Blessed Sisturn III is Way too Strong

[SilverSpoon]

33 minutes ago, Dingle said:

We (friends and I) tried this in a real game once. It works, but its really expensive to farm the resources for it. So we only did it a couple times, then stopped using the strategy.

The comparison only works if it's just as hard to farm spectral cure alls as Wendy. I intend to test and compare in a real playthrough. I do doubt it though, it seems to me that Wendy would farm that vastly easier than Woodie can farm treeguard idols.

I and the Forty Thieves don't think so. All you need for this strategy is Nightmare Fuel, which you get in abundance from Nightmare Creatures and Ickers. As for Living Logs, more you do it the more Living Logs you'll get. And also, Treeguard idle can not only tank, but also kill with "No effort". This is a critical advantage, right?

Whether you collect Spectral Cure All or Treeguard idle, and there are differences in actual operation, Both those have major common point.
- Can tank the boss with "No effort"
- Consume a lot of resources
Treeguard idle has existed as part of the balance for over a year and a half. Please don't assume that it's "This is OK, This is OP" based on only your standards. Please Please be open to our standards.

[YuRinshue]

9 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Technically true, but you must know that some characters have their skill tree "solved". A general "best skill tree" that most people get, with only small changes, if any.

When I saw your willow skill tree, for example, it was pretty much the same as my skill tree when I play her. And this was not a surprise to me.

Hoping Wendy can avoid the same, it's boring.

Indeed, so I only gave a positive evaluation of Vila's skill tree in terms of its functionality, rather than choosing possibilities. She often only needs to consider switching between Shadow or Moon Fire Magic, which can only be said to be decent, only slightly better than a completely fixed strategy.

But I still hope Wendy has other options that prevent people from choosing player tags, rather than simply deleting them.

[Dingle]

3 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

Indeed, so I only gave a positive evaluation of Vila's skill tree in terms of its functionality, rather than choosing possibilities. She often only needs to consider switching between Shadow or Moon Fire Magic, which can only be said to be decent, only slightly better than a completely fixed strategy.

But I still hope Wendy has other options that prevent people from choosing player tags, rather than simply deleting them.

An idea I've been thinking about, but don't want to make a topic about until I get a week of real playthrough testing as Wendy:

What if the Sisturn branch was expanded to 5 or 6 points, and was redesigned as the "I don't want to use elixirs much" choice?

Quick ideas: 

1. Sisturn 3 maybe moved up to 4 or 5. In addition to player tag, it makes healing elixirs half as effective when active (this idea already seem to have a lot of support)

2. Unlock more different flower types, with all new effects. (Some vague ideas below)

3. Cheaper perk/flower that makes Abby faster as long as it's active, and maybe cuts the effect of vigor mortis in half.

4. Dark petals = half effect nightshade nostrum?

5. Something for putting mourning glories directly in the sisturn?

6. Ultimate perk (sisturn 6 or whatever): You can now put multiple different flower types in the sisturn for multiple effects! But doing so makes all elixirs not work on Abby when active. This would also let you do stuff like 3 regular flowers, 1 lune blossom to get the player tag effect cheap, but at the cost of no elixirs. No big deal if you absolutely hate elixirs and don't use them, but a big tradeoff otherwise.

[YuRinshue]

2 minutes ago, Dingle said:

An idea I've been thinking about, but don't want to make a topic about until I get a week of real playthrough testing as Wendy:

What if the Sisturn branch was expanded to 5 or 6 points, and was redesigned as the "I don't want to use elixirs much" choice?

Quick ideas: 

1. Sisturn 3 maybe moved up to 4 or 5. In addition to player tag, it makes healing elixirs half as effective when active (this idea already seem to have a lot of support)

2. Unlock more different flower types, with all new effects. (Some vague ideas below)

3. Cheaper perk/flower that makes Abby faster as long as it's active, and maybe cuts the effect of vigor mortis in half.

4. Dark petals = half effect nightshade nostrum?

5. Something for putting mourning glories directly in the sisturn?

6. Ultimate perk (sisturn 6 or whatever): You can now put multiple different flower types in the sisturn for multiple effects! But doing so makes all elixirs not work on Abby when active. This would also let you do stuff like 3 regular flowers, 1 lune blossom to get the player tag effect cheap, but at the cost of no elixirs. No big deal if you absolutely hate elixirs and don't use them, but a big tradeoff otherwise.

emmmm， Many descriptions are vague, to the point where I can't understand the rationale behind these contents, but in general, they make sense. I would like to recommend my own post here, which may contain some inspirational content for you.

 

[Jakepeng99]

16 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

To all big fan of "Blessed Sisturn III is OP" videos: The GigaChad Canadian Lumberjack's "Treeguard Feller II" can not just tank but also kill with "no effort". Just to be on the safe side, I also recorded proof video, but please don't be so dogged as to make me edit it.

 

You forgot this at least has a resource cost.

[Dingle]

13 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

emmmm， Many descriptions are vague, to the point where I can't understand the rationale behind these contents, but in general, they make sense. I would like to recommend my own post here, which may contain some inspirational content for you.

 

I'll ping you when I make my post next week, so you can easily add ideas to it.

An aside: Do you not like the gravestone relocation perk? It sounds wonderful. I always loved the old "developer graveyard" trick you could use to automatically farm werepigs. Sounds like you could take that strategy and make it even better, now.

[Xplan]

3 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

You forgot this at least has a resource cost.

Nah, it's cheap for him

[YuRinshue]

36 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I'll ping you when I make my post next week, so you can easily add ideas to it.

An aside: Do you not like the gravestone relocation perk? It sounds wonderful. I always loved the old "developer graveyard" trick you could use to automatically farm werepigs. Sounds like you could take that strategy and make it even better, now.

Thank you for your efforts, this is good. in addition，I have made a special post with my views on tombstones, hoping that you can learn more through this.

[Dingle]

14 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

Thank you for your efforts, this is good. in addition，I have made a special post with my views on tombstones, hoping that you can learn more through this.

I think there was a misunderstanding. I meant stuff like in this video:

 

 

[YuRinshue]

42 minutes ago, Dingle said:

I think there was a misunderstanding. I meant stuff like in this video:

 

 

I'm sorry, I can't watch this video here. Can you tell me its content.

[Dingle]

2 hours ago, SilverSpoon said:

I and the Forty Thieves don't think so. All you need for this strategy is Nightmare Fuel, which you get in abundance from Nightmare Creatures and Ickers. As for Living Logs, more you do it the more Living Logs you'll get. And also, Treeguard idle can not only tank, but also kill with "No effort". This is a critical advantage, right?

Whether you collect Spectral Cure All or Treeguard idle, and there are differences in actual operation, Both those have major common point.
- Can tank the boss with "No effort"
- Consume a lot of resources
Treeguard idle has existed as part of the balance for over a year and a half. Please don't assume that it's "This is OK, This is OP" based on only your standards. Please Please be open to our standards.

This wasn't our experience, but I understand standards/"the meta" can differ.

Nightmare fuel does become "free" with Ickers. We didnt have that at the time, though, it was before that update. So that is interesting, though it is also post-rift. At that point you may have killed nearly all the bosses this would work on (it doesnt work on all bosses).

24 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

I'm sorry, I can't watch this video here. Can you tell me its content.

Oh, summary:

If you build a pig village in a graveyard with a lot of tombstones, the ghosts that come out on full moons will kill all the werepigs for you. Automatic.

Now Wendy could move gravestones, so she could set this up to kill lots of different things. Or just kill werepigs even better, because she can cram the tombstones very close together. Would work every night with moonstorms on.

I'm interested to see what people come up with, and if there's value for using it on some bosses.

[YuRinshue]

44 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Oh, summary:

If you build a pig village in a graveyard with a lot of tombstones, the ghosts that come out on full moons will kill all the werepigs for you. Automatic.

Now Wendy could move gravestones, so she could set this up to kill lots of different things. Or just kill werepigs even better, because she can cram the tombstones very close together. Would work every night with moonstorms on.

I'm interested to see what people come up with, and if there's value for using it on some bosses.

Oh thank you, I know about this feature, but my interest and demand for it are very low. You know, Anenemy can also do this, and the application is very mature. Of course, tombstones are also functions that can be developed.

[Dingle]

33 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

Oh thank you, I know about this feature, but my interest and demand for it are very low. You know, Anenemy can also do this, and the application is very mature. Of course, tombstones are also functions that can be developed.

Got videos of anenemy farms that can kill this many werepigs? I thought anenemies were limited for this purpose. So I use anenemies in the ruins and for goat farms.

[YuRinshue]

16 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Got videos of anenemy farms that can kill this many werepigs? I thought anenemies were limited for this purpose. So I use anenemies in the ruins and for goat farms.

I don't know if this can help you, but this video creator has a lot of good video content and may be able to find what you need.

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[Dingle]

41 minutes ago, YuRinshue said:

I don't know if this can help you, but this video creator has a lot of good video content and may be able to find what you need.

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Oh, I've seen this guy before on youtube! He doesn't post much there though, and I have a lot of problems viewing bilibili.

I could see some of the video though. The anenemy stuff is a bit too glitchy and finicky for me to use.

One thing I saw in the video I didnt know:

If you haunt a Pig Guard fire totem, it spawns a new pig guard. That is pretty interesting. You can also haunt them to turn them into werepigs, if I remember right, just like you can with normal pig men.

[seven-rain]

这不是解决问题，这是回到问题的上一个阶段！对解决问题没有任何帮助。当我使用阿比盖尔被熊三次拍地板拍死时，我们觉得这是个问题，但有以前有解决过吗？现在难得有一个处理角色痛点的机会，却有人说这种痛苦是我应得的，学会忍受痛苦才是你要做的事情。这纯粹是不以他人角度思考问题。

This is not solving the problem, this is going back to the previous stage of the problem! It does nothing to solve the problem. When I used Abigail and the Bear slapped the floor three times kill her easyly, we thought it was a problem, but has it ever been solved before? Now it is rare to have a chance to deal with the pain points of the character, but some people say that the pain is deserved, learn to endure the pain is what you do. This is simply not thinking from someone else's point of view.

我也希望能够解决问题，但我反对将事情的发展方向引导回已经被证明错误的路，我认为版主所提出的观点无非是可以一直使用阿比盖尔来应对BOSS，这会使战斗变得无聊乏味失去挑战性，但从削弱防御方向来思考只会让事情陷入另一个极端，对此我也有自己的看法。

I'd love to solve the problem, but I'm against trying to steer things back to the way they've been proven wrong. I think what the moderators are saying is that you can always use Abigail against the BOSS, which makes the battle boring and unchallenging, but thinking in terms of weakening defenses just throws things into the other extreme, which I have a point of view on.

我认为正确的思路是，让阿比盖尔单独面对BOSS时，造成的伤害极大幅度降低，使玩家用这种方式战胜BOSS所付出的时间成本高得无法接受，这样才能鼓励玩家与阿比盖尔并肩作战，单纯削弱阿比盖尔的生存能力只会让玩家玩的难受，对事情起不了任何正面效果。

I think the right idea is to let Abigail face the BOSS alone, the damage is greatly reduced, so that the player to defeat the BOSS in this way to pay the time cost is unacceptably high, so as to encourage players to fight alongside Abigail, simply weakening Abigail's survival ability will only hurt the player's experience, will not have any positive effect on things

[Lardee]

4 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

这不是解决问题，这是回到问题的上一个阶段！对解决问题没有任何帮助。当我使用阿比盖尔被熊三次拍地板拍死时，我们觉得这是个问题，但有以前有解决过吗？现在难得有一个处理角色痛点的机会，却有人说这种痛苦是我应得的，学会忍受痛苦才是你要做的事情。这纯粹是不以他人角度思考问题。

This is not solving the problem, this is going back to the previous stage of the problem! It does nothing to solve the problem. When I used Abigail and the Bear slapped the floor three times kill her easyly, we thought it was a problem, but has it ever been solved before? Now it is rare to have a chance to deal with the pain points of the character, but some people say that the pain is deserved, learn to endure the pain is what you do. This is simply not thinking from someone else's point of view.

Bearger is one boss and Abigail's control skills let you completely dodge the slams. 

4 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

我也希望能够解决问题，但我反对将事情的发展方向引导回已经被证明错误的路，我认为版主所提出的观点无非是可以一直使用阿比盖尔来应对BOSS，这会使战斗变得无聊乏味失去挑战性，但从削弱防御方向来思考只会让事情陷入另一个极端，对此我也有自己的看法。

I'd love to solve the problem, but I'm against trying to steer things back to the way they've been proven wrong. I think what the moderators are saying is that you can always use Abigail against the BOSS, which makes the battle boring and unchallenging, but thinking in terms of weakening defenses just throws things into the other extreme, which I have a point of view on.

They were never proven wrong. Wendy had solutions to deal with almost every boss in the game before her skill tree. 

4 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

我认为正确的思路是，让阿比盖尔单独面对BOSS时，造成的伤害极大幅度降低，使玩家用这种方式战胜BOSS所付出的时间成本高得无法接受，这样才能鼓励玩家与阿比盖尔并肩作战，单纯削弱阿比盖尔的生存能力只会让玩家玩的难受，对事情起不了任何正面效果。

I think the right idea is to let Abigail face the BOSS alone, the damage is greatly reduced, so that the player to defeat the BOSS in this way to pay the time cost is unacceptably high, so as to encourage players to fight alongside Abigail, simply weakening Abigail's survival ability will only hurt the player's experience, will not have any positive effect on things

No, the right idea is to only eliminate major character weaknesses when absolutely necessary, not eliminate them because using spectral cure all or fighting bosses in a different way inconveniences you.

 

At this point, I think it should be a requirement for people who complain about Abigail being unusable against bosses to provide a list of those bosses.

[seven-rain]

9分钟前，Lardee 说：

Bearger是一个老板，而Abigail的控制技能可以让你完全躲避猛击。 

他们从来没有被证明是错误的。温迪在技能树出现之前就找到了对抗游戏中几乎所有Boss的方法。 

不，正确的想法只是在绝对必要时消除主要角色缺陷，而不是因为使用幽灵治愈所有问题或以不同的方式与老板战斗会给你带来不便而消除它们。

 

在这一点上，我认为应该要求那些抱怨阿比盖尔无法东亚老板的人提供这些老板的名单。

控制阿比确实可以提供很大的帮助，但减伤可以提供一些容错误的能力，对游戏天赋不好的玩家来说比较友善

温蒂确实可以对付所有的BOSS，但并不意味着我能享受每次BOSS战，尤其是我不得不起姐姐来对付某些BOSS的时候，我总觉得十分憋屈，现在有机会改善这一点，何乐而不为呢？

对于我来说，阿比盖尔的脆弱就是必须解决的问题，目前的玩家标签对于我来说就是不错的方法，这也是我认为版主要求削弱这一部分是没有站在普通玩家角度考虑的原因。

Controlling Arby can be a great help, but damage reduction can provide some error tolerance, which is friendly to players with poor game talent

 

It's true that Wendy can handle all the bosses, but that doesn't mean I enjoy every BOSS fight, especially when I have to deal with some bosses at the expense of my sister. I always feel frustrated. Now I have the opportunity to improve on that, why not?

 

For me, Abigail's vulnerability is something that has to be addressed, and the current ggamer tag is a good solution for me, which is why I think the moderators' request to weaken this part is not in the perspective of the average player.

[Lardee]

20 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

控制阿比确实可以提供很大的帮助，但减伤可以提供一些容错误的能力，对游戏天赋不好的玩家来说比较友善

温蒂确实可以对付所有的BOSS，但并不意味着我能享受每次BOSS战，尤其是我不得不起姐姐来对付某些BOSS的时候，我总觉得十分憋屈，现在有机会改善这一点，何乐而不为呢？

对于我来说，阿比盖尔的脆弱就是必须解决的问题，目前的玩家标签对于我来说就是不错的方法，这也是我认为版主要求削弱这一部分是没有站在普通玩家角度考虑的原因。

Controlling Arby can be a great help, but damage reduction can provide some error tolerance, which is friendly to players with poor game talent

Spectral cure all already provides error tolerance and... the game should incentivize you to get better at the game.

 

20 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

It's true that Wendy can handle all the bosses, but that doesn't mean I enjoy every BOSS fight, especially when I have to deal with some bosses at the expense of my sister. I always feel frustrated. Now I have the opportunity to improve on that, why not?

 

Wendy can handle all bosses without losing Abigail. There are solutions to being frustrated: spectral cure all or Abigail controls or using better tactics or getting better at the game.

 

20 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

For me, Abigail's vulnerability is something that has to be addressed, and the current ggamer tag is a good solution for me, which is why I think the moderators' request to weaken this part is not in the perspective of the average player.

It's already been addressed. The solutions have been in the game and are only made easier. You have multiple options to keep Abigail alive. Eliminating a character's weakness because you're unwilling to learn how to play them or unwilling to use the solutions in front of you is ridiculous.

[RussoDaFederal]

On 12/13/2024 at 7:58 PM, Lardee said:

Giving Abigail the player tag cuts boss damage in half which means her health is basically doubled. However, it also effectively doubles the strength of Abigail's healing potions. This means Abigail's survivability isn't simply doubled, it ends up at least quadrupled if you decide to use things like Spectral Cure All.

The video below shows just how difficult Abigail becomes to kill when using Blessed Sisturn III. Please note that this is in a scenario where you're literally trying to tank bosses with Abigail.

If you're playing the game the regular way and not trying to solo a boss with just Abigail, she's almost unkillable if you use Spectral Cure All.

I think Klei needs to go back to the drawing board with this one. Skill trees should not simply cut character weaknesses by 75% unless absolutely necessary. It's not necessary for Wendy. Wendy could already beat almost every boss without using a single Spectral Cure All and Spectral Cure All already was the solution to making her more survivable if you didn't possess the skill or knowledge to avoid damage with her. These are now much easier to make and she has controls that help Abigail avoid damage.

Instead of removing weaknesses, skill trees should be increasing strengths at a cost, giving characters more tools to master, or giving them risk/reward options.

 

So Klei tried to fix gestalt Abi's busted durability by reducing boss damage by half. I gotta admit I never understood why Abi received double damage from bosses compared to players, but after watching this video, I do. This is absolutely busted and I'll be glad to see it removed on the next update.

I'm so tired of "Wendy mains this" and "Wendy mains that", I don't care about how attached you are to the character if you can't do the math and realize that this is indeed busted. A few minutes ago I saw a post complaining that "if you want Wendy to be nerfed you don't like her" and I can't believe the discussion has steeped to this point. I don't wanna be rude, but I could care less if people like Wendy or not. This is not the point. The point is that some numbers are not adding up. Abigail got near invincibility with this new update and this needs to go. If you want Abigail to be invincible, be my guest:

c_find("abigail").components.health:StartRegen(600, 1)

Just leave the rest of us out of it please. I want the game to be balanced, thank you very much.

[WenericMember]

33 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

So Klei tried to fix gestalt Abi's busted durability by reducing boss damage by half. I gotta admit I never understood why Abi received double damage from bosses compared to players, but after watching this video, I do. This is absolutely busted and I'll be glad to see it removed on the next update.

I'm so tired of "Wendy mains this" and "Wendy mains that", I don't care about how attached you are to the character if you can't do the math and realize that this is indeed busted. A few minutes ago I saw a post complaining that "if you want Wendy to be nerfed you don't like her" and I can't believe the discussion has steeped to this point. I don't wanna be rude, but I could care less if people like Wendy or not. This is not the point. The point is that some numbers are not adding up. Abigail got near invincibility with this new update and this needs to go. If you want Abigail to be invincible, be my guest:

c_find("abigail").components.health:StartRegen(600, 1)

Just leave the rest of us out of it please. I want the game to be balanced, thank you very much.

Similar thing here. When strong brew didnt interact with cure-all i thought "thats lame" but now... yeah its probably for the best.

[seven-rain]

2 hours ago, Lardee said:

光谱治疗已经提供了容错功能，并且……游戏应该激励你在游戏中表现得更好。

 

温迪可以应对所有 Boss，而不会失去阿比盖尔。解决沮丧的方法有：幽灵治愈一切或阿比盖尔控制或使用更好的战术或提高游戏水平。

 

这个问题已经解决了。解决方案已经在游戏中，而且只会变得更简单。你有多种选择来让阿比盖尔活下去。因为你不愿意学习如何玩他们或不愿意使用你面前的解决方案而消除角色的弱点是荒谬的。

如果你坚持这种说法，我希望你可以提供一下证明而不是仅仅停留在文字上，我想看到在当前正式版游戏的状态下，阿比盖尔存在并且不死亡的打败大熊，双子魔眼，天体英雄的视频，我真的很想见识一下，是什么技巧能够做到这一点

If you insist on this, I hope you can provide proof rather than just words, I would like to see the current state of the game, Abigail exists and does not die to defeat the Big Bear, Gemini Eyes, Celestial Champio video, I would really like to see, what is the technique to do this

[Dingle]

12 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

如果你坚持这种说法，我希望你可以提供一下证明而不是仅仅停留在文字上，我想看到在当前正式版游戏的状态下，阿比盖尔存在并且不死亡的打败大熊，双子魔眼，天体英雄的视频，我真的很想见识一下，是什么技巧能够做到这一点

If you insist on this, I hope you can provide proof rather than just words, I would like to see the current state of the game, Abigail exists and does not die to defeat the Big Bear, Gemini Eyes, Celestial Champio video, I would really like to see, what is the technique to do this

Bearger or Armored? I've seen videos recently for both.

Twins of Terror? Even before the beta people knew how to kill them with Abby. Same with Celestial Champion, though I forget what the phase 3 strategy is off top of head.

[seven-rain]

3 hours ago, Lardee said:

光谱治疗已经提供了容错功能，并且……游戏应该激励你在游戏中表现得更好。

 

温迪可以应对所有 Boss，而不会失去阿比盖尔。解决沮丧的方法有：幽灵治愈一切或阿比盖尔控制或使用更好的战术或提高游戏水平。

 

这个问题已经解决了。解决方案已经在游戏中，而且只会变得更简单。你有多种选择来让阿比盖尔活下去。因为你不愿意学习如何玩他们或不愿意使用你面前的解决方案而消除角色的弱点是荒谬的。

我看完了你的视频，那是非常精彩的战斗，尤其是使用速度药剂来对抗天体冠军二阶段的表现，我从未想过可以这么做。也许你的看法是正确的，对于你们这种高级玩家而言，新技能树的改动已经十分超模了，这让我有点沮丧，因为对于我来说玩家标签的存在只是只让阿比多挨了几下揍，对于我的另一位朋友来说也是如此，她在打蜂后时失去了三次阿比盖尔。

I finished your video and it was a great fight, especially using the speed potion against the Celestial Champion's second stage performance, which I never thought I could do. Maybe you're right, for advanced players like you, the changes to the new skill tree are already supermodel, which makes me a little frustrated, because for me, the existence of the ggamer tag only got Abidor a few punches, and for another friend of mine, who lost Abigail three times while hunting the queen bee.

所以我的诉求还是不会改变，我们希望阿比更具有生存能力，在战斗中坚持的更久。你能够用操作保护阿比是你了不起，但不是所有人都能做到这一点。我注意到即使游戏理解高如你，在与天体冠军的第三阶段战斗时也把阿比收了起来，是否意味着她无法在第三阶段的战斗中存活呢，我希望技能树的出现可以改变这一点，让阿比存在活着打完战斗的可能性。

So my appeal will not change, we want Abby to be more survivable, to last longer in the fight. It's great that you were able to protect Abby with your skill, but not everyone can do that. I've noticed that even if the game understands as well as you do, keeping Abby in the third stage battle against the Celestial Champion does that mean she won't survive the third stage battle? I hope the skill tree will change that and make it possible for Abby to survive the battle.

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8 minutes ago, seven-rain said:

我看完了你的视频，那是非常精彩的战斗，尤其是使用速度药剂来对抗天体冠军二阶段的表现，我从未想过可以这么做。也许你的看法是正确的，对于你们这种高级玩家而言，新技能树的改动已经十分超模了，这让我有点沮丧，因为对于我来说玩家标签的存在只是只让阿比多挨了几下揍，对于我的另一位朋友来说也是如此，她在打蜂后时失去了三次阿比盖尔。

I finished your video and it was a great fight, especially using the speed potion against the Celestial Champion's second stage performance, which I never thought I could do. Maybe you're right, for advanced players like you, the changes to the new skill tree are already supermodel, which makes me a little frustrated, because for me, the existence of the ggamer tag only got Abidor a few punches, and for another friend of mine, who lost Abigail three times while hunting the queen bee.

所以我的诉求还是不会改变，我们希望阿比更具有生存能力，在战斗中坚持的更久。你能够用操作保护阿比是你了不起，但不是所有人都能做到这一点。我注意到即使游戏理解高如你，在与天体冠军的第三阶段战斗时也把阿比收了起来，是否意味着她无法在第三阶段的战斗中存活呢，我希望技能树的出现可以改变这一点，让阿比存在活着打完战斗的可能性。

So my appeal will not change, we want Abby to be more survivable, to last longer in the fight. It's great that you were able to protect Abby with your skill, but not everyone can do that. I've noticed that even if the game understands as well as you do, keeping Abby in the third stage battle against the Celestial Champion does that mean she won't survive the third stage battle? I hope the skill tree will change that and make it possible for Abby to survive the battle.

What you lack in skill can be made up by Spectral Cure All and Ghastly Experience. That's the lower skilled solution. 

You already have ways for Abigail to survive longer in fights and Klei even handed out a potion that removes the penalty for letting her die. Removing Wendy's weakness solves nothing, it just removes her uniqueness as a character by making her a Wilson clone.

Do you want me to show you how to beat Third Stage Celestial Champion with Abigail? Because I can...