Ideas to rework the Perennial Altar more relevant to Wendy

[Cassielu]

The candles on the perennial Altar can receive fuel like a fire pit, providing light and heat. In addition to its regular fire fuel, it can also be fueled with mourning glory, each of which gives it 100% of its fuel value. When a candle burns, it provides effects in the light range:

Share Elixir:

Wendy can place a elixir on the altar, whenthe candle is lit all ghosts in the light range (regular Ghost, Bigspook, Abigail, Player Ghosts) and players will get the elixir effect. This elixir on the altar will not be consumed and will remain in effect as long as the candle is not extinguished.

It's different from Wraith's wreath in two points:

• Spectral Cure-All shoudn't work this way, so it cannot be place on the altar.
• Luminous Wrath and Cursed Vexation can be placed on altars, which are more powerful than Wraith's Wreath and can give their effects to the player. Luminous Wrath replaces the player's Sanity with Enlightenment, just like lunar island, and Cursed Vexation forces the player insanity, same as Nightmare Amulet

If a player uses Wraith's Wreath at the same time, they receive two Elixir effects from both Wraith's Wreath and Altar. And so is Abigail.

 

This idea is because I think the idea of "Elixir for players" deserves more exploration, currently all seven abilities are locked into one single skill, and as a balance limit costing only one insight point Wraith's Wreath had to be designed to be very difficult to use. Make it very incongruous -- the idea of "Elixir for players" has a lot of content, but doesn't bring a commensurate change to the player's experience.

And Wendy doesn't need a reskin's Meat Effigy anyway, no matter how many little features it's added. Fundamentally Wendy does not need a unique resurrection building, which has nothing to do with her outside of the character theme.

 

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

I wish resurrecting at the altar would allow players to retain their carried items

[Catapult 2.0]

This is a great idea. It can solve many problems. As the terminal of a skill branch, the Perennial Altar should not only have the effect of the Meat Effigy. The Meat Effigy is a rather obscure item, comparable to the previous Dark Lantern in terms of obscurity.

The reason for its obscurity is that players who are resurrected don't bring anything back. Players who have lost most of their equipment may be killed again on their way back to the dangerous place to retrieve their items.

[Radicaljoe]

Question, does dying as Wendy revert Abigail to level 1? If it does, maybe it could also prevent Abigail from de-leveling?

[Yifei_]

37 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said:

Question, does dying as Wendy revert Abigail to level 1? If it does, maybe it could also prevent Abigail from de-leveling?

Dying as Wendy will revert Abigail to level 1. This is a good suggestion. I also believe that after using the Perennial Altar, Abigail's level should remain unchanged, and she should be in a summoned state.

[Cassielu]

10 hours ago, Natsuki Bamboo said:

As the terminal of a skill branch, the Perennial Altar should not only have the effect of the Meat Effigy. The Meat Effigy is a rather obscure item, comparable to the previous Dark Lantern in terms of obscurity.

Well that, I prefer to remove its function as meat effigy and replace with a new function.

[Catapult 2.0]

As a resurrection skill, Wurt's Double Tail Star is not only cheaper than Wendy's Lifesaving Altar but also has the ability to teleport teammates. The difference in character design quality is really too great.

同样作为复活技能，沃托克斯的双尾星技能既比温蒂的长生祭坛便宜，还有携带队友传送的功能，角色设计质量间的差别真的是太大了

[Bumber64]

1 hour ago, Natsuki Bamboo said:

As a resurrection skill, Wurt's Double Tail Star is not only cheaper than Wendy's Lifesaving Altar but also has the ability to teleport teammates. The difference in character design quality is really too great.

You mean Wortox? Try reviving yourself with the twintail heart after you die. You can't.

It has to be used on you by someone living, like the telltale heart. Even the teleport effect is the same as the lazy deserter (with desert stones), except the heart spoils and the specific Wortox who crafted it must be alive and on the same shard for it to work. The 3 points invested in it are completely useless in solo play.

[Yaorin yon]

15 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

You mean Wortox? Try reviving yourself with the twintail heart after you die. You can't.

It has to be used on you by someone living, like the telltale heart. Even the teleport effect is the same as the lazy deserter (with desert stones), except the heart spoils and the specific Wortox who crafted it must be alive and on the same shard for it to work. The 3 points invested in it are completely useless in solo play.

Wortox can complete the entire process of the Mourning Glory Altar using just the Flesh Statue, without needing a single skill point.

Wortox also doesn't need a dead teammate to use the Sandstone and a fixed structure for teleportation. Or is your lazy deserter cheaper than air?

[Bumber64]

23 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Wortox can complete the entire process of the Mourning Glory Altar using just the Flesh Statue, without needing a single skill point.

Ah, yes, with his shaveable beard. Or his free ghostly companion who farms Splumonkeys.

23 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Wortox also doesn't need a dead teammate to use the Sandstone and a fixed structure for teleportation. Or is your lazy deserter cheaper than air?

Why a dead teammate? Deserters need any two living characters. The heart requires the specific player who crafted it to be alive, not just any Wortox.

Deserters are just one time costs like Wanda's watches and Winona's telepads. Desert stones cost eggs, which are just monster meat. The heart loses its use in multiplayer by midgame, or is never useful to begin with.

[Yaorin yon]

16 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Ah, yes, with his shaveable beard. Or his free ghostly companion who farms Splumonkeys.

Ah, indeed. I didn't realize that something so common it usually needs to be thrown into the Scaled Furnace would require a second person to obtain. Thank you for reminding me. After all, one person's trash may indeed be another person's treasure.

 

16 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Deserters are just one time costs like Wanda's watches and Winona's telepads. Desert stones cost eggs, which are just monster meat. The heart loses its use in multiplayer by midgame, or is never useful to begin with.

If you're willing to pile them up all over the world, I don't mind. I'd much rather enjoy the fun of using Wortox to help others from day one.

[Bumber64]

2 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Ah, indeed. I didn't realize that something so common it usually needs to be thrown into the Scaled Furnace would require a second person to obtain. Thank you for reminding me. After all, one person's trash may indeed be another person's treasure.

Don't mistake what's common for Wendy for what everyone else has. It's why others laugh when people say Wendy isn't a strong character.

[Yaorin yon]

5 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Don't mistake what's common for Wendy for what everyone else has. It's why others laugh when people say Wendy isn't a strong character.

Who mentioned Wendy?

Is it that you don't know how to use Wortox, or do you only turn to Wendy to vent your fragile heart when you feel ashamed...? Do I need to teach you how to admit your mistakes? Or is it your habit of laughing without thinking?

10 minutes ago, Bumber64 said:

Don't mistake what's common for Wendy for what everyone else has. It's why others laugh when people say Wendy isn't a strong character.

I don't mind if you ask me for help. Many people tend to mock things they consider trivial when they are at their most ignorant, but I won't do that to you.

[Mysterious box]

On 2/12/2025 at 7:41 PM, Cassielu said:

Wendy doesn't need a reskin's Meat Effigy anyway, no matter how many little features it's added. Fundamentally Wendy does not need a unique resurrection building, which has nothing to do with her outside of the character theme.

I kinda disagree here adding more effects on to it to make it more unique is something that should happen but a cheaper meat effigy is definitely something Wendy and other casual players could use as beard hair isn't the easiest thing for a casual player collect as at this point the safest way for them to collect beard hair at this point is to go to the entrance of the ruins since a certain king is always watch... 

[kikia]

26 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

to go to the entrance of the ruins

Black bunnymen also drop two beard hairs. If someone is eager to collect beard hairs, consider building some of their huts near the base. I think you might already know this, but perhaps find it a bit time-consuming. Trust me, it's actually quite efficient! (From a player who adores beard hair rugs.)

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, kikia said:

Black bunnymen also drop two beard hairs. If someone is eager to collect beard hairs, consider building some of their huts near the base. I think you might already know this, but perhaps find it a bit time-consuming. Trust me, it's actually quite efficient! (From a player who adores beard hair rugs.)

He might have a a few comments to share on that plan. Don't get me wrong I know we can handle it but I'm looking at this as a safer method for more casual players.

[Cassielu]

On 2/15/2025 at 12:06 AM, Mysterious box said:

I kinda disagree here adding more effects on to it to make it more unique is something that should happen but a cheaper meat effigy is definitely something Wendy and other casual players could use as beard hair isn't the easiest thing for a casual player collect as at this point the safest way for them to collect beard hair at this point is to go to the entrance of the ruins since a certain king is always watch... 

Its helpful to casual players, but not Wendy. Wendy's playstyle / perk set / skilltree don't include special need for resurrection or a feature with the same concept as resurrection that can be upgraded to this level. Instead, Abigail's ability to efficiently kill splumonkeys and her new haunt skill are reducing this need.

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, Cassielu said:

Its helpful to casual players, but not Wendy. Wendy's playstyle / perk set / skilltree don't include special need for resurrection or a feature with the same concept as resurrection that can be upgraded to this level. Instead, Abigail's ability to efficiently kill splumonkeys and her new haunt skill are reducing this need.

Casual Wendy players are not going to the ruins so I don't see how this wouldn't help Wendy players outside of specifically more experienced ones.

[Cassielu]

44 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Casual Wendy players are not going to the ruins so I don't see how this wouldn't help Wendy players outside of specifically more experienced ones.

No, I mean:

• Experienced Wendy players: Don't need it
• Casual Wendy's players: Need it
• Experienced non-Wendy players: Don't need it
• Casual non-Wendy players: Need it

The need for resurrection does not go up or down depending on player chooses Wendy or not, only up or down depending on player has experience for getting beard or not. So its unrelevant with Wendy, that said a additional resurrection item is meaningless/helpless to this playable character.

[Mysterious box]

23 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

No, I mean:

• Experienced Wendy players: Don't need it
• Casual Wendy's players: Need it
• Experienced non-Wendy players: Don't need it
• Casual non-Wendy players: Need it

The need for resurrection does not go up or down depending on player chooses Wendy or not, only up or down depending on player has experience for getting beard or not. So its unrelevant with Wendy, that said a additional resurrection item is meaningless/helpless to this playable character.

That's not really how it works though a casual player is more likely to die therefore easier methods of resurrection is a good skill option for them due to how the available options are accessed. The meat effigy requires beard hair which requires either requires a player to be comfortable with exploring the entrance of the ruins which can lead to various problems so at that point they don't really fall under the casual category anymore. The taletell heart requires the presence of another player and while that's more likely in a multiplayer scenario there isn't always someone nearby and a penalty is added on top of that. The life giving amulet is definitely a better option but that's limited by how many red gems that player can get their hands on. Now compare that to the perennial altar which materials come from mourning glories and rocks it's cheap, accessible, and has zero risk involved.

1 hour ago, Cassielu said:

The need for resurrection does not go up or down depending on player chooses Wendy or not, only up or down depending on player has experience for getting beard or not. So its unrelevant with Wendy, that said a additional resurrection item is meaningless/helpless to this playable character.

Though to be more clear Wendy has the highest density of casual players so giving her a easy resurrection skill makes a lot of sense specifically for them which is very relevant.

[somethin]

Honestly just make it so that when Wendy dies and revive at the altar she retains all inventory and gear.

[Steorra]

It's quite weird here for same ideas some people showed opposite attitudes. 

I mean, WemericMember DID gave same suggestion before. You can't see someone say "no" to them. It's quite "healthy" to see an opposite scenario here.

[Mr. Furman]

Regarding the revive skill, I remember seeing an idea brought up by a friend that looks like this:

When she dies and abby is at max level, abby can revive her on the spot and panick nearby mobs, at the cost of her going back to lvl 1.