Abigail player tag needs to stay (for all the people who think its too op)

[Xplan]

Just now, IAmAFurrz said:

yea but im saying that design decision will make wendy uninteresting

it is not the design that makes it uninteresting. it's your option.

you pick the skill and complaining it making your game boring?

[Lardee]

4 minutes ago, Xplan said:

yeah it's easy for Wendy to tank bosses, but not for pre-skill Abi.

to be precise, it's easy for almost every character to tank. tanking is always a solution. If you are not good at boss combat, you can always prepare plenty enough resources to overcome.

The OP brought up deerclops. That's the boss we're talking about. He said he can't beat Deerclops with Abigail.

4 minutes ago, Xplan said:

the player tag is also optional.

Fighting Fuelweaver with a fishing rod is also optional.

[IAmAFurrz]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

All players are equal and their words have equal status. Not only do you exclude them, you label them. I don't think this is wise, my friend.

yea, how about someone with 1 hour in the game just have opinions on how dogs are too dangerous and remove them entirely?

new players should have a voice, but taking all what they say as equal to what veterans know? thats not good.

[cyjs]

Just now, IAmAFurrz said:

i really think this is a bad way of thinking, as people who dont know what they're talking about, will make opinions based on their lack of knowledge.

Veterans are the minority, novices and semi-veterans are the majority of this game, and they won’t come to this inexplicable place to listen to our farts.

[Xplan]

Just now, IAmAFurrz said:

i really think this is a bad way of thinking, as people who dont know what they're talking about, will make opinions based on their lack of knowledge.

lack of knowledge?

that is arrogant and biased

a bad way of thinking?

who decide this

[IAmAFurrz]

3 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

meanwhile woodies rework that took away all his weaknesses and just made him fun to play

no it didnt. weremoose still gets incredibly swarmed, werebeaver still is not as efficient as woodie (due to not being able to equip lazy forager), and if he pursues CC then he gets the afffinity skill to not transform nightly. his bad design bits were removed because, they are badly designed.

 

[cyjs]

1 minute ago, IAmAFurrz said:

yea, how about someone with 1 hour in the game just have opinions on how dogs are too dangerous and remove them entirely?

Don't twist the topic, it won't make you smarter

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

yea, how about someone with 1 hour in the game just have opinions on how dogs are too dangerous and remove them entirely?

new players should have a voice, but taking all what they say as equal to what veterans know? thats not good.

You are right in this point. But similarly taking all or even taking more what veteran say is not good as well.

Since we all know that there would be a potential intention of technological monopoly when elitism happened.

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

He said he can't beat Deerclops with Abigail.

can you?

make Abi survive and do it faster than tanking.

[Soul7k]

Just now, IAmAFurrz said:

no it didnt. weremoose still gets incredibly swarmed, werebeaver still is not as efficient as woodie (due to not being able to equip lazy forager), and if he pursues CC then he gets the afffinity skill to not transform nightly. his bad design bits were removed because, they are badly designed.

 

he no longer has hunger issues tied to his were form, has to deal with shadow monsters, or does it during full moons. factually wrong, but ok

[IAmAFurrz]

1 minute ago, cyjs said:

Veterans are the minority, novices and semi-veterans are the majority of this game, and they won’t come to this inexplicable place to listen to our farts.

yea i know, im in the middle of being a veteran and a new player. i advocate for sides when they make good arguments. right now, you add nothing to arguments, only focusing on criticising 'my farts' by judging how i judge arguments

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

You are right in this point. But similarly taking all or even taking more what veteran say is not good as well.

yea, im not saying that abi SHOULDNT get a decrease in dmg taken

the thing i am saying is that the direction of player tag/abi stat changes making her hard to kill rather than more maneuverable is bad

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, WeWoWa said:

"Wendy getting the player tag does not impact relaxing gameplay at all." Yes, it does because it means you have easier fights with bosses.

"Bosses aren't day to day combat." That’s true, they aren’t, but they are an important part of dst. The original game, don't starve, didn’t have many bosses only Deerclops, who was weaker than the one in DST.

"If you want a relaxing experience, you're not fighting bosses. If you're a new player, you're not fighting bosses." You don’t always have a choice. Deerclops will come to you no matter what. And if you’re playing with friends, they might make you fight bosses, but then you’ll just end up dying because you’re too weak, and that can be really frustrating.

Deerclops is the one boss that comes aggro'd onto you. Wendy requires zero skill to beat Deerclops and you could always just run away.  Fighting bosses whether solo or with friends is not relaxing gameplay. Bosses are supposed to be challenging, not relaxing.

1 minute ago, WeWoWa said:

"So you want a relaxing experience, but you also want to be able to crush bosses with minimal prep." For pro players, this might be minimal prep, but for beginners and noobs, it takes much more time and effort.

"Abigail getting the player tag has no impact on Wendy's ability to simply survive." That’s true in the early game, but in the late game, it definitely does.

The only prep for Abigail is Spectral Cure All. If you don't know how to craft that potion, then you shouldn't be fighting bosses as any character.

Mere survival in the late game has nothing to do with killing bosses.  Survival =/= going out of your way to kill bosses.

[IAmAFurrz]

2 minutes ago, Soul7k said:

he no longer has hunger issues tied to his were form, has to deal with shadow monsters, or does it during full moons. factually wrong, but ok

he returns from wereforms with low hunger, its not removal of weakness. that skill isnt my go to skill, it just slightly helps.

he still has to deal with shadows, the affinity makes it so he doesnt get attacked in his wereform only

and also, this is getting off topic, as well as just trying to nitpick me

[Lardee]

4 minutes ago, Xplan said:

can you?

make Abi survive and do it faster than tanking.

I never made the claim that I could beat Deerclops faster without tanking...

[IAmAFurrz]

5 minutes ago, cyjs said:

Don't twist the topic, it won't make you smarter

i never twisted it, YOU brought it up going against me.

show me one bit of you adding to this topic?

Just now, Lardee said:

I never made the claim that I could beat Deerclops faster without tanking...

lardee, dont argue. these people are just bringing you down to their level of thinking, you cant tell people that refuse to learn, to learn.

[Soul7k]

5 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

he returns from wereforms with low hunger, its not removal of weakness. that skill isnt my go to skill, it just slightly helps.

he still has to deal with shadows, the affinity makes it so he doesnt get attacked in his wereform only

and also, this is getting off topic, as well as just trying to nitpick me

I might be, but you are nitpicking Wendy, and her weaknesses so... yea thats kinda how discussion works. Drawing parallels is not offtopic. I digress

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

I never made the claim that I could beat Deerclops faster without tanking...

of course i know you cant

i mean to point out that you spend much time to kite, but it is not that effective.

pre-skill Abi cant tank almost any of the bosses, now it is offerred a chance to do so.

[cyjs]

3 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

lardee, dont argue. these people are just bringing you down to their level of thinking, you cant tell people that refuse to learn, to learn.

Oh my God, if you don’t accept it, you will misinterpret it. If you don’t understand it, you will belittle it. Your way of thinking is admirable.

[WeWoWa]

10 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

yea, how about someone with 1 hour in the game just have opinions on how dogs are too dangerous and remove them entirely?

new players should have a voice, but taking all what they say as equal to what veterans know? thats not good.

Yea, how about someone with 1000 hour in the game just have opinions on how dogs are too weak and buff them drastically?

i can agree with that we shouldn't have equal voice but only with advanced things. we are  talking about one character with optional skill, not mechanics who change game for everyone

[Xplan]

Just now, cyjs said:

Oh my God, if you don’t accept it, you will misinterpret it. If you don’t understand it, you will belittle it. Your way of thinking is admirable.

dear IAmAFurrz should really teach us how to think like a true giga, i just wonder how old is he.

[Lardee]

2 minutes ago, Xplan said:

of course i know you cant

i mean to point out that you spend much time to kite, but it is not that effective.

pre-skill Abi cant tank almost any of the bosses, now it is offerred a chance to do so.

The question was specifically about Deerclops. Due to Deerclops's low HP, Abigail can tank it which lets me fight it that way. That does not mean Abigail can or should be able to tank any other boss. 

[WeWoWa]

10 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

i never twisted it, YOU brought it up going against me.

show me one bit of you adding to this topic?

lardee, dont argue. these people are just bringing you down to their level of thinking, you cant tell people that refuse to learn, to learn.

"lardee, dont argue. these people are just bringing you down to their level of thinking, you cant tell people that refuse to learn, to learn." Then maybe use some arguments? Because all you’ve been saying is that we don’t have the right to talk about our favorite character. Most Wendy mains are noobs, so why not let this character be designed for them?

[Xplan]

2 minutes ago, Lardee said:

The question was specifically about Deerclops. Due to Deerclops's low HP, Abigail can tank it which lets me fight it that way. That does not mean Abigail can or should be able to tank any other boss. 

can you kite deerclops while fighting with Abi.

as far as i know, if Wendy dodge, Abi will get hit.

no beefalo of course

[WeWoWa]

18 minutes ago, Lardee said:

Deerclops is the one boss that comes aggro'd onto you. Wendy requires zero skill to beat Deerclops and you could always just run away.  Fighting bosses whether solo or with friends is not relaxing gameplay. Bosses are supposed to be challenging, not relaxing.

The only prep for Abigail is Spectral Cure All. If you don't know how to craft that potion, then you shouldn't be fighting bosses as any character.

Mere survival in the late game has nothing to do with killing bosses.  Survival =/= going out of your way to kill bosses.

"If you don't know how to craft that potion" I'm not saying that noobs don't know how to craft that potion. I'm saying that noobs need more time to craft them
"Wendy requires zero skill to beat Deerclops" Without player tag it's not true beacuse you cannot fight with abi

[Xplan]

Just now, WeWoWa said:

"lardee, dont argue. these people are just bringing you down to their level of thinking, you cant tell people that refuse to learn, to learn." Then maybe use some arguments? Because all you’ve been saying is that we don’t have the right to talk about our favorite character. Most Wendy mains are noobs, so why not let this character be designed for them?

Most Wendy mains are not noobs.

they just clearly know what Wendy is lack of.

They could still overcome these problems by practicing and learning.

the real problem is some of them is worrying about Wendy's future

some of them is myopia and already satisfied while there is being more and more knockbacks and aoe