When We Call for the Removal of Necromancy Elements from Wendy's Skill Tree, What Are We Advocating For? An Attempt to Reconstruct Wendy's Skill Tree Through the Lens of Mysticism and Spirit Communication: Thoughts and Suggestions

[Swiyss]

7 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Do you want to tell me that I should be grateful that there are 12 skill points in a skill tree related to Mourning Glory products, so Mourning Glory is actually secondary to Wendy? And I can only obtain mourning glory through Pispouks, which is an unparalleled honor? Just using absurdity seems far from enough to describe what you are saying.

Absurd is wanting morning glory and not wanting to search for pipspooks. Do you also want a foot massage?

[Yaorin yon]

20 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

 

All of those are primary resources. Wendy's Mourning Glory is not a primary resource, It's a luxury resource that is used on only elixirs. It's a niche character specific resource that ties into a fun way to obtain it. If not, Klei should make pipspook have 2 more quests, with different ways to obtain it, be it digging something, searching elsewhere or even performing a ritual to put thepispook's soul to sleep. I'd advocate for more minigames andquests, not less.

Your 'one way' seems a bit confusing, I hope you know what you're saying. I have to say that you are very loyal to [defining resources], but in fact, it is a product of mourning glory and cannot be considered a luxury resource at all. Unless you feel that using character exclusive items is a luxury, if that is the prerequisite, then I can only offer you a formula of grass and tree branches as a gesture of respect. After all, you seem to have a strong interest in ignoring other carefully crafted attributions to make opposing opinions.

5 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

Absurd is wanting morning glory and not wanting to search for pipspooks. Do you also want a foot massage?

It's absurd to want to mourn glory but have to go find ghosts to do the same thing from beginning to end. Do you deserve to rely solely on one type of food to maintain your vital signs for a lifetime?

[Swiyss]

3 minutes ago, Yaorin yon said:

Your 'one way' seems a bit confusing, I hope you know what you're saying. I have to say that you are very loyal to [defining resources], but in fact, it is a product of mourning glory and cannot be considered a luxury resource at all. Unless you feel that using character exclusive items is a luxury, if that is the prerequisite, then I can only offer you a formula of grass and tree branches as a gesture of respect. After all, you seem to have a strong interest in ignoring other carefully crafted attributions to make opposing opinions.

I'm all for making pispook's quest better and adding more fun ways to get morning glory through them. But I'm completely against simply putting petals in a sisturn and receiving free morning glory after some time. What if there's 2 Wendys in a server? This is simply ridiculous to me.

[Yaorin yon]

16 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

I'm all for making pispook's quest better and adding more fun ways to get morning glory through them. But I'm completely against simply putting petals in a sisturn and receiving free morning glory after some time. What if there's 2 Wendys in a server? This is simply ridiculous to me.

I also hope to have more diverse and reasonable Pispouks related to mourning glory.

And the production capacity of the content mentioned in this article is quite low (collecting 4 petals takes 6 days to receive 4 mourning honors). Personally, for me, being overly opposed to this is actually a bit overcorrected. And I also didn't understand the impact of what you said about 'two Wendy's', does it mean that two people shouldn't have access to more resources? I'm a bit elusive.

[congrongfuguo]

33 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

I'm all for making pispook's quest better and adding more fun ways to get morning glory through them. But I'm completely against simply putting petals in a sisturn and receiving free morning glory after some time. What if there's 2 Wendys in a server? This is simply ridiculous to me.

The author not only did not abandon pispook, but also designed a new interaction for it. It is obvious that the petal turning into mourning glory is not a design to obtain resources, but only a beautification design because the efficiency is too low.

[Swiyss]

2 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

The author not only did not abandon pispook, but also designed a new interaction for it. It is obvious that the petal turning into mourning glory is not a design to obtain resources, but only a beautification design because the efficiency is too low.

The solution seems lazy. Just put petals in there and boom, you have 4 mourning glorys.

[congrongfuguo]

9 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

The solution seems lazy. Just put petals in there and boom, you have 4 mourning glorys.

You're struggling with something very strange .How do you define the value of your labor .What is the value of helping the little ghost?You can get 20 in a little while.Sisturn may take 10 days to produce 4 pieces.

[Koomin]

7 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

You're struggling with something very strange .How do you define the value of your labor .What is the value of helping the little ghost?You can get 20 in a little while.Sisturn may take 10 days to produce 4 pieces.

Nah I completely agree here with their opinion here.  I pick Wendy to actually play as Wendy and I enjoy feeling like I worked for and earned things.  Standing around while mourning glory is automatically produced for me is neither of those things, and I really would not like them to add it in.

[congrongfuguo]

1 minute ago, Koomin said:

Nah I completely agree here with their opinion here. I pick Wendy to actually play as Wendy and I enjoy feeling like I worked for and earned things. Standing around while mourning glory is automatically produced for me is neither of those things, and I really would not like them to add it in.

So what effort did you put in when picking up the seeds on the ground, and why do you feel at ease at this moment? What you proposed is not a convincing reason for communication

[Koomin]

Just now, congrongfuguo said:

So what effort did you put in when picking up the seeds on the ground, and why do you feel at ease at this moment? What you proposed is not a convincing reason for communication

1.  Most importantly, don't starve is largely a game about managing your time.  I invested time into it, which impacts other things in my world and other decisions I make.  For example "I have a day of time available in autumn: should I go to the lunar island and get a kelp farm going, or go get mourning glories for boss fights?". It is the reason why you don't just automatically generate all other resources in your inventory.  The time and effort that you put into getting them adds to the game experience.

2.  The quests are usually somewhere in the world where there are dangers or other things to avoid or interact with.

3.  It is fun for me to play the ghost interacting character and help out the little ghosts.  I pick Wendy to actually interact with the character's upsides and downsides and her game mechanics, not bypass them.

None of this is true if I would just wander around the world and then come back to my base where there is automatically generated mourning glory.

[congrongfuguo]

4 minutes ago, Koomin said:

1.  Most importantly, don't starve is largely a game about managing your time.  I invested time into it, which impacts other things in my world and other decisions I make.  For example "I have a day of time available in autumn: should I go to the lunar island and get a kelp farm going, or go get mourning glories for boss fights?". It is the reason why you don't just automatically generate all other resources in your inventory.  The time and effort that you put into getting them adds to the game experience.

2.  The quests are usually somewhere in the world where there are dangers or other things to avoid or interact with.

3.  It is fun for me to play the ghost interacting character and help out the little ghosts.  I pick Wendy to actually interact with the character's upsides and downsides and her game mechanics, not bypass them.

None of this is true if I would just wander around the world and then come back to my base where there is automatically generated mourning glory.

Helping thepispoop is still the most efficient way. The purpose of this design is to beautify sisturn . When you return home, you will see four pure white mourning glories instead of decay.This is the purpose of this design. Even so, do you still oppose it？

[Koomin]

8 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

Helping thepispoop is still the most efficient way. The purpose of this design is to beautify sisturn . When you return home, you will see four pure white mourning glories instead of decay.This is the purpose of this design. Even so, do you still oppose it？

If you cannot pick them up or use them (they instantly rot if you pick them up or are they are just visual or something) and they are just there for beauty, then yes that sounds great.

[congrongfuguo]

Just now, Koomin said:

If you cannot pick them up or use them and they are just there for beauty, then yes that sounds great.

what do you think mourning glories is？why sisturn can not produce mourning glories？

[Koomin]

Just now, congrongfuguo said:

what do you think mourning glories is？why sisturn can not produce mourning glories？

What?  We have literally just discussed this and given reasons with many comments   Here are links to all of the reasons why if you want to reread them?

27 minutes ago, Koomin said:

1.  Most importantly, don't starve is largely a game about managing your time.  I invested time into it, which impacts other things in my world and other decisions I make.  For example "I have a day of time available in autumn: should I go to the lunar island and get a kelp farm going, or go get mourning glories for boss fights?". It is the reason why you don't just automatically generate all other resources in your inventory.  The time and effort that you put into getting them adds to the game experience.

2.  The quests are usually somewhere in the world where there are dangers or other things to avoid or interact with.

3.  It is fun for me to play the ghost interacting character and help out the little ghosts.  I pick Wendy to actually interact with the character's upsides and downsides and her game mechanics, not bypass them.

None of this is true if I would just wander around the world and then come back to my base where there is automatically generated mourning glory.

 

45 minutes ago, Koomin said:

Nah I completely agree here with their opinion here.  I pick Wendy to actually play as Wendy and I enjoy feeling like I worked for and earned things.  Standing around while mourning glory is automatically produced for me is neither of those things, and I really would not like them to add it in.

 

2 hours ago, Swiyss said:

I'm all for making pispook's quest better and adding more fun ways to get morning glory through them. But I'm completely against simply putting petals in a sisturn and receiving free morning glory after some time. What if there's 2 Wendys in a server? This is simply ridiculous to me.

 

[congrongfuguo]

2 minutes ago, Koomin said:

What?  We have literally just discussed this and given reasons with many comments   Here are links to all of the reasons why if you want to reread them?

 

 

 

I mean, in the worldview of DST, what is it? If you bring up these words again, it will only bring us back to the problem of picking seeds, from which we cannot extract consensus

Wendy can commune with Pipspooks to help them find peace in exchange for Mourning Glory.——This is the official statement. It seems that MG is a spiritual force derived from the calming emotions of ghosts 

Sisturn embodies Wendy's longing and is influenced by the ghost of Abigail. Abigail feels peaceful from it and petal become Mourning Glory. I don't think this setting is strange at all

[Koomin]

2 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

I mean, in the worldview of DST, what is it? If you bring up these words again, it will only bring us back to the problem of picking seeds, from which we cannot extract consensus

Wendy can commune with Pipspooks to help them find peace in exchange for Mourning Glory.——This is the official statement. It seems that MG is a spiritual force derived from the calming emotions of ghosts 

Sisturn embodies Wendy's longing and is influenced by the ghost of Abigail. Abigail feels peaceful from it and petal become Mourning Glory. I don't think this setting is strange at all

I don't really think it is worthwhile to give everything that you could rationalize can produce something in the game through lore the ability to do it.  Like it would really annoy me if frogs and birds and things started pooping all over the world because that fits the lore and worldview.

If we really want the sisturn to produce mourning glory though for lore, and we really want it for beauty: again yes- I totally agree that they could update the sisturn model to show mourning glory or something on it.  Just as long as you can't actually gather it.  I'm a bit confused why you said you only want it for beauty but now are not happy with it being only for beauty?

[congrongfuguo]

Just now, Koomin said:

I don't really think it is worthwhile to give everything that you could rationalize can produce something in the game through lore the ability to do it.  Like it would really annoy me if frogs and birds and things started pooping all over the world because that fits the lore and worldview.

If we really want the sisturn to produce mourning glory though for lore, and we really want it for beauty: again yes- I totally agree that they could update the sisturn model to show mourning glory or something on it.  Just as long as you can't actually gather it.  I'm a bit confused why you said you only want it for beauty but now are not happy with it being only for beauty?

I also feel confused as to why you are still unwilling to accept this acquisition method even though it will not affect your time management. I can only consider this issue from the perspective of worldview

Besides that, we actually need to discuss another question. Would you be willing to receive mourning glory more easily in the later stages of the game

[Swiyss]

1 hour ago, congrongfuguo said:

You're struggling with something very strange .How do you define the value of your labor .What is the value of helping the little ghost?You can get 20 in a little while.Sisturn may take 10 days to produce 4 pieces.

yeah exactly, you just proved to me why this idea is kinda stupid.

 

5 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

Would you be willing to receive mourning glory more easily in the later stages of the game

This is only necessary if they actually buff/fix the Wraith's Wreath. As it currently stands, it is not worth to use any potion on it rather than spectre cure-all and nightshade nostrum.

[Koomin]

7 minutes ago, congrongfuguo said:

I also feel confused as to why you are still unwilling to accept this acquisition method even though it will not affect your time management. I can only consider this issue from the perspective of worldview

Besides that, we actually need to discuss another question. Would you be willing to receive mourning glory more easily in the later stages of the game

As long as it's not produced automatically, sure.

[congrongfuguo]

1 minute ago, Swiyss said:

yeah exactly, you just proved to me why this idea is kinda stupid.

 

So after you shouted that it ruined your game, it has now become irrelevant again?  

[congrongfuguo]

2 hours ago, Koomin said:

As long as it's not produced automatically, sure.

I do have an idea, it's a bit complicated

This is an extension of Wendy's ability to communicate with ghosts, including the entire Wendy cemetery construction plan：

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1.  Wendy can use her supernatural powers to track ghosts at night and find their remains (there will be some supplies around those failed adventurers), take them home, and bury them in the graves she built herself.

 

2.  Then build a comfortable cemetery: build altars, surround walls, decorate tombstones, write each person's epitaph, plant flowers and fireflies, place statues，Hire security guards (pigs and rabbits) to drive away bats that regularly appear(Like the crow playground in summer) Ask Abigail to greet them and put food as sacrificial offering (which will rot faster due to the enjoyment of ghosts)

 

3.  Ghosts who feel goodwill wake up from the grave and appear every night to illuminate your grave and cool down your Thermal Stone.

 

4.  The ghosts will ask Wendy to fulfill their last wishes. Perhaps it's to search for a relic, perhaps it's to avenge the monsters for them, or perhaps it's to find a destination they couldn't reach (some vague descriptions create puzzles) You can record these requests in a papyrus notebook and complete them at the appropriate time.（If you bring back the bodies of Romeo and Juliet , you can complete two tasks at the same time）

Ghosts whose wishes are fulfilled will become happy, and they can appear during the day to defend the cemetery——And finnally They produce Mourning Glories around their graves(By the way, burying remains, completing decorations, and completing each task will also earn mourning glory)

 

5.  When Wendy built a beautiful cemetery and helped a sufficient number of ghosts, they began to give Wendy more feedback and lend her their strength as gratitude (along with the rent for the house) Fulfilling her three wishes every day,lifting a lightweight object from the ground to float around Wendy（I think this is a common skill of ghosts）

Wendy can use this ability to hold umbrellas and lanterns, pick up items from the sea, transport some supplies, take potions from the casket while moving, and hold Shadow Thuribles when fighting against Ancient Fuelweaver.

 

In addition, during battles with enemies, debris on the ground can sometimes fly up and attack Wendy's enemies, so you can sprinkle some stones on the ground before fighting the boss.

(If the design is bolder, when Wendy chooses a fixed object as her target, she will fly there herself. She can also move other adventurers)

（In order to use this ability in the early stages of the game, Wendy can also have the opportunity to use ghost power when helping Pispook, but it will consume mourning glory）

 

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The above content will cover the entire pispook branch, grave branch, and possibly a part of the sisturn branch. In order to obtain them, you have to give up some skills related to Abigail reinforcement and potions

 

(There are still some aspects that need to be improved, such as how to better integrate cemeteries and campsites to make adventurers' lives more comfortable, and what other interesting ghost related gameplay are available.) 

This is another Wendy's way of life from the Skill Tree. You can choose it or other paths. If possible, I also hope Abigail can make friends.

 

There are many contents here that we may only use a part of for now. Because Wendy needs to gradually become proficient in communicating with ghosts, when Klei wants to develop ghost related content, they can add more things

——There are very few ghost content and no ghost bosses in DST now

[Bumber64]

7 hours ago, Yaorin yon said:

I have to say that you are very loyal to [defining resources], but in fact, it is a product of mourning glory and cannot be considered a luxury resource at all.

This amuses me because of the fact that a bunch of people* arguing that Wendy was a weak character admitted to not actually using elixirs at all, and wanted huge buffs because they refused to craft them.

*One particular user admitted to it. There was a poll showing results, corresponding to many users downplaying Wendy's strength.

[Echsrick]

4 minutes ago, Shining Galaxy said:

You use Wendy and utilize all the elixirs you find useful; I'll use Wolf, and let's compete in a speed run — since you guys think Wendy is too strong and Wolf is weak.

were there not allready several videos about this how fast wendy can kill things? and even faster then wolfgang

[Dingle]

19 minutes ago, Shining Galaxy said:

You use Wendy and utilize all the elixirs you find useful; I'll use Wolf, and let's compete in a speed run — since you guys think Wendy is too strong and Wolf is weak.

Are you posting this to the wrong thread or something?

What does Wolfgang have to do with Wendy players not using elixirs? What does Wolfgang have to do with this thread?

[Yaorin yon]

2 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

This amuses me because of the fact that a bunch of people* arguing that Wendy was a weak character admitted to not actually using elixirs at all, and wanted huge buffs because they refused to craft them.

*One particular user admitted to it. There was a poll showing results, corresponding to many users downplaying Wendy's strength.

Our canned man received ecstatic content from an unrelated statement, is this a joke with psychopathic qualities?

1 hour ago, Echsrick said:

were there not allready several videos about this how fast wendy can kill things? and even faster then wolfgang

Excuse me, is this the Wooden Pile Research Institute? Or is Wolfgang a character that Echsrick cannot use?

56 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Are you posting this to the wrong thread or something?

What does Wolfgang have to do with Wendy players not using elixirs? What does Wolfgang have to do with this thread?

I think he was reminding that person of the erroneous conclusion they had made elsewhere and the current erroneous conclusion

6 hours ago, Koomin said:

As long as it's not produced automatically, sure.

Is collecting petals and waiting for 6 days an automatic generation? Each character has a way to turn basic resources/creatures into unique abilities, why can't Wendy use petals?