psusi Posted May 1, 2025 Share Posted May 1, 2025 I'm trying out the new Ceres world in the expansion pack. So far it has been interesting, but I have hit a bit of a roadblock. I need liquid polluted water to use as coolant to start running the metal refinery, so I thought I would upgrade the outhouse and wash basins to lavatories and sinks, since just the wash basins produce polluted water slowly. I figured if I used insulated pipes to keep the warm water coming out of the lavatories from freezing in the pipes, and put a reservoir on an insulated tile, it would be fine. The water in the wash basins does not freeze, but when I upgraded an outhouse to a lavatory, the water sitting inside it began to freeze. Why are the contents of the wash basin isolated, but not the lavatory? How else can you generate liquid polluted water to bootstrap the metal refinery? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted May 2, 2025 Share Posted May 2, 2025 I completely ignored pwater and used naphta. Nectar into plastic and melted 3 tempshift plates. Still using outhouses btw Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurendra Posted May 2, 2025 Share Posted May 2, 2025 Ceres has easy access to nectar. Nectar is OP as coolant, much better than pWater Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberwarlord Posted May 2, 2025 Share Posted May 2, 2025 18 hours ago, psusi said: I'm trying out the new Ceres world in the expansion pack. So far it has been interesting, but I have hit a bit of a roadblock. I need liquid polluted water to use as coolant to start running the metal refinery, so I thought I would upgrade the outhouse and wash basins to lavatories and sinks, since just the wash basins produce polluted water slowly. I figured if I used insulated pipes to keep the warm water coming out of the lavatories from freezing in the pipes, and put a reservoir on an insulated tile, it would be fine. The water in the wash basins does not freeze, but when I upgraded an outhouse to a lavatory, the water sitting inside it began to freeze. Why are the contents of the wash basin isolated, but not the lavatory? How else can you generate liquid polluted water to bootstrap the metal refinery? Any liquid will work for the refinery. The heat gain is based on the material. Just find something that won't freeze and use it to start warming the base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted May 2, 2025 Share Posted May 2, 2025 27 minutes ago, cyberwarlord said: Just find something that won't freeze and use it to start warming the base I wouldn't try to warm up a Ceres start. Ceres is not Rime. You want everything to be super cold, else everything will stifle or die. Despite being a cold start, I find it requires more cooling than the other starting options. That's if you wanna keep using native critters and plants ofc, and not just turn your base... into a normal base, with a different very early game. Which to me.. is not that appealing. That's why I find naphta to be better than Nectar in a metal refinery on Ceres, since I'm gonna redirect all that heat into tuned steam turbines. Nectar can't go over 200 °C, while naphta is just awesome. And you can get it early on Ceres Minor, even if there's no oil biome. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberwarlord Posted May 2, 2025 Share Posted May 2, 2025 1 hour ago, 6Havok9 said: I wouldn't try to warm up a Ceres start. Ceres is not Rime. You want everything to be super cold, else everything will stifle or die. Despite being a cold start, I find it requires more cooling than the other starting options. That's if you wanna keep using native critters and plants ofc, and not just turn your base... into a normal base, with a different very early game. Which to me.. is not that appealing. That's why I find naphta to be better than Nectar in a metal refinery on Ceres, since I'm gonna redirect all that heat into tuned steam turbines. Nectar can't go over 200 °C, while naphta is just awesome. And you can get it early on Ceres Minor, even if there's no oil biome. True, I should say use the refiner as a heat source and pull from it as needed. Keeping plumbing warm enough etc. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted May 2, 2025 Author Share Posted May 2, 2025 3 hours ago, 6Havok9 said: I wouldn't try to warm up a Ceres start. Ceres is not Rime. You want everything to be super cold, else everything will stifle or die. Despite being a cold start, I find it requires more cooling than the other starting options. That's if you wanna keep using native critters and plants ofc, and not just turn your base... into a normal base, with a different very early game. Which to me.. is not that appealing. That's why I find naphta to be better than Nectar in a metal refinery on Ceres, since I'm gonna redirect all that heat into tuned steam turbines. Nectar can't go over 200 °C, while naphta is just awesome. And you can get it early on Ceres Minor, even if there's no oil biome. Hrm... Interesting. I was planning to avoid heating the base and instead use the heat to melt a neighboring biome that is just full of ice and polluted ice to get lots of water. I also haven't found a bonbon tree yet. I guess I'm just too used to using pwater that I didn't even consider using normal water. It should work just fine, I just have to keep a closer eye on the temperature to let it cool off enough, but not too much that it freezes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted May 3, 2025 Author Share Posted May 3, 2025 Do bonbon trees just take longer to grow the branches but still produce nectar just as fast when wild instead of domesticated? So it makes no sense to waste snow growing them domestically? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigin Posted May 3, 2025 Share Posted May 3, 2025 1 hour ago, psusi said: Do bonbon trees just take longer to grow the branches but still produce nectar just as fast when wild instead of domesticated? So it makes no sense to waste snow growing them domestically? no, they produce 4x less nectar Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1814913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurendra Posted May 4, 2025 Share Posted May 4, 2025 On 5/3/2025 at 9:36 PM, psusi said: Do bonbon trees just take longer to grow the branches but still produce nectar just as fast when wild instead of domesticated? So it makes no sense to waste snow growing them domestically? 100% lighted wild bonbon produces 20kg per cycle, while domesticated - 80kg per cycle. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1815034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psusi Posted May 4, 2025 Author Share Posted May 4, 2025 Man that is a lot of water consumption for something that seems to only have a niche use. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1815062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberwarlord Posted May 4, 2025 Share Posted May 4, 2025 4 hours ago, psusi said: Man that is a lot of water consumption for something that seems to only have a niche use. Pincha pepper plants. Though, it gives good reason to go gmo early. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1815080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asurendra Posted May 5, 2025 Share Posted May 5, 2025 12 hours ago, psusi said: Man that is a lot of water consumption for something that seems to only have a niche use. Easy and fast plastic. Second best coolant in game. IMHO, worth some water costs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/165571-frozen-world-metal-refinery-bootstrap/#findComment-1815092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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