yinjiu019 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 When I first saw Gestalt Abigail in the second beta update, I really had a special feeling... At that time, her damage was still 150/250/400, she had an invincibility frame for dash attacks, and her AI was more flexible than the first beta update. She was really reliable and reassuring... After watching the third and fourth beta updates, I often felt powerless for Gestalt Abigail. She lost her AOE, which she relied on, and should have gained enough damage to make up for it, but she became weaker and weaker. Why is this happening...? The invincibility frame during the sprint, which is very important for Gestalt Abigail, has also been completely deleted. And a full pause of one second after attacking has been added. Compared to the ordinary Abigail, I think the characteristics of Gestalt Abigail are flexibility and more comfortable... During this week, I have been looking forward to the flexible and reliable Gestalt Abigail in the previous version all the time. Sometimes I would be dazed, and the scene of Gestalt Abigail with stiff movements being easily killed by Bearger, Deerclops and other creatures appeared in my mind. Even if I kept attacking beside them to attract their hatred... The previous Gestalt Abigail was like a real sister, who could accompany and rely on. But now...? Both me and everyone around me think that Gestalt Abigail's invincibility frame during the sprint attack and the flexible AI without a 1-second pause are extremely important, even life-saving... Gestalt Abigail with shackles... makes people anxious and powerless. I really hope that Gestalt Abigail can be recalled to the second beta update...! This is my most sincere wish... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 2 minutes ago, yinjiu019 said: When I first saw Gestalt Abigail in the second beta update, I really had a special feeling... At that time, her damage was still 150/250/400, she had an invincibility frame for dash attacks, and her AI was more flexible than the first beta update. She was really reliable and reassuring... After watching the third and fourth beta updates, I often felt powerless for Gestalt Abigail. She lost her AOE, which she relied on, and should have gained enough damage to make up for it, but she became weaker and weaker. Why is this happening...? The invincibility frame during the sprint, which is very important for Gestalt Abigail, has also been completely deleted. And a full pause of one second after attacking has been added. Compared to the ordinary Abigail, I think the characteristics of Gestalt Abigail are flexibility and more comfortable... During this week, I have been looking forward to the flexible and reliable Gestalt Abigail in the previous version all the time. Sometimes I would be dazed, and the scene of Gestalt Abigail with stiff movements being easily killed by Bearger, Deerclops and other creatures appeared in my mind. Even if I kept attacking beside them to attract their hatred... The previous Gestalt Abigail was like a real sister, who could accompany and rely on. But now...? Both me and everyone around me think that Gestalt Abigail's invincibility frame during the sprint attack and the flexible AI without a 1-second pause are extremely important, even life-saving... Gestalt Abigail with shackles... makes people anxious and powerless. I really hope that Gestalt Abigail can be recalled to the second beta update...! This is my most sincere wish... Some of us also hope that Abigail can benefit from more than one common herbal medicine...but I dare not ask for it in this article. If it is possible, then I believe everyone will be very satisfied... She could solo all bosses while Wendy watched. Not a good idea. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yinjiu019 Posted December 13, 2024 Author Share Posted December 13, 2024 14 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: She could solo all bosses while Wendy watched. Not a good idea. When we have Gestalt Abigail, we should have defeated most of the bosses. I've never tried to let Gestalt Abigail solo bosses But I know very well that even if I always attack with current Gestalt Abigail, she can't survive the battle without using Spectral Cure-All Frustrating... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YuRinshue Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 33 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: She could solo all bosses while Wendy watched. Not a good idea. Wendy's entire combat ability serves Abigail, while Gestalt's entire ability serves the boss. When Wendy's full resource scheduling is all for the purpose of the boss, I don't think she should be restricted on the grounds that 'she still shouldn't do it'. If you are worried that she is too powerful, you can increase the threshold for obtaining new forms, such as opening the Moon Rift to use, instead of simply making her no longer worthy to do so. To be honest, nowadays Fishman only needs less than ten people to complete all the work of Gestalt Abigail, but even though this is only a small part of Fishman's ability, many people still prefer to limit Gestalt Abigail's only work, which is unhappy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 They could flip the script on her. Instead of her giving willow a buff, maybe an attacking willow could strengthen her briefly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 I’m not gonna lie, I clicked onto this thread thinking it would be about getting back OLD Abigail (as in Solo DS where you wait 3-4 days for her to respawn after dying) I did not click on this thread thinking it would be about GESTALT Abigail but.. 8 hours ago, Reiko24 said: She could solo all bosses while Wendy watched. Not a good idea. Klei will find a good balance somewhere between “this is way too much” and “that’s incredibly underwhelming” But it should NEVER go back to the original version cause that’s been proven to be beyond broken. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 This sort of thread is hopeless since you're effectively trying to explain sense and videogame design to someone who's clearly more interested in spectating than playing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesooz9000 Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 I mean the videos showcasing people beating bosses by doing nothing but just standing in the same screen whilst gestalt abi does the job proved that they shouldn't bring it back lol. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeah_No Posted December 13, 2024 Share Posted December 13, 2024 I think the original Gestalt Abigail was too much - the damage was too much, and she could easily solo the bosses - and while I think 200 was too low, as it is now it's fine. I don't care if it's really deserved or not - though right now you can get her on day 11 with some luck or pretty easily on day 31 - as it's just not fun to have the game played for you. And making it lunar rift exclusive would just mean that you can't use it as much, which I think would be a bad idea, as there's plenty of bosses pre-rift where a single attacking abby would be nice (Such as klaus, where I found her to be quite useful without worrying about her killing the deers and enraging him) 8 hours ago, Hollow soul 3 said: They could flip the script on her. Instead of her giving willow a buff, maybe an attacking willow could strengthen her briefly I like this line of thought a lot, it'd add incentive for Wendy to attack with abby rather than just spectate while she beats the boss (which she can still do, maybe just with wendy using a healing elixir which isn't a lot of effort at all) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1007954611 Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 bump Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 3 hours ago, Yeah_No said: I like this line of thought a lot, it'd add incentive for Wendy to attack with abby rather than just spectate while she beats the boss (which she can still do, maybe just with wendy using a healing elixir which isn't a lot of effort at all) It would definitely be different, but I'm not really sure if that's what the Wendy mains would want. I just think the Gestalt Abigail is so different in the way she stays in the background, it's almost like they're switching places Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1775981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debruh Posted December 14, 2024 Share Posted December 14, 2024 17 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: I’m not gonna lie, I clicked onto this thread thinking it would be about getting back OLD Abigail (as in Solo DS where you wait 3-4 days for her to respawn after dying) I did not click on this thread thinking it would be about GESTALT Abigail but.. Fr, gestalt Abby is the furthest thing from getting called old Abby, but here we are. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/162355-can-the-old-abigail-come-back-to-us/#findComment-1776527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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