WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 1 hour ago, Dingle said: I never knew it didn't have a health penalty either. That's pretty good. I don't think Effigy has a health penalty either? I'll check. Effegy: Altar: Yeah, thought so, they're functionally identical items. So misinformation is just being spread here. 1 hour ago, Bumber64 said: And doesn't require beard hair, which is great for a non-Wilson. Eh. Wendy's the best character for farming spelmonkeys, so it's a negligable change. 10 MG is a LOT if you don't invest in pipspook quest. 15 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: All of which require a visit to caves or insanity. (I also understand that Abi soloing splumonkeys doesn't make her "strong", and that Wendy is Wes against shadows. Is that correct?) Past experience says it's the rot, due to the quantity. Nitre can be an issue due to gunpowder/Webber/Wormwood. A cheaper version of the same thing, that comes with its own skin, is bad somehow? Wormwood basically got jelly beans from one of his skills. Seems Wendy players are just spoiled and need to complain about every little thing. The difference is Wormwood got a cheaper version of one of the best items in the game. Wendy got a cheaper version of an item that sees literally zero use. It's also a tier 3 skill compared to something Wormwood gets as part of his base kit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 4 minutes ago, WenericMember said: Wendy got a cheaper version of an item that sees literally zero use. It instantly revives you back at base instead of having to wander as a ghost. Why do you think it sees zero use? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 16 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: A cheaper version of the same thing, that comes with its own skin, is bad somehow? In my own server's chest: 771 beard hair, 27 mourning glory. I'm curious about which one is cheaper. 2 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: It instantly revives you back at base instead of having to wander as a ghost. Why do you think it sees zero use? Meat Effigy does exactly the same thing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 7 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: It instantly revives you back at base instead of having to wander as a ghost. Why do you think it sees zero use? Because reviving you back at base, leaving all your valuable stuff in the wilderness isn't what you want 90% of the time? It'd probably see more use if Keep inventory was used for the altar. 5 minutes ago, Yifei_ said: In my own server's chest: 771 beard hair, 27 mourning glory. I'm curious about which one is cheaper. Meat Effigy does exactly the same thing Yeah, Beard hair is technically rarer, but it has basically zero use aside from effigies. MG is used in a bunch of other things so it's a lot more valuable of a resource. Edit: What am I saying. It is literally only useful for Effigy unless you're bernie. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 5 minutes ago, Yifei_ said: In my own server's chest: 771 beard hair, 27 mourning glory. I'm curious about which one is cheaper. You spend as much time doing pipspooks as splumonkeys? That's 771+ splumonkeys in nightmare phase alone. 27 is less than two pipspooks now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 2 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: You spend as much time doing pipspooks as splumonkeys? That's 771+ splumonkeys in nightmare phase alone. 27 is less than two pipspooks now. No... It's that the MG is actually being used because it's a valuable item. Beard Hair has Literally Zero Use for Wendy aside from meat effigy. People farm spelunkys as it gives bananas and NF. Beard Hair is incidental. And again, Effigy just isn't a good enough item to be worth making, so current Altar sees even less use.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaorin yon Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 34 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: All of which require a visit to caves or insanity. (I also understand that Abi soloing splumonkeys doesn't make her "strong", and that Wendy is Wes against shadows. Is that correct?) Past experience says it's the rot, due to the quantity. Nitre can be an issue due to gunpowder/Webber/Wormwood. A cheaper version of the same thing, that comes with its own skin, is bad somehow? Wormwood basically got his own jelly beans. Woodie got a walking cane. Seems Wendy players are just spoiled and need to complain about every little thing. You don't have to use the skill if you think it's worthless. Do you think the price of meat sculptures is very expensive? Just pass by the monkey and you can get dozens of whiskers while obtaining nightmare fuel, meat, and bananas, or is it the easiest wood to repeatedly obtain in this game? Not to mention that the substitutes obtained by the characters you mentioned are all top-notch items, but what is a meat statue that deserves praise? I'm afraid I came up with the absurdity of this content from the perspective of a DST player. On the contrary, the logical conclusion you expressed makes me feel that you are a biased player towards Wendy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 4 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: You spend as much time doing pipspooks as splumonkeys? That's 771+ splumonkeys in nightmare phase alone. 27 is less than two pipspooks now. What I want to say is that for Wendy without a skill tree, collecting beard hair is already quite easy. Moreover, beard hair is not only low-cost, but also almost only consumed by Meat Effigy. To mass-produce mourning glory, you need to spend three skill points on the pipspook branch and also need skill points on the headstone branch. Besides, mourning glory has other uses. Using mourning glory in this regard is simply a waste. Just try playing Wendy to clear the ruins, and you'll know how easy and satisfying it is to kill shadow splumonkeys and how rich the rewards are. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 16 minutes ago, Yifei_ said: In my own server's chest: 771 beard hair, 27 mourning glory. I'm curious about which one is cheaper. Meat Effigy does exactly the same thing Also is that verdant Abigail's Flower? It's so pretty... I want to weave a few more kind's of abigail's flowers but I can't find all their sprites/animations. I have roseate, victorian and snowfallen, any recommendations? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 8 hours ago, WenericMember said: Necromancy in Wendy's tree.... should absolutely be a thing what? Wendy has always been trying to properly resurrect Abigail. It's her inspect quote for like 60% of the recent revival items. Wickerbottom notes Wendy is "uniquely equipped" to handle ghosts upon reviving someone. Rebirth has always been a aspect of Wendy's character. Resurrection doesn't means necromancy. Domination after resurrection does. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 12 minutes ago, WenericMember said: People farm spelunkys as it gives bananas and NF. Beard Hair is incidental. And if you aren't farming those, you won't have any. The grave is day one resources, IIRC? (Cut stone, don't remember the third thing, unless it was health.) 7 minutes ago, Yifei_ said: Just try playing Wendy to clear the ruins, and you'll know how easy and satisfying it is to kill shadow splumonkeys and how rich the rewards are. It's funny: I was told she couldn't destroy waves of anything but normal spiders before skill tree. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 4 minutes ago, WenericMember said: want to weave a few more kind's of abigail's flowers but I can't find all their sprites/animations. I have roseate, victorian and snowfallen, any recommendations? The merrymaker one is pretty imo. Though, I usually just weave whatever Wendy head skin that I have the clothes of, and get the Abby flower with it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaorin yon Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 44 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: You don't have to use the skill if you think it's worthless. You seem to be recommending others to stick to a skill tree that leaves you with no more choice, which is worth preserving, isn't it? If a skill point is so useless, it is the biggest mistake to keep it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 12 minutes ago, Steorra said: Resurrection doesn't means necromancy. Domination after resurrection does. Necromancy in english mainly refers to raising the dead. And none of the things listed in the post fall under the OPS on definition of necromancy. Either Wendy has always been performing necromancy or still isn't. She's always summoned spirits. She's never (and still doesn't) exert direct control over them. "Wendy could let things die around her" is an immense semantics. It was absoslutely not how she was intended to be played and is coddling her character. She has always been prepared to kill things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 2 hours ago, Bumber64 said: And doesn't require beard hair, which is great for a non-Wilson. Wendy is never lack of beard hair if you think she is never lack of silk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 10 minutes ago, WenericMember said: Also is that verdant Abigail's Flower? It's so pretty... I want to weave a few more kind's of abigail's flowers but I can't find all their sprites/animations. I have roseate, victorian and snowfallen, any recommendations? Yes, this skin is Verdant (my favorite one). Moonbound and Holiday Spirit are also great! Abigail's Flower is fantastic for base decoration! They bloom when you pass by them, and I really like this design. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 4 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: And if you aren't farming those, you won't have any. The grave is day one resources, IIRC? (Cut stone, don't remember the third thing, unless it was health.) It's funny: I was told she couldn't destroy waves of anything but normal spiders before skill tree. You are citing posts with barely any agreement. It has one singular hart. That's taking a fringe view and using it as a gotcha. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 1 minute ago, Yaorin yon said: You seem to be recommending others to stick to a skill tree that leaves you with no more choice, which is worth preserving, isn't it? If a skill point is so useless, it is the biggest mistake to keep it. Vengeful ghost was sold as just a "fun" skill. Wraith wreath and the grave are the same. If there's no choice, it's because all the other options are great. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 Just now, Yifei_ said: Yes, this skin is Verdant (my favorite one). Moonbound and Holiday Spirit are also great! Abigail's Flower is fantastic for base decoration! They bloom when you pass by them, and I really like this design. Oohh I love moonbound. Which one's holiday spirit? If I ever start to make more elaborate bases I'll keep it in mind. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steorra Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 52 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: You don't have to use the skill if you think it's worthless. Once again. If you don't like to hear some different opinions then you might quit the forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 5 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: It's funny: I was told she couldn't destroy waves of anything but spiders before skill tree. What attitude towards my viewpoint are you trying to express by quoting a post that I've never even seen? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 1 minute ago, WenericMember said: You are citing posts with barely any agreement. It has one singular hart. That's taking a fringe view and using it as a gotcha. It's not a gotcha. That thread was laughable then and now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 Just now, Bumber64 said: Vengeful ghost was sold as just a "fun" skill. Wraith wreath and the grave are the same. If there's no choice, it's because all the other options are great. But the other two skills still actually give unique perks though, unlike this. If the grave does something unique, even if it's not great I'd be fine with it. Just now, Bumber64 said: It's not a gotcha. That thread was laughable then and now. So why cite it as a rebuttal? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 Just now, WenericMember said: So why cite it as a rebuttal? Because Wendy always needs more. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yifei_ Posted January 15, 2025 Share Posted January 15, 2025 2 minutes ago, WenericMember said: Oohh I love moonbound. Which one's holiday spirit? If I ever start to make more elaborate bases I'll keep it in mind. This one Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/163138-when-we-call-for-the-removal-of-necromancy-elements-from-wendys-skill-tree-what-are-we-advocating-for-an-attempt-to-reconstruct-wendys-skill-tree-through-the-lens-of-mysticism-and-spirit-communication-thoughts-and-suggestions/page/2/#findComment-1785763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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