Will Wendy skilltree be reviewed in the next update like Wolfgang was?

[Dingle]

2 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

 

• Even if you consume elixir, make sure Abigail doesn't die, kill mobs at hand every few seconds, and fight at night or limit Abigail healing, she still can't reach Wolfgang's DPS. Considering that she is a combat character, AoE is already widespread among characters, Wolfgang also has an AoE of 42.5/hit, and another combat character, Winona, can output DPS of "catapult x 120", I don't think DPS is 

She can reach 15% more top end dps than wolfgang. 15% less if Wolf is fighting something opposite his alignment. This is lower, in practice. But in any case, Wendy is in the category of "around Wolfgang damage".

If you want Wendy to do "Winona with enlightened shard catapults" damage, I don't know what to tell you lol.

[hyoton123]

I don’t think wolfgang’s dumbbells are a strong argument that he has AOE.

[Koomin]

3 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

Yes, Wendy is certainly just as strong as Woltox. And they have the same issues(The skill tree contains multiple filler, boring, or too weak skills), and need just as much grind skill tree.

I'm glad you and I can finally agree.

I actually do agree with this.  I think they are both strong, both have good skill trees, and both should not get more work.  Developer attention should be focused on new content, revamping the caves and the oceans, the biomes, making useless gear viable, etc, not revisiting these same skill trees for 6 months straight.

[Dingle]

25 minutes ago, Koomin said:

I actually do agree with this.  I think they are both strong, both have good skill trees, and both should not get more work.  Developer attention should be focused on new content, revamping the caves and the oceans, the biomes, making useless gear viable, etc, not revisiting these same skill trees for 6 months straight.

I'd have to agree. I played both Wendy and Wortox a bunch. Both of their trees seem great now on launch.

The last tweaks to Wortox, and the aoe bugnet addition to the knabsack, really helped a lot. I'd say my only last small requests for Wortox would be:

1. Soul Bastion 2 could use something extra for solo Wortox. You pretty much have to pick it for a solo nice build.

2. During soul echo, it would be nice if the vfx around Wortox changed when it was a second or two from expiring. Right now you have to have your eyes glued on the souls in inventory.

3. Cloudy Carmine still seems really bad, though I could also simply never get it, ever.

4. Being able to soul hop when on a beefalo would be great. Or at least map teleport.

Though even if I never got these, I'd be pretty happy.

[shaurun]

On 3/5/2025 at 4:04 PM, Cassielu said:

How about imagine if Wolfgang's level 3 lunar skill is Wagstaff provide a bucket of KFC, eat it will lose all of his extra damage, but gain 50% damage reduction? a skill that fishing ocean fish for temporary max strength? a skill for reskin ocean fishing rod? no longer loss sanity faster when he's in small weak form? Wolfgang will deal higher damage to a group of enemies with no regularity, but will quickly lose power against enemies outside of them, and you will have to wait for a fitness day every seven days to configure it.Oh and also no any planar damage even during that time all the players were asking for it.

This is what it looks like when Wolfgang gets Wendy's skills. and honestly this is even better, I couldn't have created anything as evil as Wendy's current skilltree even with my greatest of malice.

YES I DO think the current Wolfgang or your hypothesis is better.

You mean you don't like gestalt Abigail because you lose the ability to deal aoe? I don't know if there's smth else similar to what you described in Wendy's skill tree.

Conceptually I don't understandgestalt Abi either, but when I was fighting Klaus I thought it could be useful on this boss, since mostly I fear regular Abi will hurt deers.

[Pig Princess]

2 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

I didn't , I wouldn't have gotten mad at him if he hadn't run to steam yesterday to choke another modder, he jump in and blame the modder himself.It's not my fault.Also,I'm really curious,didn't he unfavor"using Chinese on this forum"by proposing"Set up a Chinese section inside the forum to solve all the problems"?Why did he use Chinese on steam then?

I'm not a person you are replying to, but here is the story of my evening today and why I could have been easily misunderstood just like Reiko if I left a comment there.

Around 3 hours ago I opened steam workshop as usual to check if some interesting mods released. I saw mod with "sisters" name and beautiful art of snowfallen Wendy. Since I like Wendy and I'm not satisfied with skill tree (but probably for different reason than most unsatisfied people on the forum, although it's not the point), I opened the page only to find out that it's entirely on chineese language. I usually don't bother with translation because I'm lazy and most mods usually are not interesting to me, but since beta I keep an eye on Wendy mods specifically. Also I noticed familiar profile picture of mod author and thought: "Hey, isn't it Wendy blue cap enjoyer who wanted gestalt Abigail improvements?". I disagreed with mod author position on the forums, but since I knew person was invested in Wendy I decided to check their work, especially since the coolest and the most creative ideas can be filtered from ever being posted on the forum by person themselves on the basis of being "too detached from what is reasonable to expect". I translated the text only to see that even before mod describtion mod author framed english-speaking forum users as ill-intent and to see among normal skills clearly mock skills like "bugnet recipe that costs 40 mouring glory" and "resurrecting horse of Jason" (not sure about exact translation). The latter one is actually a mock of a developer who decided to communicate with players more than anyone else, or at least the one who spoke for the sub-team that decided to communicate more. I looked through the rest of changes, and then glanced at comments and saw people calling out Reiko. At this point I translated everything, and found out that those people who claim themselves to be victims and defending party are throwing such a slur to Reiko and such remarkably xenophobia statements overall that my jaw almost dropped. It was sad to see that moderation instead of human dignity is the thing that prevents them doing it elsewhere, but what's even more important is that because language was specifically and only chineese, it looks like somebody was trying to be unnoticed by english-speaking users who could reply, but aimed to skew impression of chineese users who were not on the forums. You know what this is? Xenophobia propaganda and racism fueling. I don't want to pass through, and since target audience of this is chineese-speaking, it makes sence to use translator so undoing your painting of other people is more effective. Forums operate in english, but comment section of mods don't, so there is no contradiction. The reason why it makes sence to use english on forums even if it's not your native language is because developers speak english and because more people would understand english posts. The reason why it makes sence to use chineese in comment section is because this specific mod tries to do fishy things spicifically to chineese-speaking audience, and uses language barrier to achieve some specific goals easier. 

And just so you know. Yes, this incident pisses me off, but it's not going to make me think of chineese people worse as a whole. Unlike some people in the comments, I don't just put everyone in the same basket because they share something like language or stance on particular balance change with idiots shouting "Wendy waify" and such. Actually, I thought it was clear that "brightshade bomb" statement was about thread, not about people, and it was a silly joke. I couldn't imagine that somebody could be this insulted because of it. How would proper defence from other users even look like? How should "good not xenophobic foreigner" even theorethically comment it to both fullfill the check and not appear condescending? Wouldn't overexplaining joke and defending "just in case" look exactly as if person thought particular people are not smart or mentally stable enough to just ignore stupid joke?

[Popian]

6 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

Winona, can output DPS of "catapult x 120"

In DPS comparisons it is normal to have the same weapons as givens to isolate random factors such as resources being at different distances due to world generation. This also comes with the caveat (amongst others) that it will ignore abilities that some characters have to acquire those weapons faster.

Catapults are not normal weapons and therefore belong in their own category, but a way to give them a fairer comparison with other weapons would come from collecting data to approximate how much time it takes for "an average person" with/without mod assistance to set up and unpack a portable setup, how much time it takes to make a stationary setup and the potential cost of each new stationary setup because of one-time sources.

Of course the more you use a stationary setup the more the initial cost of it becomes negligible, but the goal is to help others with understanding the potential and limits of their options.

[aoka404]

8 hours ago, Insaginary said:

Though the rest of what you're saying is inexcusable, I kinda feel the same way about this particularly. Ideally, murdering things other than insects would be just as viable for Shadow Abigail, if not more effective, but that's just me.

Collecting a large number of small animals can be a tedious process, so Jason developed a skill called "Resurrecting Butterflies" to make it easier.

The result was to turn Wendy into a pervert who love torturing butterflies.

At the same time, he had apparently forgotten the existence of Kamps.

[Popian]

21 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

"resurrecting horse of Jason"

I think this is a reference to Depths of Duplicity dev stream where V2C demonstrated the Beefalo Gloom Bell. I don't remember if the Beefalo was named Jason, but it would be excellent foreshadowing if it was.

[aoka404]

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Though the rest of what you're saying is inexcusable

I played all the characters in the game before the skill tree update, so I can clearly feel the impact of each character's change on them after the skill tree update.

This Wendy's skill tree has always given me a sense of "Patrick's Game," as cobbling together as Frankenstein.

[Blue Tangerine]

1 hour ago, Pig Princess said:

I'm not a person you are replying to, but here is the story of my evening today and why I could have been easily misunderstood just like Reiko if I left a comment there.

Around 3 hours ago I opened steam workshop as usual to check if some interesting mods released. I saw mod with "sisters" name and beautiful art of snowfallen Wendy. Since I like Wendy and I'm not satisfied with skill tree (but probably for different reason than most unsatisfied people on the forum, although it's not the point), I opened the page only to find out that it's entirely on chineese language. I usually don't bother with translation because I'm lazy and most mods usually are not interesting to me, but since beta I keep an eye on Wendy mods specifically. Also I noticed familiar profile picture of mod author and thought: "Hey, isn't it Wendy blue cap enjoyer who wanted gestalt Abigail improvements?". I disagreed with mod author position on the forums, but since I knew person was invested in Wendy I decided to check their work, especially since the coolest and the most creative ideas can be filtered from ever being posted on the forum by person themselves on the basis of being "too detached from what is reasonable to expect". I translated the text only to see that even before mod describtion mod author framed english-speaking forum users as ill-intent and to see among normal skills clearly mock skills like "bugnet recipe that costs 40 mouring glory" and "resurrecting horse of Jason" (not sure about exact translation). The latter one is actually a mock of a developer who decided to communicate with players more than anyone else, or at least the one who spoke for the sub-team that decided to communicate more. I looked through the rest of changes, and then glanced at comments and saw people calling out Reiko. At this point I translated everything, and found out that those people who claim themselves to be victims and defending party are throwing such a slur to Reiko and such remarkably xenophobia statements overall that my jaw almost dropped. It was sad to see that moderation instead of human dignity is the thing that prevents them doing it elsewhere, but what's even more important is that because language was specifically and only chineese, it looks like somebody was trying to be unnoticed by english-speaking users who could reply, but aimed to skew impression of chineese users who were not on the forums. You know what this is? Xenophobia propaganda and racism fueling. I don't want to pass through, and since target audience of this is chineese-speaking, it makes sence to use translator so undoing your painting of other people is more effective. Forums operate in english, but comment section of mods don't, so there is no contradiction. The reason why it makes sence to use english on forums even if it's not your native language is because developers speak english and because more people would understand english posts. The reason why it makes sence to use chineese in comment section is because this specific mod tries to do fishy things spicifically to chineese-speaking audience, and uses language barrier to achieve some specific goals easier. 

And just so you know. Yes, this incident pisses me off, but it's not going to make me think of chineese people worse as a whole. Unlike some people in the comments, I don't just put everyone in the same basket because they share something like language or stance on particular balance change with idiots shouting "Wendy waify" and such. Actually, I thought it was clear that "brightshade bomb" statement was about thread, not about people, and it was a silly joke. I couldn't imagine that somebody could be this insulted because of it. How would proper defence from other users even look like? How should "good not xenophobic foreigner" even theorethically comment it to both fullfill the check and not appear condescending? Wouldn't overexplaining joke and defending "just in case" look exactly as if person thought particular people are not smart or mentally stable enough to just ignore stupid joke?

I was very surprised by your comment, I don't want to accuse you of anything, but my just-tamed anger has certainly been reignited. You're accusing a modder of "promoting xenophobia" by using Chinese, and you've ignored months of discussion on this forum about "language issues"? Is "this is an English forum, you should speak English" xenophobic? That's a patently absurd statement, and this type of behavior is just shooting first and painting a target later. Regarding Reiko, I'm not accusing him because he's Polish, what pisses me off is that he's never bothered about the fact that Chinese players are being discriminated here, but when a Chinese player comes forward to refute the discrimination he jumps in and accuses the Chinese player. He even ran to steam and accused a modder of expressing dissatisfaction and disappointment, which is suffocating.
 As well, one thing you may not be aware of is that reiko stated in his DM with me that "he didn't know the modder was from this forum", yet the mod description clearly states the author's experience and disappointment process, and those descriptions aren't even remotely abusive, yet reiko chose to say in the comments section "Only a few people are discriminating, and you know it" Isn't that rubbing salt in the modder's wounds? If he doesn't know what the modder is going through, who is he to judge then? It wasn't me who picked up a fight with him, it was him who went to steam to harrassed a modder. I only said he was Polish because he used Chinese on steam and made people mistake him for Chinese. (Which is rather odd, considering his previous suggestion to " set up a Chinese section in the forum to solve all the problems") 

[Dr. Safety]

50 minutes ago, Pig Princess said:

Actually, I thought it was clear that "brightshade bomb" statement was about thread, not about people, and it was a silly joke. I couldn't imagine that somebody could be this insulted because of it.

Earlier today I was actually wondering if the hostility on the forums was caused by a language barrier and translators not correctly recognizing figures of speech. There are several instances where something was said that was harmless, but it caused an uproar. I also realized that tweaking a couple of words in the sentence could make it offensive and hostile. Similarly, I remember some of the Chinese community seeming especially aggressive on civil topics. I can almost guarantee that they weren't intending it to come across that way. I wouldn't be surprised if the hostility lately was caused by translators making both sides sound more aggressive than they were trying to be, especially when there was a disagreement.

It really sucks to see this much resentment over a video game, so I'm just trying to find an explanation that doesn't demonize a group of people.

[Cassielu]

3 hours ago, shaurun said:

You mean you don't like gestalt Abigail because you lose the ability to deal aoe? I don't know if there's smth else similar to what you described in Wendy's skill tree.

Conceptually I don't understandgestalt Abi either, but when I was fighting Klaus I thought it could be useful on this boss, since mostly I fear regular Abi will hurt deers.

Pretty much. My main complaint is the abilities on skilltree feels unstable and uncorrelated

This skill to make her lose biggest characteristics (both advantage and disadvantage), cosplay into a mini Wolfgang with independent mightiness bar, disables a lot of Abigail's experience tricks and synergies with other skills.

And it makes itself difficult to use by locking itself into the moon cycle, repeating to the player in 20-day cycles that "can't do something well because they keeping Abigail in a normal/ gestalt from," focusing on what is lost rather than what is gained. The effort to encourage players to avoid this is simply to memorize an excel spreadsheet full of dates, schedule their own otherwise free schedule around it, and wait for time to run out -- this is neither fun nor strategic.

I don't disagree with the idea that you can't have multiple strong advantage at the same time, per se, but Gestalt Abigail definitely has a bad focus and behavior guide. Which makes me feel more like I'm getting an extra job for myself by unlock this skill, rather than I'm gaining new power.

And this felt even worse when I considered that even if I did the job perfectly, Wendy still wasn't as strong as other characters who didn't need this level much extra job, The other combat characters still have higher damage, less preparation, and lower input requirements, and the other non-combat main characters have their own functional tricks to help in the combat and still hold their non-combat benefits at same time, which makes it feels like Wendy trading everything she has for something not worth it.

 

and shadow aligned murder buff basically the same.

[Blue Tangerine]

1 hour ago, Pig Princess said:

I'm not a person you are replying to, but here is the story of my evening today and why I could have been easily misunderstood just like Reiko if I left a comment there.

Around 3 hours ago I opened steam workshop as usual to check if some interesting mods released. I saw mod with "sisters" name and beautiful art of snowfallen Wendy. Since I like Wendy and I'm not satisfied with skill tree (but probably for different reason than most unsatisfied people on the forum, although it's not the point), I opened the page only to find out that it's entirely on chineese language. I usually don't bother with translation because I'm lazy and most mods usually are not interesting to me, but since beta I keep an eye on Wendy mods specifically. Also I noticed familiar profile picture of mod author and thought: "Hey, isn't it Wendy blue cap enjoyer who wanted gestalt Abigail improvements?". I disagreed with mod author position on the forums, but since I knew person was invested in Wendy I decided to check their work, especially since the coolest and the most creative ideas can be filtered from ever being posted on the forum by person themselves on the basis of being "too detached from what is reasonable to expect". I translated the text only to see that even before mod describtion mod author framed english-speaking forum users as ill-intent and to see among normal skills clearly mock skills like "bugnet recipe that costs 40 mouring glory" and "resurrecting horse of Jason" (not sure about exact translation). The latter one is actually a mock of a developer who decided to communicate with players more than anyone else, or at least the one who spoke for the sub-team that decided to communicate more. I looked through the rest of changes, and then glanced at comments and saw people calling out Reiko. At this point I translated everything, and found out that those people who claim themselves to be victims and defending party are throwing such a slur to Reiko and such remarkably xenophobia statements overall that my jaw almost dropped. It was sad to see that moderation instead of human dignity is the thing that prevents them doing it elsewhere, but what's even more important is that because language was specifically and only chineese, it looks like somebody was trying to be unnoticed by english-speaking users who could reply, but aimed to skew impression of chineese users who were not on the forums. You know what this is? Xenophobia propaganda and racism fueling. I don't want to pass through, and since target audience of this is chineese-speaking, it makes sence to use translator so undoing your painting of other people is more effective. Forums operate in english, but comment section of mods don't, so there is no contradiction. The reason why it makes sence to use english on forums even if it's not your native language is because developers speak english and because more people would understand english posts. The reason why it makes sence to use chineese in comment section is because this specific mod tries to do fishy things spicifically to chineese-speaking audience, and uses language barrier to achieve some specific goals easier. 

And just so you know. Yes, this incident pisses me off, but it's not going to make me think of chineese people worse as a whole. Unlike some people in the comments, I don't just put everyone in the same basket because they share something like language or stance on particular balance change with idiots shouting "Wendy waify" and such. Actually, I thought it was clear that "brightshade bomb" statement was about thread, not about people, and it was a silly joke. I couldn't imagine that somebody could be this insulted because of it. How would proper defence from other users even look like? How should "good not xenophobic foreigner" even theorethically comment it to both fullfill the check and not appear condescending? Wouldn't overexplaining joke and defending "just in case" look exactly as if person thought particular people are not smart or mentally stable enough to just ignore stupid joke?

As well, I must add that what other users in the comments section say does not represent the author's own views, it's also an absurdity to accuse the author simply because you think some of the comments are malicious. Why would I be offended? Because I've seen similar situations play out over and over again, from "Wendy is traditionally feminine" to "Wendy is Chinese waifu", and the never-ending vilification of Chinese players as "Chinese Brigade",  whenever I speak out about it, the comments I get are often "Let it go, move on" or "There are irrational people on both sides of the fence" Nobody cares about the fact that this kind of discrimination hurts a whole bunch of people, and I'm sick of it. I even proposed with joew himself to ban insulting/hurting different groups of players, but nothing worked. Not to mention Bilibili's comment section, all you have to do is go to the Communicate post  before February to see how many people have expressed their expectations and suggestions for Wendy's skill tree, and yet all they've gotten in return is apathetic ignorance. I could care less about your mockery, my heart just breaks for those who insisted on making good suggestions because their goodness will never be seen, all you see is angry crowds, criticizing it as hateful and irrational, who has seen the long-standing neglect we have suffered? I've played over 2500 hours , accusing me of not loving this game is ridiculous, I wasn't malicious from the start, it's just that my patience and goodwill has now worn thin. By the way, you guys are slandering Chinese players here as "Chinese Brigade", never realizing that klei has already met the real brigade of another mod and surrendered to it .

[Koomin]

17 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

... I wasn't malicious from the start, it's just that my patience and goodwill has now worn thin

..

 

?? So you are announcing yourself to currently be malicious??

[Steorra]

8 hours ago, Koomin said:

Ok if this is what we are going with: we have an entire mountain of evidence to prove Wendy is a "Tier 1" character, even whether the player has basic knowledge of the game or not.  

You'd better give any evidence here to prove that Wendy could play a role in public server lol.

[Blue Tangerine]

16 minutes ago, Koomin said:

?? So you are announcing yourself to currently be malicious??

Does it even matter? You're going to ignore me anyway.

[yuntunhemudu]

17 minutes ago, Koomin said:

?? So you are announcing yourself to currently be malicious??

His meaning is that he realized what he said was off topic, but he has temporarily lost patience now. Logic: Previously publishing off topic discussions has been defined as malicious behavior.

1 minute ago, yuntunhemudu said:

His meaning is that he realized what he said was off topic, but he has temporarily lost patience now. Logic: Previously publishing off topic discussions has been defined as malicious behavior.

Fortunately, this is  General discussion rather than Beta branch

[Koomin]

11 minutes ago, Steorra said:

You'd better give any evidence here to prove that Wendy could play a role in public server lol.

You made a statement and gave no evidence, then I made the same exact statement about a different character and you responded "you'd better give evidence".  What?  Regardless:

Off the top of my head:

-Every public server has at least 40% Wendy.  She is by far the most picked character in the game. It seems most people think she could play a role, and that she is pretty capable and fun if everyone is picking her.  All of these arguments that "Wendy is so weak and boring and has no role to play" make no sense given that everyone keeps playing as her.  Why would we all choose a character like that?  This pretty much makes the argument itself, but I'll keep going.

-Wendy was winning boss rushes even before her skill tree came out, beating all the other characters.  She is now much more powerful and capable than even then, and she is not even designed as a boss rushing character and has many other advantages.

-It doesn't really need much reasoning to see that having a character that can do huge area of effect damage and farm mass resources is helpful to any playthrough

-She is a huge benefit to servers at some parts of the game like bee queen, hound waves, and other stuff that makes her a valuable addition.  Often I'll join servers in spring and the whole server doesn't even have a weapon because they just all run to Abigail when hounds attack (example of how she is powerful even with little game knowledge).

 

[DVGMedia]

Wendys tree really still is boring though.  and because of that I don't think its good.
 It may solve a certain problem but it doesn't provide anything.   The only really good thing is team commands

While all the new toys are locked behind tedium I don't think Wendys tree is done untill the tedium of the affinities are removed
And give some usage to the sisturn

everyone talks about dps and such but like really all of that is in a vacuum.  Can we really not have this focused about dps? not everyone maximizes everything

[Steorra]

1 hour ago, Koomin said:

Every public server has at least 40% Wendy.

Yes, Wendy only playing the role as "newcomers and casuals who staying in base and do almost nothing" in public server. I'm glad that you could found this.

1 hour ago, Koomin said:

Wendy was winning boss rushes even before her skill tree came out,

It's very funny that you keep using this as an evidence but at the same time you keep denying what the winner said about Wendy lol.

1 hour ago, Koomin said:

It doesn't really need much reasoning to see

Yes, it doesn't really need much reasoning to see at the current stage almost half characters has AoE ability which is easier to achieve.

1 hour ago, Koomin said:

Often I'll join servers in spring and the whole server doesn't even have a weapon because they just all run to Abigail when hounds attack (example of how she is powerful even with little game knowledge).

So, you were hinting that if there's no Wendy in this server, all the players would die by hounds in the spring? Okay.

44 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

everyone talks about dps and such but like really all of that is in a vacuum.  Can we really not have this focused about dps? not everyone maximizes everything

It's more like a strategy to manipulate people to ignore other problems of Wendy's tree tbh. Similar strategy was already happened to the old Sisturn III - someone keeping criticize it and attack it, for attracting people's attention from other problems.

[Koomin]

5 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Yes, Wendy only playing the role as "newcomers and casuals who staying in base and do almost nothing" in public server. I'm glad that you could found this.

It's very funny that you keep using this as an evidence but at the same time you keep denying what the winner said about Wendy lol.

Yes, it doesn't really need much reasoning to see at the current stage almost half characters has AoE ability which is easier to achieve.

So, you were hinting that if there's no Wendy in this server, all the players would die by hounds in the spring? Okay.

It's more like a strategy to manipulate people to ignore other problems of Wendy's tree tbh. Similar strategy was already happened to the old Sisturn III - someone keeping criticize it and attack it, for attracting people's attention from other problems.

Saying that only newcomers play Wendy is a very big assumption with no basis at all, and pretty obviously wrong.  Asking for "proof" for everything everyone else says and then making statements like that that are entirely made up and wrong is weird.  It's pretty clear from the discussions over the past few months that many experienced people think Wendy is a great pick.  I think she is, and am not a newcomer, for example.

It's also pretty obviously wrong that "half the characters have easier area of effect than Wendy".  Please send videos of other characters standing still and pressing no buttons while killing dozens of hounds or spiders or monkeys.  

Lastly, regardless of what statements were made afterwards, the fact that someone played Wendy, and was able to beat every other person that was trying their hardest with other characters, shows that she is at least a very good pick for boss rushes.  Either she is very good, or the other players were really bad and unable to beat someone picking a "weak character with no role", using their "stronger characters".  That is pretty clearly not the case, and Wendy is just a good and capable character, and people can excel at all parts of the game with her, even the boss battles that are supposedly her weakness.

 

These arguments here make it pretty obvious that there is nothing wrong with Wendy or the skill tree, and the real issue is people are upset that they didn't get an invincible Abigail that kills everything for them. 

It would be really appreciated if we allowed discussion here to move on from this same thing, to actual other ways to improve this game and make the experience better, rather than complain that Wendy is weak and boring based on absolutely nothing.

[DVGMedia]

10 minutes ago, Koomin said:

These arguments here make it pretty obvious that there is nothing wrong with Wendy or the skill tree, and the real issue is people are upset that they didn't get an invincible Abigail that kills everything for them. 

is it wrong to ask for a more fun skill tree?
i know some people are asking for powercreep but like the skill tree is just boring.

[YouKnowWho142]

5 minutes ago, DVGMedia said:

is it wrong to ask for a more fun skill tree?
i know some people are asking for powercreep but like the skill tree is just boring.

Did you not think Abi was fun before though? Wendy was as popular as she was for a reason. What really makes characters like Walter or willow stand out with their skill trees is not just because they got unique skills, but because they weren’t fun prior to the skill trees. Everyone talking about how the skill tree makes Wendy boring makes very little sense when she is still the most popular character by a margin that isn’t even remotely close, and if you don’t like either affinity tied abi’s they’re at the end of the alignment skills so you can use the free point somewhere else. To me, the skill tree is what made Wendy fun for me, since her grind was too much before her skill tree and the skill tree fixed it

I’m actually really glad Wendy didn’t get a ton of crazy gameplay change skills, she did not need them and it would’ve only bloated her character, I just like that you can fine tune what already makes her fun

[DVGMedia]

16 minutes ago, Koomin said:

It's also pretty obviously wrong that "half the characters have easier area of effect than Wendy".  Please send videos of other characters standing still and pressing no buttons while killing dozens of hounds or spiders or monkeys

 

willow handles this way better than wendy ever could

1 minute ago, YouKnowWho142 said:

Did you not think Abi was fun before though? Wendy was as popular as she was for a reason. What really makes characters like Walter or willow stand out with their skill trees is not just because they got unique skills, but because they weren’t fun prior to the skill trees. Everyone talking about how the skill tree makes Wendy boring makes very little sense when she is still the most popular character by a margin that isn’t even remotely close, and if you don’t like either affinity tied abi’s they’re at the end of the alignment skills so you can use the free point somewhere else. To me, the skill tree is what made Wendy fun for me, since her grind was too much before her skill tree and the skill tree fixed it

i like abby because she was all about positioning and managing her hp.  but now its all just potions and team spirit.  Affinities are not worth the hassle they bring. And the thing is i like side grades. I like wigfrids beefalo despite it making her basekit worse. But the thing is boosts something else with the character. and wendy doesn't really have that with the tree. it is all just tedium