Blessed Sisturn III is one of my biggests disappointments with Klei.

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

No? Woodie is EZ for early ruin rush and many bosses rush. I'm casual indeed.

Okay so what's the definition of "casual"?

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

you are a "skillful" player.

do you need armors, weapons, or any other resources.

Probably. 

[layangan putus]

3 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Giving Abigail 99% damage resistance would also " improve the general efficiency for this specific situation". That's why it's not an argument. If you're rushing things, then you're not playing the game casually. You have both skillful and less skillful that do not require the player tag.

There's plenty that can be done if you get together when necessary. I've played many games on public servers and with friends, I know how the together experience is.

 

That's why the dev are great - They manage to know all perspectives, thus releasing Abi player tag for Winter Break to really see what's up. This tag could be used for beginners (new to the game), casuals (who take things slow), and experienced players (more possibilities), and also team player (general efficiency). They design game for their customers like of course it's an argument. Also different team, different playstyles so up to you to use Abi player tag or not.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Okay so what's the definition of "casual"?

None of my business. 

[Dingle]

Just now, Steorra said:

None of my business. 

Didn't you use the word in a topic title?

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

Okay so what's the definition of "casual"?

Probably. 

 i would like to see you using Wendy to defeat a deerclop, one of the easiest bosses in the game, without any armors, weapons and resources.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

 i would like to see you using Wendy to defeat a deerclop, one of the easiest bosses in the game, without any armors, weapons and resources.

Yeah! And do it with your monitor and speakers off!

If you can't, Xplan proves the point. Though I can't tell what point xplan was trying to make.

In any case, checkmate, Klei!

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, DST enjoyer said:

That's why the dev are great - They manage to know all perspectives, thus releasing Abi player tag for Winter Break to really see what's up. This tag could be used for beginners (new to the game), casuals (who take things slow), and experienced players (more possibilities), and also team player (general efficiency). They design game for their customers like of course it's an argument. Also different team, different playstyles so up to you to use Abi player tag or not.

All of this equally applies to Spectral Cure All and Ghastly Experience. So you've still not given a single reason why the player tag is needed.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Didn't you use the word in a topic title?

The simple truth is that some of you are just obsessed with the game of defining and arguing. I have no interest to be involved. If you have any questions about it, "Klei reserved all the right for the final explanation".

[hyoton123]

5 minutes ago, Xplan said:

 i would like to see you using Wendy to defeat a deerclop, one of the easiest bosses in the game, without any armors, weapons and resources.

Wouldnt you just run it over a few tentacles? Like, no attack runs are a thing.

[Lardee]

4 minutes ago, Steorra said:

None of my business. 

You used the word, so clearly it is your business. I'll ask again, what is the definition of "casual"?

[Xplan]

Just now, Dingle said:

Yeah! And do it with your monitor and speakers off!

If you can't, Xplan proves the point. Though I can't tell what point xplan was trying to make.

In any case, checkmate, Klei!

You are being toxic and hilarious.

didnt you see that he said he could.

[Dingle]

Just now, Steorra said:

The simple truth is that some of you are just obsessed with the game of defining and arguing. I have no interest to be involved. If you have any questions about it, "Klei reserved all the right for the final explanation".

Seems like a really weak and transparent argumentative tactic to refuse to define your own terms.

[Lardee]

4 minutes ago, Xplan said:

 i would like to see you using Wendy to defeat a deerclop, one of the easiest bosses in the game, without any armors, weapons and resources.

Why is this relevant to the point?

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Seems like a really weak and transparent argumentative tactic to refuse to define your own terms.

Because I refuse to waste my time for feeding someone's narcissim. These people are not aiming for creative compromise idea, nor to satisfy people as more as possible. They are just enjoying their illusion of superiority. Bye.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

Because I refuse to waste my time for feeding someone's narcissim. These people are not aiming for creative compromise idea, nor to satisfy people as more as possible. They are just enjoying their illusion of superiority. Bye.

At least you admitted it, I guess.

[Xplan]

1 minute ago, Dingle said:

Seems like a really weak and transparent argumentative tactic to refuse to define your own terms.

her terms?

let's find out who mentioned casual first and refuse to define it.

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, Xplan said:

You are being toxic and hilarious.

didnt you see that he said he could.

He said he'd probably need a weapon, armor, resources. Not that he would need none of those. You made that up.

Just now, Xplan said:

her terms?

let's find out who mentioned casual first and refuse to define it.

Steorra did. Theres a topic saying so. In the title. On the front page of the beta forums.

Can't miss it.

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

her terms?

let's find out who mentioned casual first and refuse to define it.

I didn't refuse to define anything. I was never asked. I would have gladly gave a definition if one was requested.

I requested a definition from Steorra because we clearly have different ideas about what "casual" means.

[Xplan]

Just now, Dingle said:

He said he'd probably need a weapon, armor, resources. Not that he would need none of those. You made that up.

okay that is my fault indeed.

[layangan putus]

17 minutes ago, Lardee said:

All of this equally applies to Spectral Cure All and Ghastly Experience. So you've still not given a single reason why the player tag is needed.

Okay my bad, I am mistaken to think we'd discussed this somewhere else.

 

Player tag could be useful for:

• Beginners as last resort against giant obstacles (Spectral Cure-All: Beginners I've seen they are always having difficulties with maintaining health // Ghastly Experience: They don't know Forget-Me-Lots as material needed for strong tool Wendy has, let alone know the way to make mass production) 
• Casuals as play as they go along (Assuming they choose Wendy and Abi because of cute, they just suffer if Abi is dying)
• Experienced players as more methods to use (Problem-solving like brainstorming activity for people outside forum)
• Team players as general efficiency (Lune Tree Blossoms inside Sisturn can greatly reduce the grinding and bring consistency in server with bad latency or call it delay when playing)

Stacking Spectral Cure All & Ghastly Experience alone takes the enjoyment and then use them in a fight would be inefficient because then you'd be busy re-summoning Abi & healing Abi instead of hitting the giant so longer suffering for what?

[hyoton123]

Anyway I've been pretty disappointed by klei's handling of the beta as well, OP. It's the holidays though I guess.

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, DST enjoyer said:

Stacking Spectral Cure All & Ghastly Experience alone takes the enjoyment and then use them in a fight would be inefficient because then you'd be busy healing Abi instead of hitting the giant so longer suffering for what?

Could you elaborate on this? I may be reading it wrong.

[Xplan]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Steorra did. Theres a topic saying so. In the title. On the front page of the beta forums.

Can't miss it.

Oh, Lardee told ME that

33 minutes ago, Lardee said:

If you're doing speedruns, then you're not a casual player

but didnt explain his version of "casual players".

is it a "weak and transparent argumentative tactic"?

check this thread carefully, dont miss it.

[Lardee]

5 minutes ago, DST enjoyer said:

Okay my bad, I am mistaken to think we'd discussed this somewhere else.

 

Player tag could be useful for:

• Beginners as last resort against giant obstacles (Spectral Cure-All: Beginners I've seen they are always having difficulties with maintaining health // Ghastly Experience: They don't know Forget-Me-Lots) 
• Casuals as play as they go along (Assuming they choose Wendy and Abi because of cute, they just suffer if Abi is dying)
• Experienced players as more methods to use (Problem-solving like brainstorming activity for people outside forum)
• Team players as general efficiency (Lune Tree Blossoms inside Sisturn can greatly reduce the grinding and bring consistency in server with bad latency or call it delay when playing)

Stacking Spectral Cure All & Ghastly Experience alone takes the enjoyment and then use them in a fight would be inefficient because then you'd be busy re-summoning Abi & healing Abi instead of hitting the giant so longer suffering for what?

Player tag only affects boss damage. Beginners wouldn't be affected.

The question wasn't which is less efficient. 99% damage reduction would be more efficient than the player tag. The question was whether it was needed. It's clearly not, you're able to accomplish all the same things with the potions.

[Dingle]

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

Oh, Lardee told ME that

but didnt explain his version of "casual players".

is it a "weak and transparent argumentative tactic"?

check this thread carefully, dont miss it.

Steorra used it 7 hours ago. Lardee used it 40 minutes ago.

Also he offered to define it, in his words. He's not refusing to.