Confusion over Player Attitudes in the Beta Test Server

[AliceShiki]

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

However, there is a downside. Since you've chosen to stop actively engaging with and purchasing the game, but still follow it occasionally, you should perhaps consider staying silent when other players who are still actively investing in and following the game voice their complaints and demand better content.

No. I think my opinion is as valid as anybody else's.

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

but you know yourself that because your engagement has decreased

It never did. My engagement with DST is about as high as it has ever been... Actually, I'm pretty sure it's higher now than it was who knows how many years ago when I bought it.

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

Moreover, uncritically accepting new content while others are pushing for improvements can actually undermine those who are advocating for better content, which is something none of us want to see.

I never criticized anyone who is advocating for better content, I'm saying you're wrong when you're trying to say Klei lied or misled you.

People can want better content all they want. As long as they're polite in how they phrase themselves, nobody will mind it. As long as their demands aren't unreasonable, of course (like asking for major character changes late in the beta, because that's just not happening).

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

I acknowledge that some players may act in ways that seem rude to you, but there's always a reason why a player might take actions that appear to be against the development team.

Yes, it's called "needing to learn how to behave in a public space". There are 0 reasons to ever be rude to the development team of any game ever.

If you don't like it, just voice your concerns in a reasonable manner.

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

It's unwise to morally judge them before truly understanding the reasons

Their reasons are irrelevant. If they can't behave appropriately, then their opinions aren't worth listening.

You can give feedback without insulting devs. It's as simple as that. If someone can't respect the people who are making the game, then they shouldn't expect to be respected by other people who play the game.

I couldn't care less about their reasons. They just need to learn how to give constructive feedback.

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

they would ensure that the total amount of updates would remain the same

They promised the amount of content would be the same, not amount of updates. That is very different.

And measuring how much content is in an update is very subjective in the first place. You certainly can't count how much an Ocean update adds to the game and compare to how much a skill tree adds to the game.

3 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

The test server had three months before the cap to polish the content, and it's the responsibility of the development team to produce unsatisfactory content in three months.

Honestly... Who cares? They're still going to release those skill trees once they're done, and they said they're still planning 4 updates for 2025 on top of finishing the skill tree beta. You're just being pedantic because one update was delayed.

It's gonna be 5 updates in 2025 and 3 in 2024. Who cares if it wasn't 4 updates in 2024 and 4 in 2025? That's such a pointless thing to complain about.

[WANZUN]

纯乐子，衡量技能树，哪技能树纯纯搬运单机，模组，熔炉的，改改数值，这其中最努力的是画技能图标的画师吧。

[Yaorin yon]

6 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

I never criticized anyone who is advocating for better content, I'm saying you're wrong when you're trying to say Klei lied or misled you.

People can want better content all they want. As long as they're polite in how they phrase themselves, nobody will mind it. As long as their demands aren't unreasonable, of course (like asking for major character changes late in the beta, because that's just not happening).

Yes, it's called "needing to learn how to behave in a public space". There are 0 reasons to ever be rude to the development team of any game ever.

If you don't like it, just voice your concerns in a reasonable manner.

Their reasons are irrelevant. If they can't behave appropriately, then their opinions aren't worth listening.

You can give feedback without insulting devs. It's as simple as that. If someone can't respect the people who are making the game, then they shouldn't expect to be respected by other people who play the game.

Rome wasn't built in a day. If you can't tell who started the arrogance, then you should try to understand first instead of arguing back. No one is rude when they first come to give feedback. How many suggestions have been buried, and how many votes have been ignored on purpose? I don't want to create fights between players. Like I said in this post, there's no point in players fighting each other. Using polite standards to argue against other people's ideas is just an excuse from a non-player's point of view. Not to mention that the real reason for this anger is the development team, not you or me. You don't have the duty or reason to make excuses for them.

Respect is reserved for those who deserve it.

The relationship between players and developers is essentially one between consumers and service providers.

If the service provider doesn't show sincerity, how can the consumer be expected to offer respect first?

If this isn't recognized, any argument is just arrogance from a moral high ground.

And when developers respond with arrogance, your respect just becomes a catalyst for more arrogance.

6 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

And measuring how much content is in an update is very subjective in the first place. You certainly can't count how much an Ocean update adds to the game and compare to how much a skill tree adds to the game.

Honestly... Who cares? They're still going to release those skill trees once they're done, and they said they're still planning 4 updates for 2025 on top of finishing the skill tree beta. You're just being pedantic because one update was delayed.

It's gonna be 5 updates in 2025 and 3 in 2024. Who cares if it wasn't 4 updates in 2024 and 4 in 2025? That's such a pointless thing to complain about.

Evaluation is subjective, but quantity is tangible. If you can't even guarantee the promised amount, how can you expect quality? When playing a game, you first need content to play with, and then you can consider whether it's enjoyable. Each update gives me 5 minutes of new content and 2 hours of errors/boredom/imbalance (a metaphor), and that's the current situation.

Additionally, "Who cares?" Do you even know what you're talking about? Don't let me think you're just an indifferent bystander. If you just want to preach your own moral standards without caring about all the broken promises, then I have to be disappointed with the point of this conversation. This year, it's three updates; how can you ensure it will be four next year? Why not three, or even two? After all, you "don't care" whether the development team keeps its promises. In the end, the company will continue to sell you skin packs of 400 items and low-quality content with endless bugs, further eroding all the good reputation the game once had for players. This kind of talk really makes me angry.

[AliceShiki]

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

and how many votes have been ignored on purpose?

Votes are irrelevant. Devs don't care about that. Devs are the ones who make the decisions, not players.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

If you can't tell who started the arrogance, then you should try to understand first instead of arguing back.

I don't care about arrogance. As long as people aren't insulting the devs (or other players), I don't care.

People can be as arrogant as they want. Just don't be rude.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

Using polite standards to argue against other people's ideas is just an excuse from a non-player's point of view.

No. That's standard behavior that everyone should expect out of everyone.

You should always be polite when giving feedback anywhere. As simple as that.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

Not to mention that the real reason for this anger is the development team, not you or me.

No, no, the devs did nothing wrong. The reason for this anger is that some people are actually unstable enough to get angry over a videogame and actually want to lash out at other people online because of that.

This is silly behavior and the only people who are at fault are the ones who are lashing out at others and insulting others over a videogame.

Devs are just doing their job, they have nothing to do with people who can't behave appropriately in a public environment and who get angry over a videogame.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

Respect is reserved for those who deserve it.

No. Respect is reserved for every single person in the world. You don't have the right to disrespect anyone. Period.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

without caring about all the broken promises,

There are 0 broken promises. All that happened was that an update was delayed.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

And when developers respond with arrogance, your respect just becomes a catalyst for more arrogance.

They never responded with arrogance. They only replied with updates, schedules, and explanations to certain decisions.

That's all they said. If you are seeing arrogance in someone saying that Walter updates will come when they are ready, then you're just trying to get angry at anything.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

This year, it's three updates; how can you ensure it will be four next year? Why not three, or even two? After all, you "don't care" whether the development team keeps its promises.

Because they said it will be 4 updates on top of these 3 skill trees, and I have no reason to assume they are lying, since they haven't really lied to the playerbase at all.

I do care if devs break their promises, I don't care if an update gets delayed though. It's coming anyways, and I have better things to get emotionally invested on than the schedule of an update that is coming regardless.

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

. This kind of talk really makes me angry.

Then stop getting angry at a videogame. There are better things to get emotionally invested on.

This is a game, play it when it's fun, drop it when it gets boring. Come back when something fun appears again. It's not that hard.

[somethin]

2 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

How many suggestions have been buried, and how many votes have been ignored on purpose?

I'm sorry to say, but as cruel as it is, this place is not a democracy. No matter how many polls anyone made if the devs disagree with it they will not implement it, and that is fine, since at the end of the day, it is their business. Our job here in the beta is to give suggestions, whether they implement it is none of our business.

I think that people forget that business is a 2 way street. When one party is dissatisfied, they can leave whenever they want.

 

[Yaorin yon]

1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

Votes are irrelevant. Devs don't care about that. Devs are the ones who make the decisions, not players.

I don't care about arrogance. As long as people aren't insulting the devs (or other players), I don't care.

People can be as arrogant as they want. Just don't be rude.

No. That's standard behavior that everyone should expect out of everyone.

You should always be polite when giving feedback anywhere. As simple as that.

No, no, the devs did nothing wrong. The reason for this anger is that some people are actually unstable enough to get angry over a videogame and actually want to lash out at other people online because of that.

This is silly behavior and the only people who are at fault are the ones who are lashing out at others and insulting others over a videogame.

Devs are just doing their job, they have nothing to do with people who can't behave appropriately in a public environment and who get angry over a videogame.

No. Respect is reserved for every single person in the world. You don't have the right to disrespect anyone. Period.

There are 0 broken promises. All that happened was that an update was delayed.

They never responded with arrogance. They only replied with updates, schedules, and explanations to certain decisions.

That's all they said. If you are seeing arrogance in someone saying that Walter updates will come when they are ready, then you're just trying to get angry at anything.

Because they said it will be 4 updates on top of these 3 skill trees, and I have no reason to assume they are lying, since they haven't really lied to the playerbase at all.

I do care if devs break their promises, I don't care if an update gets delayed though. It's coming anyways, and I have better things to get emotionally invested on than the schedule of an update that is coming regardless.

Then stop getting angry at a videogame. There are better things to get emotionally invested on.

This is a game, play it when it's fun, drop it when it gets boring. Come back when something fun appears again. It's not that hard.

Indiscriminate kindness is an accomplice to evil.

I think we've had enough of this conversation. Have fun playing the game.

[Ratituee]

in my opinion, dst has been more than "finished" for several years now, and i dont find the new content as interesting as it was in 2019-2021 anyway so i would rather have them take their time

[Steorra]

26 minutes ago, somethin said:

I'm sorry to say, but as cruel as it is, this place is not a democracy. No matter how many polls anyone made if the devs disagree with it they will not implement it, and that is fine, since at the end of the day, it is their business. Our job here in the beta is to give suggestions, whether they implement it is none of our business.

I think that people forget that business is a 2 way street. When one party is dissatisfied, they can leave whenever they want.

 

I could understand the game design should never being a democracy, but I guess we could understand that there's a line between non-democracy & ignoring customer's feedback.

[Yaorin yon]

31 minutes ago, somethin said:

I'm sorry to say, but as cruel as it is, this place is not a democracy. No matter how many polls anyone made if the devs disagree with it they will not implement it, and that is fine, since at the end of the day, it is their business. Our job here in the beta is to give suggestions, whether they implement it is none of our business.

I think that people forget that business is a 2 way street. When one party is dissatisfied, they can leave whenever they want.

 

When players provide funding and conduct unpaid testing for Klei, Klei has the corresponding obligation to offer sufficient base-number demand feedback. People can either leave or file complaints, as this is the right of consumers. I believe that obfuscating this relationship and then shifting the blame to those who file complaints is clearly detrimental to the development of the game.

 

I don’t mean to blame you.

 

My post from the beginning was to alert people to some issues and hope that the player community can come to a unified understanding of their own positioning.

[somethin]

20 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I could understand the game design should never being a democracy, but I guess we could understand that there's a line between non-democracy & ignoring customer's feedback.

...And players not getting everything they want exactly as they want all the time while saying the devs are "ignoring" them is called arrogance

A few days ago before the most recent update, I saw people from both side of the Wendy argument agreeing on something for once: changing shadow Abi. And they did just that, they change the vex to work better and she's still able to retain around the same dps level. People say they should be able to revive moon moths, they also add that. Adding mourning glories to casket? Done.

Yet there are also people who said the tree should be burned to the ground and replace it with their own "ideal" version of the tree (imo some of them is even worse than the current one). Anything far from this is considered the devs "ignoring" them. I just find that... eh, what's the word? Greedy?

But! That's just my 2 cents.

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, somethin said:

...And players not getting everything they want exactly as they want all the time while saying the devs are "ignoring" them is called arrogance

you seems really emotional toward some particular criticizes feedback. Are you a member of Klei?

8 minutes ago, somethin said:

A few days ago before the most recent update, I saw people from both side of the Wendy argument agreeing on something for once: changing shadow Abi. And they did just that, they change the vex to work better and she's still able to retain around the same dps level. People say they should be able to revive moon moths, they also add that. Adding mourning glories to casket? Done.

Yet there are also people who said the tree should be burned to the ground and replace it with their own "ideal" version of the tree (imo some of them is even worse than the current one). Anything far from this is considered the devs "ignoring" them. I just find that... eh, what's the word? Greedy?

And I guess you could understand that to start a war on a particular crowd by a reason like "Some of you are sinful so you all should be burned!" is more sinful than the imaginary reason right?

[somethin]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Are you a member of Klei?

Oh I wish, that would actually be my dream job! Too bad I can't code games for the life of me.

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

And I guess you could understand that to start a war on a particular crowd by a reason like "Some of you are sinful so you all should be burned!" is more sinful than the imaginary reason right?

I mean, I never start a war, I just want to voice out my observations and opinions. Isn't that what forums are for?
 

[Steorra]

1 minute ago, somethin said:

Oh I wish, that would actually be my dream job! Too bad I can't code games for the life of me.

I mean, I never start a war, I just want to voice out my observations and opinions. Isn't that what forums are for?
 

I guess there's a line between "voice my opinions" and "hate speech". But feel free to share your feelings. I leave it here.

[Yaorin yon]

25 minutes ago, somethin said:

...And players not getting everything they want exactly as they want all the time while saying the devs are "ignoring" them is called arrogance

A few days ago before the most recent update, I saw people from both side of the Wendy argument agreeing on something for once: changing shadow Abi. And they did just that, they change the vex to work better and she's still able to retain around the same dps level. People say they should be able to revive moon moths, they also add that. Adding mourning glories to casket? Done.

Yet there are also people who said the tree should be burned to the ground and replace it with their own "ideal" version of the tree (imo some of them is even worse than the current one). Anything far from this is considered the devs "ignoring" them. I just find that... eh, what's the word? Greedy?

But! That's just my 2 cents.

I have responded to a similar statement before. I will restate part of it here, hoping that you can understand what I am trying to express.

 

 

rst and foremost, the most important question: Why are significant reforms not allowed...?

I used to admire Klei for their willingness to make bold changes, such as replacing the unpopular glass cannon Wendy with Wanda, who was a much more satisfying character. Many demands for major reforms were repeatedly emphasized when this test server began. Yet, the current development team has been ignoring and delaying responses to these demands, dragging them out until today, and then having others tell you, “It’s too late for major reforms now.”, the current development team has been ignoring and delaying responses to these demands, dragging them out until today, and then having others tell you, “It’s too late for major reforms now.”

Should this be tolerated? It should be condemned.

Secondly, there are many issues that have been emphasized since their inception but still haven’t been adequately addressed:

The independent cooldown of Team Spirit, the probability of being haunted, and the removal of cooldowns.

Mourning Glory Wreath should retain its original potion duration when re-equipped.

Abigail and Mourning Glory Wreath need to run two or even more types of potions simultaneously.

Pipspooks’ quests are boring and need more ways to obtain Mourning Glory or improve the compatibility of Pipspooks’ quests with daily life.

Lunar Abigail is currently very weak (and still being nerfed).

The trigger mechanism for Shadow Abigail is poorly designed.

The entire Blessed Sisturn branch is of low quality and needs improvement, especially the handling of Sisturn3, which is particularly bad.

The function of tombstones is practically useless.

The Mourning Glory Altar is just a reskinned meat statue.

Vengeful Spirits are meaningless.

And there are many more significant issues.

Instead of addressing these, the development team is once again focusing on minor details, like reviving butterflies and moths, which is not praiseworthy. Wortox should know that in the future, it would be better to directly give you a bug net rather than reviving butterflies and moths.  

I won’t be impressed by Klei just because they’ve added 100 new recipes for the Pinetree Pioneer Hat for Walter.r Hat for Walter.

32 minutes ago, somethin said:

...And players not getting everything they want exactly as they want all the time while saying the devs are "ignoring" them is called arrogance

Summary: The worst form of arrogance is not just ignoring feedback, but selectively listening to it in a way that avoids addressing the real issues.

 

Players asked for Vex to be changed, to be weakened early on and strengthened later. However, Klei only implemented the weakening part and ignored the strengthening part. There are many more important suggestions than putting Mourning Glory in the basket or reviving the Lunar Moth. Yet, those were the only ones that were taken into account. The materials for the Lunar Moth were changed from the reasonable Moon Tree Flower to the unreasonable Lunar Moth Wings and four Mourning Glory.

 

None of this can be called "they seriously responded."

[00petar00]

13 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

No. I think my opinion is as valid as anybody else's.

14 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

It never did. My engagement with DST is about as high as it has ever been... Actually, I'm pretty sure it's higher now than it was who knows how many years ago when I bought it.

If you play from time to time your opinion while valid isn't good for the game. I am also the same and I know that my opinion shouldn't be as valued as someone who is playing year round.

14 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

I never criticized anyone who is advocating for better content, I'm saying you're wrong when you're trying to say Klei lied or misled you.

People can want better content all they want. As long as they're polite in how they phrase themselves, nobody will mind it. As long as their demands aren't unreasonable, of course (like asking for major character changes late in the beta, because that's just not happening).

But they did, it was never stated that we would get less content but that updates would happen less frequently so that they can iron out the bugs and we can give more feedback.

Who actually supports getting so much less content in the last few years when we got so much more during 2019 and 2020?

14 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

They promised the amount of content would be the same, not amount of updates. That is very different.

And measuring how much content is in an update is very subjective in the first place. You certainly can't count how much an Ocean update adds to the game and compare to how much a skill tree adds to the game.

This seems disingenuous to me, did you even look at the pictures that @Yaorin yonposted? We aren't getting the same amount of content and you already said this:

20 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

They didn't promise to not reduce updates. They said it very clearly that they were reducing them.

20 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

If an update looks fun, It might make me want to try it out and play around with it, and when I get tired of it, I move on to other games.

So you are contradicting yourself, saying that the amount of content would be the same and later saying that it doesn't matter since they said that they would reduce the amount of updates.

Basically you wouldn't care If updates are reduced so that we get much more less content because this isn't your main game and you play it when there is content which defeats the purpose because according to your logic klei could stop updating the game tomorrow and say that it is finished and you'd not care and just play it less and less until you quit.

5 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

No, no, the devs did nothing wrong. The reason for this anger is that some people are actually unstable enough to get angry over a videogame and actually want to lash out at other people online because of that.

This is silly behavior and the only people who are at fault are the ones who are lashing out at others and insulting others over a videogame.

Devs are just doing their job, they have nothing to do with people who can't behave appropriately in a public environment and who get angry over a videogame.

So decreasing the amount of content is not doing anything wrong? To you developers can do no wrong and that is why most games suck today because you keep buying and supporting them or you are the type of person to quit after a while even when you defend them so developers listening to you are making a mistake because according to you when you want to play you will and when you don't you'll stop but if DST didn't receive any updates for a few years there's a good chance you'd quit.

No one in this thread insulted developers in any way and yet you are trying to portray that narrative for some reason.

 

[Yaorin yon]

 

34 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

Who actually supports getting so much less content in the last few years when we got so much more during 2019 and 2020?

This seems disingenuous to me, did you even look at the pictures that @Yaorin yonposted? We aren't getting the same amount of content and you already said this:

I think the previous images might not have been intuitive enough. I have a more intuitive version from the wiki here to show just how exaggerated the difference in update quantities is. They are in Chinese, which might affect understanding, for which I apologize. Perhaps the icons can help convey the meaning of each update.

I don't know why, but the images always appear blurry when I open them. Here, I'll provide the wiki link for reference.

 

https://dontstarve.huijiwiki.com/wiki/饥荒：联机版/版本历史

 

 

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, 00petar00 said:

So decreasing the amount of content is not doing anything wrong? To you developers can do no wrong

Reducing the amount of content isn't doing anything wrong.

Devs can certainly do wrong though (like how the devs of Concord messed up horribly in the game's art direction and killed the game on release), I don't see how reducing cadency of free stuff is a wrong move though. It's just them giving less free stuff... Sure, this free stuff has the purpose of keeping people engaged and sell skins, but it's still just free stuff. I'll never complain about the cadency of free stuff, that's not a logical complaint to me (complaining about the specific content within the free stuff is valid though... As long as it's done respectfully, obviously).

If someone gets bored out of it... Well, they can just play something else. It's still not wrong to give less updates to something.

2 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

If you play from time to time your opinion while valid isn't good for the game. I am also the same and I know that my opinion shouldn't be as valued as someone who is playing year round.

Naaaaah. If I were to only give feedback to games I play year round, I'd only give feedback to mobile gachas I leave running while doing something else on PC.

Why would I ever bother with playing a single game year round when I can play multiple games to completion and move to the next ones? This idea makes no sense to me. I get that there are people who play the same game for thousands of hours, but well... Good for them? Being someone that actually plays games to completion and moves on doesn't make your opinion any less valid than theirs.

[WANZUN]

Ah, it's free, it's free again, where is it free?

Ah, it's free, it's free again, where is it free?

Where do English players think the end of ontology ends, and what version should be paid for?

The game is paid, the skin is charged, where shows that the end of the journey, klei issued a statement? Why do you always talk like klei is doing charity? you English players shout for free every day. We pay players want more updates. They are always here free, free, where on earth is free?

Players who like to yell for free are still those who hardly start games for a year. So it is true that 50% of the DST finishes are from them.

[SilverSpoon]

16 minutes ago, WANZUN said:

The game is paid, the skin is charged, where shows that the end of the journey, klei issued a statement? Why do you always talk like klei is doing charity? you English players shout for free every day. We pay players want more updates. They are always here free, free, where on earth is free?

WANZUN, Please don't.

As a Japanese person, I sure you that what you are saying is not a characteristic of the English, and I don't want to be labeled with any nationality no matter what the characteristics are, and in the first place, the free updates is not the paid updates matter what else happens, and DST is a game that you can play 100% without extra paying if you don't want to pay.

[WANZUN]

Digress again. I think dlc is a good way for klei at present, not only to solve the problem of shortage of manpower, but also to make people wait full of anticipation, but these players who are shouting free updates every day will have a headache.

[SilverSpoon]

1 hour ago, WANZUN said:

Digress again. I think dlc is a good way for klei at present, not only to solve the problem of shortage of manpower, but also to make people wait full of anticipation, but these players who are shouting free updates every day will have a headache.

I apologize for misunderstanding that you meant that "the Klei update is not a free update". However, please don't label the English Player.

[AliceShiki]

8 hours ago, WANZUN said:

Ah, it's free, it's free again, where is it free?

Ah, it's free, it's free again, where is it free?

Where do English players think the end of ontology ends, and what version should be paid for?

The game is paid, the skin is charged, where shows that the end of the journey, klei issued a statement? Why do you always talk like klei is doing charity? you English players shout for free every day. We pay players want more updates. They are always here free, free, where on earth is free?

Players who like to yell for free are still those who hardly start games for a year. So it is true that 50% of the DST finishes are from them.

I paid for the game.

I didn't pay for updates. The updates are the free stuff.

The cosmetics are paid, but you don't need to pay for cosmetics to access the updates.

So yes, it is free stuff. That's all I'm saying.

The only thing you need to pay for is the game itself. Every update that Klei releases after that is just free stuff... And then there are cosmetics you can buy if you want.

Like... I dunno, I don't see how one can argue that the updates aren't free? Like... Klei obviously isn't doing out of charity, I already said that a few times. They release free updates to keep people engaged in order to get them to buy cosmetics... But it still doesn't change the fact that the updates are free. It's free stuff and I'm gonna treat it like free stuff. That's all there is to it.

[WANZUN]

3 hours ago, AliceShiki said:

我付了游戏的钱。

我没有付费更新。更新是免费的。

化妆品是付费的，但是你不需要为化妆品付费就能获得更新。

所以是的，这是免费的东西。我就说这么多。

你唯一需要付费的是游戏本身。此后Klei发布的每一个更新都是免费的...如果你想的话，还有化妆品可以买。

喜欢...我不知道，我不明白怎么会有人认为更新不是免费的？喜欢...克莱显然不是出于慈善，我已经说过几次了。他们发布免费更新来吸引人们购买化妆品...但这仍然不能改变更新是免费的这一事实。这是免费的，我会像对待免费的东西一样对待它。这就是全部了。

Ah, isn't the game a semi-finished product? When did DST say it was a full version? Where should I pay for content from?

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Haven't you ever played a game that can be played for free, and will be updated for free, or a buyout game that will continue to be updated for free when the game is over? Even if DST is now declared to be a free game, attracting others to buy skin updates for free, DST is not a free update for me. I am a paid game. I admit that the game is not expensive, but the game has never said that he is the full version, unless klei announces that the DST game is done, the story is over, and then continue to update, then I will admit that he is free to update.

[WANZUN]

From which version should be counted as charging content, if you can answer, calculate the charity klei lost hundreds of millions of dollars.