Blessed Sisturn III is Way too Strong

[WenericMember]

1 minute ago, Lardee said:

What you lack in skill can be made up by Spectral Cure All and Ghastly Experience. That's the lower skilled solution. 

You already have ways for Abigail to survive longer in fights and Klei even handed out a potion that removes the penalty for letting her die. Removing Wendy's weakness solves nothing, it just removes her uniqueness as a character by making her a Wilson clone.

Do you want me to show you how to beat Third Stage Celestial Champion with Abigail? Because I can...

I'm on your side and I'd like to see that

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

What you lack in skill can be made up by Spectral Cure All and Ghastly Experience. That's the lower skilled solution. 

You already have ways for Abigail to survive longer in fights and Klei even handed out a potion that removes the penalty for letting her die. Removing Wendy's weakness solves nothing, it just removes her uniqueness as a character by making her a Wilson clone.

Do you want me to show you how to beat Third Stage Celestial Champion with Abigail? Because I can...

The best solution is: nerf shadow abi's health (maybe 200, 150) and buff its damage.

making shadow abi more glass cannon.

[Lardee]

5 minutes ago, Xplan said:

The best solution is: nerf shadow abi's health (maybe 200, 150) and buff its damage.

making shadow abi more glass cannon.

Best solution is: use spectral cure all, use Team Spirit, learn how to beat bosses.

Worst solution: remove Wendy's weakness because I'm too lazy to use any of the existing solutions.

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

Best solution is: use spectral cure all, use Team Spirit, learn how to beat bosses.

Worst solution: remove Wendy's weakness because I'm too lazy to use any of the existing solutions.

why don't we boost Abi's dmg any further?

Since Wendy has so much to learn to deal with bossed, she must do a lot more dmg than Wolfgang.

maybe decrease Abi's health to 150, not influenced by player tag

[Lardee]

Just now, Xplan said:

why don't we boost Abi's dmg any further?

Since Wendy has so much to learn to deal with bossed, she must do a lot more dmg than Wolfgang.

maybe decrease Abi's health to 150, not influenced by player tag

What's wrong with making the player tag exclusive to gestalt Abigail?

That way you can fight all the bosses you want and not have Aby die. What's the issu?

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

What's wrong with making the player tag exclusive to gestalt Abigail?

That way you can fight all the bosses you want and not have Aby die. What's the issu?

nerf Shadow abi's survival ability (to 100 or 250 hp)and increase its dmg.

[Lardee]

Just now, Xplan said:

nerf Shadow abi's survival ability (to 100 or 250 hp)and increase its dmg.

Can't answer the question huh?

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

Can't answer the question huh?

i was not quite following

"huh" what?

[Lardee]

1 minute ago, Xplan said:

i was not quite following

"huh" what?

What's wrong with making the player tag exclusive to gestalt Abigail?

That way you can fight all the bosses you want and not have Aby die. What's the issu?

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

What's wrong with making the player tag exclusive to gestalt Abigail?

That way you can fight all the bosses you want and not have Aby die. What's the issu?

i agreed

i mean continue to nerf shadow's survival ability.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

4分钟前，Lardee说：

让玩家标签只提供格式塔Abigail有什么问题？

这样，你可以与所有你想要的老板战斗，而不会让Aby死。有什么大不了？

I have a question. Can't I use Shadow Abi to fight the boss with me? There is no need to let the label exist in the form of Moon Abi.

[Lardee]

Just now, Xplan said:

i agreed

i mean continue to nerf shadow's survival ability.

So wait, you want Shadow Abigail to have 200 HP without the player tag?

As in one hit and she's dead?

1 minute ago, zzzzzzzzzzz said:

I have a question. Can't I use Shadow Abi to fight the boss with me? There is no need to let the label exist in the form of Moon Abi.

You already can use Shadow Abi to fight bosses with you without the player tag.

[thesooz9000]

1 minute ago, Lardee said:

So wait, you want Shadow Abigail to have 200 HP without the player tag?

As in one hit and she's dead?

You already can use Shadow Abi to fight bosses with you without the player tag.

I think they meant that they want abigail's hp to be nerfed by 200 or 150 if she became shadow abigail, whilst buffing her damage more aswell.

[Mysterious box]

7 minutes ago, Lardee said:

What's wrong with making the player tag exclusive to gestalt Abigail?

That way you can fight all the bosses you want and not have Aby die. What's the issu?

Yeah I feel like this was what should have happened as well it's weird that normal and shadow Abigail have become the tank forms when that was supposed to be gestalt Abigail's whole purpose.

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

So wait, you want Shadow Abigail to have 200 HP without the player tag?

As in one hit and she's dead?

exaclty, and boost her dmg over Woldgang because she is a real glass cannon now.

[Lardee]

Just now, thesooz9000 said:

I think they meant that they want abigail's hp to be nerfed by 200 or 150 if she became shadow abigail, whilst buffing her damage more aswell.

If that's the case then no one will pick Shadow Abigail. 

[thesooz9000]

I think shadow abigail as is (without the blessed sisturn III) is great, really strong, but I can live with it, however, with blessed sisturn III she becomes an unkillable murder machine, that has to change.

[Lardee]

Just now, Xplan said:

exaclty, and boost her dmg over Woldgang because she is a real glass cannon now.

She's already a glass canon. Letting her survive 0 attacks is ridiculous. No one would play her.

If you think 200 HP is a fair tradeoff for slightly more damage, then show us a video of you beating bosses without Abigail getting hit.

 

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

If that's the case then no one will pick Shadow Abigail. 

Why not?

i would like to enjoy Shadow abi even i have been asking for buffing Abi's survival ability for days because it's worthy and interesting.

[Lardee]

38 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

I'm on your side and I'd like to see that

It's by no means clean, but this is the strategy I came up with just now:

 

[WenericMember]

4 minutes ago, Lardee said:

It's by no means clean, but this is the strategy I came up with just now:

 

With no vexing potion or shadow abigail is amazing. I assume vigour mortis is the potion you had equipped? This makes me wish team spirit was easier to use so badly, im not used to the scroll wheel enough to quickly select commands.

[Xplan]

6 minutes ago, Lardee said:

She's already a glass canon. Letting her survive 0 attacks is ridiculous. No one would play her.

If you think 200 HP is a fair tradeoff for slightly more damage, then show us a video of you beating bosses without Abigail getting hit.

 

Maybe 250 HP.

But most of the bosses dph is less than 200.

[Lardee]

5 minutes ago, Xplan said:

Maybe 250 HP.

But most of the bosses dph is less than 200.

250 HP still gets her one-shot by bosses such as leveled up Toadstool andTwins of Terror.

Also, if you're going to reduce her defense by more than half you're going to have to increase her offense by more than double. That means Abigail's regular 1.54x damage modifier should be over 3.1, and Abigail should be doing 45 damage during the day, 75 at dusk and 120 at night.

I'm fine with that honestly, even though in reality no one's ever going to use it against bosses because it's still too risky.

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10 minutes ago, Lardee said:

If you think 200 HP is a fair tradeoff for slightly more damage, then show us a video of you beating bosses without Abigail getting hit.

How about not only slightly more damage,continuously increase her damage until it is fair?

To be honest, this is more attractive than an Abigail with average survival ability and no top-notch attack ability like before. If some players have the ability to protect their sister well, it is obviously more difficult than the potato man's exercise, and they should get higher benefits

[Xplan]

Just now, Lardee said:

250 HP still gets her one-shot by bosses such as leveled up Toadstool andTwins of Terror.

Also, if you're going to reduce her defense by more than half you're going to have to increase her pffense by more than double. That means Abigail's regular 1.54x damage modifier should be over 3.1, and Abigail should be doing 45 damage during the day, 75 at dusk and 120 at night.

I'm fine with that honestly. 

Too be fair, if this is how Shadow Abi finally work.

I really wish to play it instead of Gestalt Abi.

Its dmg worth the price of learning how to handle different bosses.