[Wendy] Re-evaluating Lunar Sisterhood III

[Yifei_]

In my previous post, I carefully compared the performance of Lunar Abigail and Normal Abigail in boss battles. Lunar Abigail has a noticeable issue: during boss fights, I can ignore Lunar Abigail, regardless of her position, and just focus on my own actions.

Typical examples are the Celestial Champion III and the Ancient Fuel Weaver. In these two boss battles, you basically just need to use potions to Lunar Abigail (and not even that frequently), and then face these bosses as you would with Wilson. You don't need to worry about Lunar Abigail's position; she's not that easy to kill, and even if you wanted to, you couldn't manage it.

This aligns with @Jason mentioned aloof playstyle and low maintenance, but this kind of gameplay is really boring. Using Normal Abigail against these two bosses has lower fault tolerance, but it's a lot more fun: Wendy and Abigail are truly cooperating, not just fighting independently. When facing the Celestial Champion III, you need to use Escape at the right moment to avoid damage, and when facing the Ancient Fuel Weaver, you need to finely adjust positioning so that Abigail takes less damage and her AoE can kill more Woven Shadows.

Moreover, the loss of AoE by Lunar Abigail is quite a severe penalty: I lose the biggest feature and fun of playing Wendy, and the distinctive gameplay of Wendy compared to Wilson is further diminished.

Therefore, I hope the designers will reconsider Lunar Abigail, abandon the previous design philosophy of aloof and low maintenance, and give control back to the player. I am not opposed to the design idea of "each has its strengths," but I hope that the "strengths" can be achieved through the player's own gameplay, rather than achieving a poor, indistinct "strength" without any sense of participation.

For the improvement of Lunar Sisterhood, I think we can approach from the following two aspects:

1. Addressing the shortcomings. Losing AoE is a severe penalty, but I hope players can compensate for this drawback through their actions. That is: revert the AoE damage of Lunar Abigail's Attack At. This can provide players with more operational space and more fun in certain boss battles (such as the Ancient Fuel Weaver).
2. Enhancing the characteristics. Currently, Lunar Abigail's only characteristic is relatively high single-target damage. Here are some suggestions that can be considered (These suggestions are inspired by @CremeLover):
   1. Strengthen the "single-target" feature by swapping the effects of Lunar Potion and Shadow Potion. That is, increase Lunar Abigail's vulnerability effect, encouraging players to also participate in the battle, thereby improving overall single-target output.
   2. Add new mechanics to Lunar Abigail. Simply having higher single-target damage is not attractive. If I really wanted good single-target performance, why wouldn't I play other characters? A possible suggestion is to borrow the hypnotic mechanism from Lunar Affinity. For example: Lunar Abigail could have a unique operational option similar to Team Spirits, which when used, emits a hypnotic smoke similar to that of a Grazer. Additionally, other possible suggestions include adopting an attack mode similar to the Brightshade Staff, considering the parasitic mechanism of Lunar Affinity, and so on.

Here is a compilation of posts related to Wendy's Lunar Affinity. My collection may not be comprehensive, so if there are any omissions, feel free to add them.
 

Spoiler

Jason's note about the "aloof playstyle":

 

Swap the effect of Lunar Potion and Shadow Potion:

 

How to make Gestalt Abigail more unique:

 

Why losing AoE is a significant penalty:

 

Performance of Lunar Abigial in boss fights:

 

Lunar Affinity and recipe of Abigail's Flower:

 

Transform conditions of Lunar Abigail:

 

"Attack at" of Lunar Abigail has no AoE:

 

Lunar/Shadow Affinity and Sisturn:

 

Other suggestions of Lunar Abigail:

 

Poll on Wendy's Affinity Skill:

 

 

 

[cyjs]

Cancel the command sprint damage is wrong, and there is no compensation, just to balance and give up the fun of operation

The balance should be for a more fun experience

[Steorra]

It could be fun if "Attack At" of Gestalt Abby have a different AoE performances, such as a strong AoE effect with 100 damage but longer cooldown. This would encourage players to manage Gestalt Abby and gaining reward by the management.

[Yifei_]

9 hours ago, cyjs said:

Cancel the command sprint damage is wrong, and there is no compensation, just to balance and give up the fun of operation

The balance should be for a more fun experience

 

8 hours ago, Steorra said:

It could be fun if "Attack At" of Gestalt Abby have a different AoE performances, such as a strong AoE effect with 100 damage but longer cooldown. This would encourage players to manage Gestalt Abby and gaining reward by the management.

 

It is a rather poor decision to sacrifice "fun" in the name of so-called "balance," especially when Lunar Abigail herself is not balanced and is significantly weaker than Normal Abigail. I don't mind if the "Attack at" command for Lunar Abigail has some new functionality, but I hope the designers will give the control of the game back to the players.

[Yaorin yon]

I used to really love the "attack" command. Because when Abigail backflips and when Abigail brakes, there is about 0.5 seconds of invincibility. They are not actually strong, but if you pull off this operation (performing an attack + dodge simultaneously through the command), you will get a very satisfying sense of achievement. But unfortunately, both have been removed, and now the attack command has become a deadwood for me. It can be used, but it's boring.

[Catapult 2.0]

On 2/11/2025 at 12:01 AM, Yifei_ said:

This aligns with @Jason mentioned aloof playstyle and low maintenance, but this kind of gameplay is really boring. Using Normal Abigail against these two bosses has lower fault tolerance, but it's a lot more fun: Wendy and Abigail are truly cooperating, not just fighting independently. When facing the Celestial Champion III, you need to use Escape at the right moment to avoid damage, and when facing the Ancient Fuel Weaver, you need to finely adjust positioning so that Abigail takes less damage and her AoE can kill more Woven Shadows.

  I'm skeptical that Jason's game level will be able to understand what you're talking about, and as far as I know, he shouldn't be able to do it.

  我很怀疑Jason的游戏水平是否能理解你说的这些操作，据我所知他应该做不到这些操作。

On 2/11/2025 at 12:01 AM, Yifei_ said:

Addressing the shortcomings. Losing AoE is a severe penalty, but I hope players can compensate for this drawback through their actions. That is: revert the AoE damage of Lunar Abigail's Attack At. This can provide players with more operational space and more fun in certain boss battles (such as the Ancient Fuel Weaver).

  I really can't understand why the damage of "attact at" is removed, even if lunar abi can use "attact at" to cause aoe damage, it still requires very fine operation skills and more material loss, lunar abi is only "good" at AOE, she is not as "good" at AOE as ordinary abi.
  The current Lunar Abi is difficult to subdue even spiders, and the only means of "intimidation" against the group creatures is that the Lunar Abi constantly changes its position drastically during the battle, and it cannot always suppress all the group creatures.
  And the last update did not have any corresponding compensation for the neff of "Attact at", does the effect of "Attact at" now relate to his name? If you really should "have your own strengths", then at least you should remove the AOE and add some effects unique to lunar, such as invincibility frames, single target damage, etc.

  我真的无法理解删掉“attact at”的伤害是为什么，即使lunar abi能够使用“attact at”造成aoe伤害，依旧需要很精细的操作技巧和更多的材料损耗，lunar abi只是“会”AOE，她并不如普通abi“擅长”AOE。
  现在的lunar abi连蜘蛛都难以制服了，唯一的对群体生物手段“恐吓”由于lunar abi在战斗时不断大幅度改变位置，并不能一直压制住所有群体生物。
  并且上次更新对于“attact at”的neff，没有任何相应的补偿，“attact at”现在的效果和他的名字相关吗？如果真的应该“各有所长”，那至少应该在删掉AOE的同时加上一些lunar独有的效果吧，例如无敌帧，单体伤害等。

[Yifei_]

8 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

I used to really love the "attack" command. Because when Abigail backflips and when Abigail brakes, there is about 0.5 seconds of invincibility. They are not actually strong, but if you pull off this operation (performing an attack + dodge simultaneously through the command), you will get a very satisfying sense of achievement. But unfortunately, both have been removed, and now the attack command has become a deadwood for me. It can be used, but it's boring.

That might be related to a bug. I remember that when using the "Attack At" command before, the creatures that took damage wouldn't aggro Abigail.

1 hour ago, Natsuki Bamboo said:

I really can't understand why the damage of "attact at" is removed, even if lunar abi can use "attact at" to cause aoe damage, it still requires very fine operation skills and more material loss, lunar abi is only "good" at AOE, she is not as "good" at AOE as ordinary abi.
  The current Lunar Abi is difficult to subdue even spiders, and the only means of "intimidation" against the group creatures is that the Lunar Abi constantly changes its position drastically during the battle, and it cannot always suppress all the group creatures.
  And the last update did not have any corresponding compensation for the neff of "Attact at", does the effect of "Attact at" now relate to his name? If you really should "have your own strengths", then at least you should remove the AOE and add some effects unique to lunar, such as invincibility frames, single target damage, etc.

  我真的无法理解删掉“attact at”的伤害是为什么，即使lunar abi能够使用“attact at”造成aoe伤害，依旧需要很精细的操作技巧和更多的材料损耗，lunar abi只是“会”AOE，她并不如普通abi“擅长”AOE。
  现在的lunar abi连蜘蛛都难以制服了，唯一的对群体生物手段“恐吓”由于lunar abi在战斗时不断大幅度改变位置，并不能一直压制住所有群体生物。
  并且上次更新对于“attact at”的neff，没有任何相应的补偿，“attact at”现在的效果和他的名字相关吗？如果真的应该“各有所长”，那至少应该在删掉AOE的同时加上一些lunar独有的效果吧，例如无敌帧，单体伤害等。

Yes, even though Lunar Abigail has AoE damage with the "Attack At" ability, it is much less effective than Normal Abigail. The "Attack At" has a cooldown, requires manual selection by the player, has a limited range, and cannot easily control multiple enemies. The current "Attack At"… barely has any of the characteristics of a traditional "attack".

[kikia]

1 hour ago, Natsuki Bamboo said:

  I'm skeptical that Jason's game level will be able to understand what you're talking about, and as far as I know, he shouldn't be able to do it.

  我很怀疑Jason的游戏水平是否能理解你说的这些操作，据我所知他应该做不到这些操作。

  I really can't understand why the damage of "attact at" is removed, even if lunar abi can use "attact at" to cause aoe damage, it still requires very fine operation skills and more material loss, lunar abi is only "good" at AOE, she is not as "good" at AOE as ordinary abi.
  The current Lunar Abi is difficult to subdue even spiders, and the only means of "intimidation" against the group creatures is that the Lunar Abi constantly changes its position drastically during the battle, and it cannot always suppress all the group creatures.
  And the last update did not have any corresponding compensation for the neff of "Attact at", does the effect of "Attact at" now relate to his name? If you really should "have your own strengths", then at least you should remove the AOE and add some effects unique to lunar, such as invincibility frames, single target damage, etc.

  我真的无法理解删掉“attact at”的伤害是为什么，即使lunar abi能够使用“attact at”造成aoe伤害，依旧需要很精细的操作技巧和更多的材料损耗，lunar abi只是“会”AOE，她并不如普通abi“擅长”AOE。
  现在的lunar abi连蜘蛛都难以制服了，唯一的对群体生物手段“恐吓”由于lunar abi在战斗时不断大幅度改变位置，并不能一直压制住所有群体生物。
  并且上次更新对于“attact at”的neff，没有任何相应的补偿，“attact at”现在的效果和他的名字相关吗？如果真的应该“各有所长”，那至少应该在删掉AOE的同时加上一些lunar独有的效果吧，例如无敌帧，单体伤害等。

最难受的是用这个指令给月比指定攻击目标时，她会飞过去愣一下，真的难绷

[Catapult 2.0]

On 2/11/2025 at 12:01 AM, Yifei_ said:

Add new mechanics to Lunar Abigail. Simply having higher single-target damage is not attractive. If I really wanted good single-target performance, why wouldn't I play other characters? A possible suggestion is to borrow the hypnotic mechanism from Lunar Affinity. For example: Lunar Abigail could have a unique operational option similar to Team Spirits, which when used, emits a hypnotic smoke similar to that of a Grazer. Additionally, other possible suggestions include adopting an attack mode similar to the Brightshade Staff, considering the parasitic mechanism of Lunar Affinity, and so on.

If the "Attack At" command for Lunar Abigail has removed the AOE damage in the name of "each having its own strengths," then adding a path-hypnosis effect to Lunar Abigail's "Attack At" could be a good compensation as her unique strength, couldn't it?

lunar abi的“attact at”指令删除了aoe伤害，是为了所谓的“各有所长”，那么为lunar abi 的“attact at”添加路径催眠效果是不是可以作为“各有所长”的“长处”补偿呢