Don't understand

[LitulLola]

Why was gastalt Abigail nerfed anyway?

It's not like she's available early or mid game. There will be few Wendy's who will even unlock her. U'd need to complete the shadow pieces, moonstone event, archives, pearl quest, crabking, ancient guardian, fuelwever, moon storm event and then defeat the celestial champion to even unlock it.

Then the damage is less/comparable to original Abigail with a Wendy with a decent weapon. I just don't get it. The only way to get more damage with gastalt Abigail is to apply nightshade nostrum which was taken away too.

Srry I was away when this dropped and missed the whole debate

[Gytre]

Nightshade Nostrum now works, it was a bug.

[LitulLola]

Thank you! Well that would of made her useful if they hadn't nerfed it ;(

[WenericMember]

I don't think it was ever actually nerfed. It may be undertuned though.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

Thank you! Well that would of made her useful if they hadn't nerfed it ;(

I mean considering the hex duration buff and that she's now immune to damage when circling I think that's more of a buff if anything technically she's now perfect for boss fights no? Though I guess we need to get our hands on it first to see for sure. 

[Jason]

Hey LitulLola, 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by Gestalt Abigail being nerfed.

We will be putting out a patch soon of the current changes, probably tomorrow. Several of these changes affect Gestalt Abby.

• Her behavior has been improved to work more as intended. She should stay away from her target until ready to attack.
• Her attack seeks
• Her vex lasts longer to compensate for the slower attack rate.
• The alignment Elixers are classified as a new level of Elixer that work in parallel to the standard ones. So you can use the lunar Elixer as well as Nostrum at the same time.

11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

 she's now immune to damage when circling 

A clarification, she's not immune when circling. She's immune when attacking.  But in the current beta code, her brain is conflicting with other behaviour causing her to wander through the fight. The coming changes should fix this, so she should skirt her target at a distance better now.

[Mysterious box]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

A clarification, she's not immune when circling. She's immune when attacking.  But in the current beta code, her brain is conflicting with other behaviour causing her to wander through the fight. The coming changes should fix this, so she should skirt her target at a distance better now.

Oh thanks for clearing that up.

[LitulLola]

Thank you all! I was so confused, I was told that gestalt Abigail damage was nerfed! Basically because ppl were upset about the high damage. Due to ppl not understanding her vex/petal mechanics. Hope this makes sense?

[Jason]

Gestalt Abigail is basically Abigail's damage x10.
And her Lunar Elixir give her 10 planar damage, so Gestalt Abby gets 100. 
So at night or with the Nightshade Nostrum and the Lunar Elixir, she does 500 damage.

[1007954611]

7 minutes ago, Jason said:

格式塔 Abigail 基本上是 Abigail 的伤害 x10。
而她的月亮药会给她 10 时空伤害，所以格式塔艾比得到 100 点伤害。
所以在夜晚或使用 Nightshade Nostrum 和 Lunar Elixir，她会造成 500 点伤害。

Actually, I think we could lower Abigail's damage. But give Abigail an easier way to change forms. Now it's very troublesome for Abigail to evolve into gastalt Abigail or change back to the normal Abigail.

[LitulLola]

U guys are awesome, thank you for explaining this. Lesson learned don't always trust what you hear. Lol sorry usually I'm better at that but I just got back.

4 minutes ago, 1007954611 said:

Actually, I think we could lower Abigail's damage. But give Abigail an easier way to change forms. Now it's very troublesome for Abigail to evolve into gastalt Abigail or change back to the normal Abigail.

I thought it only relied on a full/new moon and a Moondial. Is that becoming troublesome? Or is it just the time it takes that's the problem?

15 minutes ago, Jason said:

Gestalt Abigail is basically Abigail's damage x10.
And her Lunar Elixir give her 10 planar damage, so Gestalt Abby gets 100. 
So at night or with the Nightshade Nostrum and the Lunar Elixir, she does 500 damage.

Off topic but I think your doing an incredible job Klei as a whole and I appreciate all you guy's do for us! Please keep it up!

[1007954611]

12 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

U guys are awesome, thank you for explaining this. Lesson learned don't always trust what you hear. Lol sorry usually I'm better at that but I just got back.

I thought it only relied on a full/new moon and a Moondial. Is that becoming troublesome? Or is it just the time it takes that's the problem?

Off topic but I think your doing an incredible job Klei as a whole and I appreciate all you guy's do for us! Please keep it up!

 a full/new moon and a Moondial is an long time between them, and it is very troublesome to prevent them from missing out on the time

[LitulLola]

15 minutes ago, 1007954611 said:

a full/new moon and a Moondial is an long time between them, and it is very troublesome to prevent them from missing out on the time

So it's just the time that's the problem (time between full/new moon) correct? Maybe she can get a potion to turn her back to normal Abby before/ instead of waiting for the new moon? I dunno 10 days seems like a good drawback

[1007954611]

29 minutes ago, LitulLola said:

所以问题只是时间（满月/新月之间的时间）对吗？也许她可以得到一种药水，让她在/之前/而不是等待新月之前变回正常的艾比？我不知道 10 天似乎是一个很好的缺点

That's right, time is the biggest issue

[Mr Giggio]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Hey LitulLola, 
I'm not quite sure what you mean by Gestalt Abigail being nerfed.

We will be putting out a patch soon of the current changes, probably tomorrow. Several of these changes affect Gestalt Abby.

• Her behavior has been improved to work more as intended. She should stay away from her target until ready to attack.
• Her attack seeks
• Her vex lasts longer to compensate for the slower attack rate.
• The alignment Elixers are classified as a new level of Elixer that work in parallel to the standard ones. So you can use the lunar Elixer as well as Nostrum at the same time.

A clarification, she's not immune when circling. She's immune when attacking.  But in the current beta code, her brain is conflicting with other behaviour causing her to wander through the fight. The coming changes should fix this, so she should skirt her target at a distance better now.

Thank u for the hard work and resilience its being quite a chaotic time and u guys doing great. Keep up, loved to see the live today. 

[ZeRoboButler]

3 hours ago, 1007954611 said:

That's right, time is the biggest issue

I think I could understand that, being a warly player trying to amass a decent amount of vegetables is time consuming, but the payoff is fantastic. Would it really be worth it to reduce the power of abby just to make the swapping process easier? A change like that seems like the type to spark frustration rather then appeal.

[1007954611]

52 minutes ago, ZeRoboButler said:

我想我可以理解，作为一个谨慎的玩家试图积累相当数量的蔬菜很耗时，但回报是惊人的。仅仅为了让交换过程更容易而降低 abby 的能力真的值得吗？像这样的变化似乎是引发挫败感而不是吸引力的类型。

In fact, Abigail really doesn't lack attack stats, what has been urgently needed is better survivability and convenient control, and I think it's worth it to exchange a little damage for a more convenient switch form