[Game Update] - 653176

[Y0sH]

7 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

There has been nothing to give feedback on for the other characters for a long time, but there has been for Wendy 

Type "Wortox" in the beta search bar then come back here.

[Jakeyosaurus]

5 minutes ago, IDreamerI said:

Wortox-Personally, I don't like the fact in the wortox skill tree that to use Shadow or Moon Skills, you literally have to go through the game almost twice (it's not hard for me, of course), as well as use endgame stuff.I mean, the game is played not only by sweaty Traihards winning for Wes in solo, but also by ordinary people having fun with friends or with other random people. I think it would be more fun if Vortex didn't have a strict attachment to the objects of one side or the other, or at least added items or ways to use the abilities of the Moon or Shadows at the beginning of the game.

Walter-Overall, I like the idea that he'll upgrade his slingshot and also be able to create special ammo, and he'll be able to at least half use shadow skills at the beginning, but I absolutely dislike what's being done with wobi, the skills involved are completely useless (in my opinion, which is sad).Instead of adding skills to interact with her and her possible abilities, they've added skills to enhance her stats that players almost never use, so you'll also have to choose which ones to use., and which ones don't.(There is a Bifalo that covers, if not all, then almost all the skills of the wobi), and only the search for objects is useful for something.

Wendy-Well, rejoice Wendy mainers, your gameplay has become many times more interesting and multifaceted.You can command your sister, Turn her into a shadow or a gestalt, Drink potions brewed by you, create your own cemetery with friendly neighbors, and resurrect allies for change.In general, imba, give me two. Only shadow skills are questionable, and I don't like the Gestalt sister (well, that's subjective))))))))))))

Thank you for your attention, I'm sorry for my English.

This post is very based and real, agree with most of it

[Soul7k]

16 minutes ago, Dingle said:

It's not a bug. It was changed because you got everything in 1 point before. There was very little reason to get graves 2.

I'm talking about the ghosts not doing damage which is not listed in the patch notes. unless I am missing something, which I might be.

Edited February 5, 2025 by Soul7k

[Yaorin yon]

Klei is still listening to player feedback.
However... the feedback they seem to be acting on feels so "biased".
It seems like they're always avoiding the most expansive suggestions and only focusing on minor, almost trivial expansions—like "a lighter can cook food" (just a metaphor, something that is tasteless to eat but a pity to throw away)—while further tweaking Wendy's damage output (the changes need some testing before a conclusion can be drawn) and weakening Abigail's survivability (even though Wendy's damage hasn't been competitive in the Planar Entity environment for a long time).

In summary, I hope Wendy can get some expansions on the level of Woodie's, which goes from beavers → beavers, moose, geese → beavers, moose, geese, lumberjacks, and treeguards, as parallel feature-level updates.
Instead of something like beard → beard, torch，These optional and trivial expansion updates.

Edited February 5, 2025 by Yaorin yon

[Bluepugjr]

7 minutes ago, kroban said:

Damn, still no Walter stuff... I know the team in charge of his skill tree is working hard and all that, hopefully he will get some big improvements to his kit and Woby. But it's been three months since the beta started, and he still doesn't have a definitive version of his skill tree. Ngl, it's getting worrisome, and I really hope his changes don’t just get dropped at the last second with no chance for any feedback or tweaks...

This exactly^ I just want a complete skill tree man

3 months for 60% of an update

[Dingle]

14 minutes ago, Lardee said:

The vast majority of actual tough fights do not require AoE, and in the few fights that do, you can just use regular Abigail with the lunar potion for almost the same DPS as the shadow potion.

Doesn't that mean that Lunar is now a viable boss killing option, as originally intended?

It's nice to have aoe for Fuelweaver. And bee queen. And it's still extremely nice outside of bosses, regardless.

Lunar has no aoe at all now.

14 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Again, not sure why you're bringing up Walter when we're comparing incentives for Shadow Wendy vs Lunar Wendy.

He has a similar mechanic, but weaker.

[Siren11]

15 minutes ago, Dingle said:

It's not a bug. It was changed because you got everything in 1 point before. There was very little reason to get graves 2.

I think they mean the Bigspooks not attacking is a bug.

[OMEGASCRUFF]

35 minutes ago, MatthewLovesYou said:

Isn't that for more than half of the characters' trees though? I don't remember any being super polished and agreed by most to be good. Half of the existing ones still would need tweaking while the rest could use a complete rework and even then some things are just impossible to be fully balanced.

...Yuuuuuup. There's a lot of polish that could really be applied to basically everyone's skill tree, with a few of them to a pretty large degree. (Some of that is, understandably, a result of later updates, and changing standards.) I think that's the biggest reason why there's been such mixed reception about skill trees in DST at all. It's just that the results speak for themselves, here.

It's strange having been called pessimistic earlier, because when it comes to product development, I'm incredibly optimistic at the same time. Lol I guess the outlook seems a bit grim, but I know the potential is incredible here.

[aidankocherhans]

10 minutes ago, Y0sH said:

Type "Wortox" in the beta search bar then come back here.

Nothing new, obviously. People have given their feedback, they don't have to keep giving the same feedback again to "compete" with Wendy

Edited February 5, 2025 by aidankocherhans

[Lardee]

Just now, Dingle said:

Doesn't that mean that Lunar is now a viable boss killing option, as originally intended?

It's nice to have aoe for Fuelweaver. And bee queen. And it's still extremely nice outside of bosses, regardless.

Lunar has no aoe at all now.

Lunar was already a very viable boss killing option.

Yes, it is nice to have it against FW and BQ, hence why I said "in the few fights that do, you can just use regular Abigail with the lunar potion for almost the same DPS as the shadow potion."

Gestalt Abigail doesn't have AoE. Abigail with the lunar potion does.

Just now, Dingle said:

He has a similar mechanic, but weaker.

Again, not sure why this is relevant.

[aidankocherhans]

9 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Klei is still listening to player feedback.
However... the feedback they seem to be acting on feels so "biased".
It seems like they're always avoiding the most expansive suggestions and only focusing on minor, almost trivial expansions—like "a lighter can cook food" (just a metaphor, something that is tasteless to eat but a pity to throw away)—while further tweaking Wendy's damage output (the changes need some testing before a conclusion can be drawn) and weakening Abigail's survivability (even though Wendy's damage hasn't been competitive in the Planar Entity environment for a long time).

In summary, I hope Wendy can get some expansions on the level of Woodie's, which goes from beavers → beavers, moose, geese → beavers, moose, geese, lumberjacks, and treeguards, as parallel feature-level updates.
Instead of something like beard → beard, torch，These optional and trivial expansion updates.

I mean, how much longer do you want this beta to take? Smaller adjustments take less time

[Y0sH]

Just now, aidankocherhans said:

Nothing new, obviously. People have given their feedback, they don't have to keep giving the same feedback again to "compete" with Wendy.

When Wortox isn't even mentioned in update posts anymore, it will obviously make the average player in the forums feel like Wortox isn't being worked on.

This position is only enforced when a Dev mentioning they're satisfied with where Wortox is in this very thread. As far as things having new feedback, I've made multiple posts myself for new ideas with Wortox as well as others. 

[Yaorin yon]

18 minutes ago, Jakeyosaurus said:

I didn't test this but I'm fairly sure Wendy with void gear would be substantially better than a beefalo:) 

In my previous tests, under the influence of the Planar Entity, the synergy between Beefalo and Wendy seems to be less effective than Wilson using the Brightshade Sword and Brightshade Helmet (without considering Abigail).

This kind of DPS check is quite misleading when the Planar Entity is not taken into account, especially when ignoring the amount of micromanagement required for Wendy to handle the fragile Abigail and the Beefalo targeted by knockback attacks, which further reduces the practicality of the data.

It's not an accusation, just a supplement to the application of the data. I'm concerned that the results of your hard work in testing might be used as ammunition by ill-intentioned people to attack others' suggestions.

[WenericMember]

Hm, pretty nice changes overall, but am sad shadow Abby continues to be nerfed.

QOL for Lunar Sisterhood, MG in picnic casket and moon moth revival are all great.

I think the only thing I really want now is a buff to the perrenial altar, and maybe change graves to produce MG instead of dark petals.

4 hours ago, JesseB_Klei said:

• Fixed some eyes in Wendy skins.

Any Idea what this is referring to? I assumed it was to make Masquerade's skin closer to the artwork, but that appears unchanged.

Edited February 5, 2025 by WenericMember

[Yaorin yon]

9 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

I mean, how much longer do you want this beta to take? Smaller adjustments take less time

In the current game environment, Wendy is indeed a character lacking in functional competitiveness. If you have a thorough understanding of the Planar Entity and other characters, I believe you would agree. I hope Wendy can have some standout features that give players gameplay reasons to use her. Wendy's main characteristic is combat, yet she is mediocre even in that area. Not to mention her other less competitive functions.

I don't mind if Klei leaves Wendy in the test version for a while, but I think if Klei uses something trivial like "a lighter can cook food" to gloss over this skill tree, we might have to wait until Character Reset 3.0 to address this issue.

[Echsrick]

52 minutes ago, Jakeyosaurus said:

because I think Walter & Wortox are quite strong and don't need many if any changes.

....have you even looked at walter and can reasonable say that his stuff is "strong"? because......i just cant think this is true

[Chewabacca]

Just now, Echsrick said:

....have you even looked at walter and can reasonable say that his stuff is "strong"? because......i just cant think this is true

If you’re measuring by DPS, which seems to be this person’s main metric, Walter is decent. The issue is that DPS alone was never his appeal, it just needed to not suck so much, and DPS is pretty much all that the tree does right now.

[AliceShiki]

26 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

However... the feedback they seem to be acting on feels so "biased".
It seems like they're always avoiding the most expansive suggestions and only focusing on minor, almost trivial expansions

This late into the beta, this is to be expected. We're not getting major changes for Wendy/Wortox anymore. Only minor stuff, if any.

Walter is still going to get major changes simply because his skill tree is still incomplete. Otherwise, no major changes would happen.

Big changes only happen early in beta. Later portions of beta are for small fine-tuning.

[BeastNleashed]

3 hours ago, Chewabacca said:

Saying that you should have made huge personal attacks on the developers is a bad thing to say, especially in a reply to one of them, whether or not you're frustrated with the update. Believe me, I'm not exactly the happiest with the lack of Walter content (and RIP to Wortox players) but the reason personal attacks on game developers were bad was because that's not how human beings should treat one another without a way better reason than some videogame updates being disappointing, not just because it doesn't get what we want. And this sort of thing just gives more reason for the devs to not talk to us, since they'll get attacked whatever they say.

Well it is no bad thing because it is the probably the truth, and the truth can't be bad or good. Why else didn't other Skilltress got this 100 changes and didn't got attention? and sure i dont treat others like this OTHERWISE i would have made these insults and stuff in the past, makes sense no? It literally CAN'T be serious that people insult them and instead of getting a warning, maybe a ban, they get what they want? And me and others as nice persons/customers we treat them good and don't get anything? Not only we didn't got anything,we being accused for being racist or or... now that they get what they want and we not could also be racist ;). 

And no, in the past i never ever attacked them so TELL ME why this people get what they want but us not? WHY? I mean for you its fine, and you still wait for your skilltree, and it may will change so you like it, but for ALL Skilltrees that are live its just over, they never will be changed. And that is the thank for being nice? Wow, learned my lesson. 

 

 

[Chewabacca]

4 minutes ago, BeastNleashed said:

Well it is no bad thing because it is the probably the truth, and the truth can't be bad or good. Why else didn't other Skilltress got this 100 changes and didn't got attention? and sure i dont treat others like this OTHERWISE i would have made these insults and stuff in the past, makes sense no? It literally CAN'T be serious that people insult them and instead of getting a warning, maybe a ban, they get what they want? And me and others as nice persons/customers we treat them good and don't get anything? Not only we didn't got anything,we being accused for being racist or or... now that they get what they want and we not could also be racist ;). 

And no, in the past i never ever attacked them so TELL ME why this people get what they want but us not? WHY? I mean for you its fine, and you still wait for your skilltree, and it may will change so you like it, but for ALL Skilltrees that are live its just over, they never will be changed. And that is the thank for being nice? Wow, learned my lesson. 

 

 

You can say “this sucked and I don’t like it” without making personal attacks on the devs, though. I’m not saying you have to be happy. I’m certainly not. 
 

Also just practically speaking: the reason why Wendy keeps getting polished more and more is that she’s the most popular character in the game so they’ll go out of their way where they won’t for Wortox (fingers crossed for Walter getting better treatment). Even if us Walter and Wortox players felt like being garbage to the devs, we just don’t have the numbers to back anything up. 

[Evelo]

4 hours ago, JesseB_Klei said:

A Shallow Grave item has been created to spawn in place of skeletons if skeletons are not permitted. Wendy’s Graves By Wendy skill will also work with this Shallow Grave.

What does this mean exactly? Does this allow for the creation of new graves in worlds that restart instantly if all players die simultaneously(solo), (World Reset Timer - Instant)?

[aidankocherhans]

7 minutes ago, BeastNleashed said:

Well it is no bad thing because it is the probably the truth, and the truth can't be bad or good. Why else didn't other Skilltress got this 100 changes and didn't got attention? and sure i dont treat others like this OTHERWISE i would have made these insults and stuff in the past, makes sense no? It literally CAN'T be serious that people insult them and instead of getting a warning, maybe a ban, they get what they want? And me and others as nice persons/customers we treat them good and don't get anything? Not only we didn't got anything,we being accused for being racist or or... now that they get what they want and we not could also be racist ;). 

And no, in the past i never ever attacked them so TELL ME why this people get what they want but us not? WHY? I mean for you its fine, and you still wait for your skilltree, and it may will change so you like it, but for ALL Skilltrees that are live its just over, they never will be changed. And that is the thank for being nice? Wow, learned my lesson. 

 

 

Did the harassment campaign actually work anyway? There were reasonable people complaining about the tree too, and there have been many nerfs more recently. It's possible those particular people didn't actually do anything to influence her tree, if they were listening to them they wouldn't have done anything to balance out sisturn 3

[Mysterious box]

14 minutes ago, Chewabacca said:

If you’re measuring by DPS, which seems to be this person’s main metric, Walter is decent. The issue is that DPS alone was never his appeal, it just needed to not suck so much, and DPS is pretty much all that the tree does right now.

Looking at the lunar affinity for Walter call me extreme skeptical still.

[Yaorin yon]

16 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

This late into the beta, this is to be expected. We're not getting major changes for Wendy/Wortox anymore. Only minor stuff, if any.

Walter is still going to get major changes simply because his skill tree is still incomplete. Otherwise, no major changes would happen.

Big changes only happen early in beta. Later portions of beta are for small fine-tuning.

While your argument is quite reasonable, the reality is that significant changes have never occurred from the early stages until now. Instead, trivial content has been consistently used to cover up the lack of substantial progress.

Both Walter and Wendy need major changes. If each update log merely transferred Wendy's “dispensable changes” to Walter, you would still realize that the significance of these updates has always been so minimal. They never give a sense of completion.

[Dingle]

35 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Lunar was already a very viable boss killing option.

When we last talked about shadow being way stronger than lunar, lunar was brought up as the "maybe its for newcomers" option. That never quite made sense to me. Looks like they were supposed to be equal, with tradeoffs.

From other people's posts, sounds like Lunar was better for some bosses, Shadow/regular better for others. Lunar isn't always the better pick. Shadow is still "regular abby but better".

35 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Yes, it is nice to have it against FW and BQ, hence why I said "in the few fights that do, you can just use regular Abigail with the lunar potion for almost the same DPS as the shadow potion."

I need to look into abby with lunar versus shadow abby with all her stuff.

35 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Gestalt Abigail doesn't have AoE. Abigail with the lunar potion does.

Again, not sure why this is relevant.

Ok.