The change of Cursed Vex seems as a pure nerfing but not adjustment.

[Steorra]

It seems give almost no damage bonus (about 2) to post-rift if compared with old version. But completely delete the damage bonus to non-planar mobs.

Evidence by math here:

 

[Picklesaurus]

Did you try using thulecite club or enlightment crown with? Or even better, thucelite club + enlightment crown. Try it out. 

@Steorra Watch the numbers. 

[Yifei_]

9 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

Did you try using thulecite club or enlightment crown with? Or even better, thucelite club + enlightment crown. Try it out. 

I did the calculation:

For the previous version of the Enlighten Crown, the damage was 42.5 × 1.1 = 46.75 (without potions) and 42.5 × 1.3 = 55.25 (with potions). This means an increase of 8.5 damage points compared to the base value. For the Shadow Tentacle (34*2), the damage increase was 6.8*2.

Now, with the change to a uniform damage increase, both have been increased by 10 planar damage points.

[Picklesaurus]

Just now, Yifei_ said:

I did the calculation:

For the previous version of the Enlighten Crown, the damage was 42.5 × 1.1 = 46.75 (without potions) and 42.5 × 1.3 = 55.25 (with potions). This means an increase of 8.5 damage points compared to the base value. For the Shadow Tentacle (34*2), the damage increase was 6.8*2.

Now, with the change to a uniform damage increase, both have been increased by 10 planar damage points.

Watch the video friend, I have just sent it above. 

[WenericMember]

12 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

Did you try using thulecite club or enlightment crown with? Or even better, thucelite club + enlightment crown. Try it out. 

@Steorra Watch the numbers. 

I don't get what your point is, you don't seem to have cursed vexation active?

[Yifei_]

3 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

Watch the video friend, I have just sent it above. 

Sorry, I can't access this video for now. The calculations I did refer to the fact that in the previous version, the potion still provided a damage increase to the damage sources of the Thulecite Club and the Enlighten Crown, but the extent and type of the damage increase were different.

[Picklesaurus]

3 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

I don't get what your point is, you don't seem to have cursed vexation active?

it is bugged but it is applied, just not showing the icon. I can send you a video showing me applying it and doing the same thing. 

2 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

Sorry, I can't access this video for now. The calculations I did refer to the fact that in the previous version, the potion still provided a damage increase to the damage sources of the Thulecite Club and the Enlighten Crown, but the extent and type of the damage increase were different.

She is reaching 400 DPS pre rift .-. (the target has to stay still tho, otherwise there is some damage decrease)

[WenericMember]

3 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

it is bugged but it is applied, just not showing the icon. I can send you a video showing me applying it and doing the same thing. 

She is reaching 400 DPS pre rift .-. (the target has to stay still tho, otherwise there is some damage decrease)

OK fair enough, was wondering about that.

So I assume the point here is that Wendy gets an overall damage increase with multihit attacks, as the planar damage is flat not %?

Edit: If so that's a really cool change bc it makes On foot Wendy more competitive against Beefalo

[Picklesaurus]

20 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

OK fair enough, was wondering about that.

So I assume the point here is that Wendy gets an overall damage increase with multihit attacks, as the planar damage is flat not %?

Yes, I mean, I didnt make a point really, Im just showing that it was not a nerf to the vex potion, but a change. The dps seems fine outside of the crown, but the crown consumes a lot of sanity and the tentacles the target can move , so it is good against some bosses some other less. I will make two videos showing this better but I find the mechanic much more interesting now, it affects all allies, mobs attacks, and item hits imagine the funny things Wendy can do now.  

[WenericMember]

5 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

Yes, I mean, I didnt make a point really, Im just showing that it was not a nerf to the vex potion, but a change. The dps seems fine outside of the crown, but the crown consumes a lot of sanity and the tentacles the target can move , so it is good against some bosses some other less. I will make two videos showing this better but I find the mechanic much more interesting now, it affects all allies and mobs attacks, imagine the funny things Wendy can do now.  

While your testing, could you check what the planar defense change was? 30 was a little ridiculous, but idk how much it dropped.

10 would be fair, but I kinda wish they gave a small compensation (such as +5 planar damage) to shadow abigail if they reduced the bonus PD to 5.

I agree the mecahnic seems a lot more interesting now.

[Picklesaurus]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

While your testing, could you check what the planar defense change was? 30 was a little ridiculous, but idk how much it dropped.

I already tested, it is bugged right now, it is giving the same +15 planar defense as last patch for a total of 30 planar. 

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, Picklesaurus said:

I already tested, it is bugged right now, it is giving the same +15 planar defense as last patch for a total of 30 planar. 

Weird, I imagine we'll get a hotfix before the week ends then, between Lunar Abby and this there are some major bugs in the current build.

[Lardee]

27 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

it is bugged but it is applied, just not showing the icon. I can send you a video showing me applying it and doing the same thing. 

She is reaching 400 DPS pre rift .-.

She has a fully charged enlightened crown and is getting favorable thulecite club tentacle rng.

Average tentacle rng puts her at about 360 dps.

Remove the enlightened crown and she's at 255 dps.

 

The problem is that Gestalt Abigail w/ lunar potion is hitting for over 300 w/o enlightened crown and about 350 with a fully tamed ornery beefalo w/o enlightened crown, meaning you get the highest offense and defense in one package and without having to spend time catching a stack of bees every time you want to fight something.

 

[Siren11]

1 minute ago, WenericMember said:

Weird, I imagine we'll get a hotfix before the week ends then, between Lunar Abby and this there are some major bugs in the current build.

Yeah, I’d imagine we’ll get something soon. The bug tracker says everything’s fixed, so I guess we’re just waiting for now. Klei probably wants to get unkillable Gabby out of the way as soon as possible though, lmao.

New Cursed Vex seems potentially interesting? I kinda like that Wendy has different options for her max DPS depending on the situation.

[Picklesaurus]

7 minutes ago, Lardee said:

She has a fully charged enlightened crown and is getting favorable thulecite club tentacle rng.

Average tentacle rng puts her at about 360 dps.

Remove the enlightened crown and she's at 255 dps.

Ty for the numbers they can fluctuate quite a lot while testing since I dont know how to make the equation.

 

7 minutes ago, Lardee said:

The problem is that Gestalt Abigail w/ lunar potion is hitting for over 300 w/o enlightened crown and about 350 with a fully tamed ornery beefalo w/o enlightened crown, meaning you get the highest offense and defense in one package.  

I feel mostly fine with that right now, she still has a hard time changing between phases even if they made it easier, so she is still locked out of AOE for some time, it is an interesting trade off. 

[Dingle]

1 hour ago, Picklesaurus said:

Did you try using thulecite club or enlightment crown with? Or even better, thucelite club + enlightment crown. Try it out. 

@Steorra Watch the numbers. 

Did you see @SilverSpoon'SilverSpoon's weather pain video?

 

[Picklesaurus]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Did you see @SilverSpoon'SilverSpoon's weather pain video?

 

I was going to make a video showing it, but since you commented I checked his profile to find the video and its much better than the one I was going to show. I found his video really cool/interesting, ty. I quite like the new vex potion, opens up the way for a lot of creative stuff.

[Debruh]

29 minutes ago, Lardee said:

The problem is that Gestalt Abigail w/ lunar potion is hitting for over 300 w/o enlightened crown and about 350 with a fully tamed ornery beefalo w/o enlightened crown, meaning you get the highest offense and defense in one package and without having to spend time catching a stack of bees every time you want to fight something.

 

I feel like the problem is also because they didn't change the damage the elixir gives to gestalt Abby. It's still 10x the damage it gives to normal Abby for some reason.

 

1 minute ago, Picklesaurus said:

I was going to make a video showing it, but since you commented I checked his profile to find the video and its much better than the one I was going to show. I found his video really cool/interesting, ty. I quite like the new vex potion, opens up the way for a lot of creative stuff.

Yea, it seems actually pretty cool. I regret hating on it. When I tested it with stuff like the weatherpain and thul club, I just thought that the damage was too low to do anything, but no turns out it doesn't even work for me for some reason.

[Picklesaurus]

Here is a video if someone wants to see her dps with thucelite club + vex potion + shadow abi. 

[Lardee]

6 minutes ago, Debruh said:

I feel like the problem is also because they didn't change the damage the elixir gives to gestalt Abby. It's still 10x the damage it gives to normal Abby for some reason.

If they lowered Gestalt Abby's DPS to make it comparable to the Vex potion's DPS, that would probably make the incentive to go the Shadow route competitive again.

As of now, there's no reason not to just pick Lunar and plan your activities around the Lunar cycle. 

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, Picklesaurus said:

Here is a video if someone wants to see her dps with thucelite club + vex potion + shadow abi. 

Now imagine all your friends in multiplayer ALSO using thulecite clubs!

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, Dingle said:

Did you see @SilverSpoon'SilverSpoon's weather pain video?

1 hour ago, Picklesaurus said:

I was going to make a video showing it, but since you commented I checked his profile to find the video and its much better than the one I was going to show. I found his video really cool/interesting, ty. I quite like the new vex potion, opens up the way for a lot of creative stuff.

Thank you. (I then added a Crab King video!)

Since the number of attacks had been not so emphasized in this game, I personally don't dislike this change, rather I think it's interesting and there seems to become stronger in the future. And there is also the possibility of potential exploits.

For now, the only opponents Shabby can deal very high DPS to are those that aren't so much move, so I think balanced. What I really liked is, in contrast Gestabby is strong against enemy move around, and she takes a moderate amount of time to switch, so I think that has really broadened Wendy's range of play.

[Debruh]

26 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Now imagine all your friends in multiplayer ALSO using thulecite clubs!

Shadow Abby with cursed Vex and distilled vengeance with a bunch of people spamming the weatherpain.

[Dingle]

18 minutes ago, Debruh said:

Shadow Abby with cursed Vex and distilled vengeance with a bunch of people spamming the weatherpain.

Klei: Please don't nerf this until I can do this on Misery Toadstool with 6 people.

[DVGMedia]

The planar added for the vex just kind of feels strange to me

Like now instead of using bees to buff abby with shadow it may honestly just be better to drop the bees so that each of them are doing double damage

Since the vex provides more or of a bonus the lower the attack is. I guess it helps out with planar weapons because now its not boosting the weak physical damage of those weapons.

But it just feels wrong.