper for you. You aren't being delivered a personal copy of the aesthetic skin in question for the money spent.

So what is the functional value, in USD, of the ability to do so with a given skin? There are plenty of equally nice skins that are bundled together such that they cost fractions of a dollar. If exclusivity is the predominant factor, then Klei should sell a line of Bored Prime Mate skins at a premium.

Klei sends you nice cards with the merch which contain the codes, they look very nice and fancy too (well, glommer is an exception, his associated card is a cosmetic and the code is instead pasted on a shipping slip). If anything, these certificates are more comparable to these cards once they're used, as opposed to skins which grant you unlimited reskinning powers in any DST world, even official servers.

Skin bundles contain low rarity skins, that's why they're so cheap to get. Proof of purchase skins are by far the highest rarity skins in the entire game, surpassing even the time-exclusive Timeless rarity, this is because getting them is that expensive and/or difficult, so again, not a fair comparison

[Bumber64]

15 hours ago, Kaioh said:

Klei sends you nice cards with the merch which contain the codes, they look very nice and fancy too (well, glommer is an exception, his associated card is a cosmetic and the code is instead pasted on a shipping slip). If anything, these certificates are more comparable to these cards once they're used, as opposed to skins which grant you unlimited reskinning powers in any DST world, even official servers.

Skin bundles contain low rarity skins, that's why they're so cheap to get. Proof of purchase skins are by far the highest rarity skins in the entire game, surpassing even the time-exclusive Timeless rarity, this is because getting them is that expensive and/or difficult, so again, not a fair comparison

You're dicing up the metaphor now. You used to get the merch, card, and digital rights. Now you only get digital rights.

I presume they also assigned a different rarity to the rerun of skins? If that's the case, you certainly can't use the rarity argument.

[Bumber64]

I guess Klei better get to designing some Timeless Bored Wonkey NFT skins, then. They can do a rerun of a different rarity later, but it's important to buy early for the full value.

Edited June 18, 2025 by Bumber64

[cropo]

On 6/14/2025 at 4:05 PM, gaymime said:

i own these skins. you are right; i am not putting myself in the shoes of scammers. i am in the shoes of someone who bought the mandrake and bought the crab 5 and 4 years ago. i am in the shoes of someone who bought the merch at the high price because he wanted to have these items and is happy he bought his favourite skins when he could and is happy more people can buy them now more reasonably(and happy there is a free version of these skins too!). 

you cannot invoke my sympathy for scalping. i have been in the games ecosystem since 1992.  strangling people's ability to buy things wont make them want it less and having sympathy for those who make it worse by snatching up the desired items then ransoming it for a much higher price is rubbish.

I have not bought any plushie skins but I did buy the rose spear from the steam market before Klei started selling the skins themselves. I think I paid 50$ for it, it was the only one available at the time. I also paid 20-30$ for various roseate skins, which were impossible to buy legitimately and could only be obtained through the daily skin drops at a VERY rare rate.

I have absolutely no regrets or frustration seeing Klei put them up for sale on their own store and highly encourage it. The money for skins should go towards Klei and supporting the game, not towards merchants who maliciously game the market and ruin things for everyone. I think it was during the first Forge event where they started putting skins in the store instead of solely relying on RNG and it was a good day when they did.

[Kaioh]

31 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

You're dicing up the metaphor now. You used to get the merch, card, and digital rights. Now you only get digital rights.

I presume they also assigned a different rarity to the rerun of skins? If that's the case, you certainly can't use the rarity argument.

Resurrected skin rarity is still above timeless, so it's still the second highest in the game after proof of purchase.

22 minutes ago, milsonmeow said:

Correct.

I think the funniest thing about this argument was skin rarity barely matters, as seen with the Funko Pops figures' skins. Those were ELEGANT-tiered, not Proof of Purchase whatsoever.

Funko Pops were proof of purchase initially though, they were demoted later to elegant to allow legitimate trading on steam marketplace, only reason for their demotion

[Kaioh]

2 minutes ago, milsonmeow said:

Dude, there's literally no difference in timeless-tier and loyal-tier for Tragic Torch and Ancient Cane/Chest; be it visually or yadda yadda yadda. Same with Heirloom-tier vs. literally every other Elegant/Distinguished.

At this rate Klei should just set ALL skins to common and you will still find a way to yap about it.

you mean THIS absolutely "legit worth it" trading?????

 

Umm, yes, I would complain if skins were set to regular rarity after years of maintaining status quo with skin exclusivity. If they really wanted an egalitarian society, they should've just never introduced the skin rarity to begin with and make everything available whenever for cheap.

Also the trading was pretty reasonable in the beginning, it has only gotten out of hand much later due to inflation and dwindling supplies. I don't really like the current trading system so I don't get your angle here

[gaymime]

2 hours ago, Kaioh said:

maintaining status quo with skin exclusivity.

YIKES!

[cropo]

A lesson to be learned here. Do not invest heavily on ingame exclusives to sell at a higher price with one of the more generous companies out there.

[Kaioh]

2 hours ago, gaymime said:

YIKES!

I mean that's what Klei has been doing for ages, you can't tell me otherwise. They introduced different rarities, assigned different price tags and kept it for years. Naturally a sudden massive value/rarity crash would cause mass upset among people. Nobody would've cared if there was no such system in the first place, as there would have been no massive expectations to begin with

[cropo]

I'm all for making every item common. Honestly if I had it my way I would also add every streaming item to the ingame store so I don't have to watch or put a stream on idle to get the skins.

[Johnny_Waffles]

4 minutes ago, cropo said:

I'm all for making every item common. Honestly if I had it my way I would also add every streaming item to the ingame store so I don't have to watch or put a stream on idle to get the skins.

There's Klei points but that does take time to amass them depending on how many points there giving 

[cropo]

44 minutes ago, Johnny_Waffles said:

There's Klei points but that does take time to amass them depending on how many points there giving 

That and they often take a long time to update what is available to buy.