I hate doing pipspooks quest repeatedly.

[Tranoze]

Doing one or few times is fine, but doing repeatedly to gather core resources if you want to play as how dev intended doesn't feel right for me.

[Lee lol]

lol maybe make more new interesting potions or make the old potions More useful will let the collection not so painful 

[Tranoze]

9 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

lol maybe make more new interesting potions or make the old potions More useful will let the collection not so painful 

I hope there are like 20% chance of a ghostly boss spawn at the end of the quest that you can fight for the quest to be less boring.

[Lee lol]

12 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

I hope there are like 20% chance of a ghostly boss spawn at the end of the quest that you can fight for the quest to be less boring.

WOW. Such a good idea, but I don’t think it’s appropriate to design a boss for Wendy alone

[NINA1917]

Agreed, especially the pipspooks quest in the forest

[Steorra]

 rework and make pipspooks become more varieties and interesting please ...

And it should be changes of base kit but not relative with skill tree.

[SilverSpoon]

Now that it's been eased so that you can get a ton of Mourning Glory from a Pipspook quest with skill tree points, I personally think that this is enough. Well, I think it would be fine to allow other characters to participate in collecting Mourning Glory, and I wouldn't against other ideas...

The simple repetition work in DST is not only Pipspook quest, and a complete overhaul or elaborate new additions would be too much for Klei I think.

[Steorra]

12 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

and a complete overhaul or elaborate new additions would be too much for Klei I think

I guess many of us have same feeling like this. But it's becomes a bit desperate tbh.

How many of us already gave up to consider new creative ideas but just start to though like this? But we know that if Klei continue keep this quality of main update in future what would happen then.

 

[SilverSpoon]

6 minutes ago, Steorra said:

I guess many of us have same feeling like this. But it's becomes a bit desperate tbh.

How many of us already gave up to consider new creative ideas but just start to though like this? But we know that if Klei continue keep this quality of main update in future what would happen then.

I think your opinion is true, but considering that perhaps Klei is beginning to squash between this "Skill tree update" and next "The year of the Snake update"...

I think everyone should agree that "It's OK to not be implemented in this update."

[DaDa_waw]

30 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

Now that it's been eased so that you can get a ton of Mourning Glory from a Pipspook quest with skill tree points, I personally think that this is enough. Well, I think it would be fine to allow other characters to participate in collecting Mourning Glory, and I wouldn't against other ideas...

The simple repetition work in DST is not only Pipspook quest, and a complete overhaul or elaborate new additions would be too much for Klei I think.

It's more of a helplessness, just like how Vello has a range of ignitions to collect ether embers, and Votox has soul punctures and phantom explosions to obtain souls. What does Wendy have? A skill tree branch that requires 3 skill points to fully tap, allowing you to gain more while playing boring marginal games without any other content, which is very frustrating. It's like this skill tree hasn't tried to optimize the task from any reasonable perspective. Vila and Votox can optimize their tasks with the additional features of the new abilities while using them, while Wendy hasn't gained any new abilities, just increased the rewards.

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

I think everyone should agree that "It's OK to not be implemented in this update."

Yes I guess many of us would agree with this, but at the same time many of us are worrying about that if these problems could get a suitable fix in future. We already seen how the great depth worm continues broken for half years, we already have seen how the void mask lobster continues broken for 2 main holiday events. Where would we goes in the end if the situation have no good tuning points but just another problem added into "wait to fix in future" list?

[TeaY]

1 hour ago, SilverSpoon said:

Now that it's been eased so that you can get a ton of Mourning Glory from a Pipspook quest with skill tree points, I personally think that this is enough. Well, I think it would be fine to allow other characters to participate in collecting Mourning Glory, and I wouldn't against other ideas...

The simple repetition work in DST is not only Pipspook quest, and a complete overhaul or elaborate new additions would be too much for Klei I think.

Wendy's skill tree is almost entirely about mourning glory, but it's so cumbersome and boring to collect that it makes the entire skill tree useless, and many of the tests only test strength by spawning items, but completely ignore the experience in the real game

[SilverSpoon]

23 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Yes I guess many of us would agree with this, but at the same time many of us are worrying about that if these problems could get a suitable fix in future. We already seen how the great depth worm continues broken for half years, we already have seen how the void mask lobster continues broken for 2 main holiday events. Where would we goes in the end if the situation have no good tuning points but just another problem added into "wait to fix in future" list?

If you agree with "It's OK to not be implemented in this update," then I don't ask for anything more.

Klei has a limit of effort, and needs to make money. So I think we have no choice but to send suggestion and wait for Klei, or make our own server mods, or give up and quit out. Especially, they give us free updates...

I think this is getting a bit off topic, so no further opinions from me.

[Steorra]

26 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

Especially, they give us free updates...

I personally think this is just an operational strategy. I'd always like to buy some CDKey stuffs before (i mean the figures) including the funko set, the deerclop backpack, the youtooz set etc. You know they are far more expensive than what would could buy in game.

But I guess if the DST continue patch out some updates like the great depth worm, the void mask or something with similar broken quality  (gameplay is not the matter tbh, but the bug fixing is an important attitude. Similar issues lying behind Wendy's tree but I'd like to wait future fixes before I'm completely tired) I'd prefer to turn my attention from DST into other interesting things....

26 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

or make our own server mods,

This already happened to Wendy and Walter. And I could say that some of my friends are still busy in this kind of stuff (I mean another complete brand new skill tree mod for Wendy, in future).

[Evelo]

Nah I don't mind, The easier talent makes it less irritating.

[DaDa_waw]

7 hours ago, Evelo said:

Nah I don't mind, The easier talent makes it less irritating.

Unfortunately, turning constant annoyance into occasional annoyance cannot change the essence of annoyance

[congrongfuguo]

On 12/11/2024 at 8:52 PM, Lee lol said:

哇哦。这么好的主意，但是我觉得单独为温迪设计一个老板不合适

但是它依然可以和其他一些游戏元素连接在一起 比如最终找到罗密欧和朱丽叶的鬼魂 小惊吓的真实身份是他们的孩子然后一家人团聚让我们获得更多的哀悼荣耀2333

或者跟着小惊吓可能找到一个新的墓穴

话说目前游戏里关于鬼魂的内容是很有限的 也没有幽灵类的boss 这或许可以作为新的开发方向 （幽灵boss会随机继承死亡冒险家的部分能力 比如温蒂的死亡会产生两个boss 沃利鬼boss会掉落只有特殊效果不提供饱食度的料理什么的.. ）

But it can still be connected with other game elements, such as finding the ghosts of Romeo and Juliet, and the true identity of pipspook is their child, and then reuniting the family to gain more mourning glory. 2333

Alternatively, following pipspook may lead to finding a new tomb

currently the content about ghosts in games is very limited and there are no ghost bosses, which may serve as a new development direction.

(Ghost bosses will randomly inherit some of the abilities of death adventurers, such as Wendy's death, which will produce two bosses. Wally Ghost Boss will drop only special effects and does not provide satiety dishes.)

[IAmAFurrz]

its kinda like getting grass, you wouldn't complain getting grass is boring?

[DaDa_waw]

28 minutes ago, IAmAFurrz said:

its kinda like getting grass, you wouldn't complain getting grass is boring?

I don't know if you've experienced Wendy, but I can tell you it's completely different from planting grass.
Firstly, players can use sickles to harvest grass/Lureplant to automatically collect grass, and use Wickerbottom's books to grow grass in batches, and so on. But the task of pipspooks is the same from beginning to end, without any change.
Secondly, the way to obtain grass is far beyond mourning glory. You can harvest grass, raise grass lizards, pick tumbleweeds, kill grass crocodiles, and so on. Grass may appear in most of the locations you are preparing to go. But the task of pipspooks must be done specifically and cannot be mixed into any of your plans, it is a task that is disconnected from life. Meanwhile, Mourning Glory can only be obtained through the Pipspooks mission.
Finally, people like Villo and Votox can rely on the functions created by new skills to collect their exclusive items. But Wendy's skills did not create any new features, only allowing her to collect more mourning glory at once than before, which is a very unhealthy design.

[Debruh]

1 minute ago, DaDa_waw said:

task of pipspooks must be done specifically and cannot be mixed into any of your plans, it is a task that is disconnected from life.

You can do other stuff while doing pipspook quests

The other points are fair. Most characters should have their resource collection improved the later you get in game tbh

[DaDa_waw]

2 hours ago, Debruh said:

You can do other stuff while doing pipspook quests

The other points are fair. Most characters should have their resource collection improved the later you get in game tbh

I think my statement may have caused you a misunderstanding. Here we recommend you to refer to Vello and Votox. When they collect exclusive materials, they can often obtain other resources without any extra time, but the pipspook task is a task where you cannot earn profits without dedicating time specifically.
Yes, of course you can do other things halfway through the pipspook task, but you also know that you are already "doing other things" instead of the pipspook task.

[Debruh]

1 minute ago, DaDa_waw said:

I think my statement may have caused you a misunderstanding. Here we recommend you to refer to Vello and Votox. When they collect exclusive materials, they can often obtain other resources without any extra time, but the pipspook task is a task where you cannot earn profits without dedicating time specifically.
Yes, of course you can do other things halfway through the pipspook task, but you also know that you are already "doing other things" instead of the pipspook task.

I was responding to you saying that you can't mix other plans and task into it. Not a time argument.

Also, every resource collection needs time specifically dedicated to it. You need to go out of your way to kill mobs as Wortox or Willow. Go out of your way to start a spider fight as Webber. Go out of your way to gather nightmare fuel as Maxwell. Reeds as Wicker. And pretty much every materials.

Pipspook quests, with pipspook tree, usually take less time than Willow farming embers or Wortox farming souls. And others

[DaDa_waw]

16 minutes ago, Debruh said:

I was responding to you saying that you can't mix other plans and task into it. Not a time argument.

Also, every resource collection needs time specifically dedicated to it. You need to go out of your way to kill mobs as Wortox or Willow. Go out of your way to start a spider fight as Webber. Go out of your way to gather nightmare fuel as Maxwell. Reeds as Wicker. And pretty much every materials.

Pipspook quests, with pipspook tree, usually take less time than Willow farming embers or Wortox farming souls. And others

I'm afraid none of your examples are valid in my opinion.
Villo and Votox can easily obtain exclusive materials while obtaining loot from defeating creatures. For example, a homemade captive spider enclosure/beehive/killer bee plain. You can even obtain exclusive materials during battles due to some boss summoning attributes.
The remaining few do not have dedicated materials, and the available materials can be obtained in other daily work, but I can also give examples of the loopholes in your words.
Weber only needs to prepare the spider nest, and can also obtain the dropped items belonging to the spider war while solving the spider acquisition problem.
Maxwell can obtain both loot and nightmare fuel through the Rabbit Man, and even obtain nightmare fuel during battles with bosses (this is an advanced technique that traps bosses in cages, Gladiator output, Maxwell fights with Shadow Creatures)
Wickerbottom only needs to erase the boss's sculpture drawings to obtain the paper, and then put enough books in the bookshelf, so there is no need to obtain reeds anymore.

18 minutes ago, Debruh said:

I was responding to you saying that you can't mix other plans and task into it. Not a time argument.

Also, every resource collection needs time specifically dedicated to it. You need to go out of your way to kill mobs as Wortox or Willow. Go out of your way to start a spider fight as Webber. Go out of your way to gather nightmare fuel as Maxwell. Reeds as Wicker. And pretty much every materials.

Pipspook quests, with pipspook tree, usually take less time than Willow farming embers or Wortox farming souls. And others

As for the last one, in fact, other characters can be faster without consuming skill points, so I don't want to discuss it too much. ;(

[Echsrick]

wendy can collect grass or kill spiders while doin the pipspook thing, and it takes barely any time with her personal body guard takin care of all the spiders

[Debruh]

Just now, DaDa_waw said:

I'm afraid none of your examples are valid in my opinion.
Villo and Votox can easily obtain exclusive materials while obtaining loot from defeating creatures. For example, a homemade captive spider enclosure/beehive/killer bee plain. You can even obtain exclusive materials during battles due to some boss summoning attributes.
The remaining few do not have dedicated materials, and the available materials can be obtained in other daily work, but I can also give examples of the loopholes in your words.
Weber only needs to prepare the spider nest, and can also obtain the dropped items belonging to the spider war while solving the spider acquisition problem.
Maxwell can obtain both loot and nightmare fuel through the Rabbit Man, and even obtain nightmare fuel during battles with bosses (this is an advanced technique that traps bosses in cages, Gladiator output, Maxwell fights with Shadow Creatures)
Wickerbottom only needs to erase the boss's sculpture drawings to obtain the paper, and then put enough books in the bookshelf, so there is no need to obtain reeds anymore.

Wendy can also easily do the same via setting Abby to aggressive.

Graves already naturally spawn near spider dens in forests. So set Abby to aggressive there for spider materials. And pigmen houses can also spawn there for the occasional big meat and pigskin.

Some forests also have small beefalo savannahs, which graves can spawn on the edge of, nearby for wool and meat. Sometimes toys of pipspooks from mosiac graveyard can spawn near tallbirds. Abby can kill tallbirds with the scare command. And beef can have the scare command used on them, and shadow Abby can solo a small herd of beef at daytime, with a shield elixir for safety.

You can also relocate graves to bee biomes for bee materials and other places for whatever you want while farming pipspooks.

There's also twigs, grass, and berries that can harvested. Pipspooks can be slower than you on a beef, and probably on a walking cane too, so you can do so while they catch up. This can be done while Abby is fighting other mobs. Meaning you can get mourning glory, twigs, grass, berries, and whatever Abby is killing at the same time.

That's a lot more materials than Willow and Wortox can get. Aside from spiders and bees, other creatures aren't really that good to farm.

Bosses aren't a good source of embers, as they drop 7 or 8 embers. Shadow flames and lunar flames are both 5 embers. Just two casts make this a loss. You can obtain them, sure. But you're losing materials if anything.

Webber's spider wars take time. There's also always the potential of his good spiders dying in spider wars, meaning that he has two have a place for good spiders, and another for farming. He can't really get spiders furing spider wars, as they will often engage in the war.

Maxwell can't really farm rabbits or bunnymen for nightmare fuel anymore due to the rabbit king. His best bets are shadow splumonkeys, which means he will have to go to the ruins, or just normal inefficient nightmares.

The technique you mention is good for obtaining nightmare fuel mid boss fight. But it's risky, and can even be not rewarding in some fights. If shadow fights are killed too quickly, Max has to replace them quickly as well as cage the boss.

You will usually get only two papyrus per boss. Which isn't that good. Wicker will usually craft a lot of books and libraries. Books that farm twigs, grass, and trees. Books that farm eatable food. Books on lunar island for a krampus sack farm. Etc. Eventually it's over but it will take a while.

Wendy also usually uses less mourning glory, than these characters do their own stuff. She also can store her resource in backpacks and on the ground, unlike Willow and Wortox