Why is Wendy so popular in China?

[WenericMember]

6 minutes ago, YXukun said:

The culture stuff is never a main reason, we do dig graves to get gems/toys. It's just that with her skilltree providing little valuable contents to do things I mentioned above, the grave removing looks rather almost a mock to the character, and the dark petal to petal skill too.

That's understandable, the skill  is flawed in its implementation, it was just brought up as a cultural thing in this thread.

5 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

I suppose you are trying to reply me. First of all, I am not saying "Canadian companies must abide by the rules of Chinese culture" but want to explain "why some players are dissatisfied with grave-related skills". Secondly, the original "digging graves" is actually more like "grave robbing", not digging up the tombstones together like now. Personally, I think it is better to handle "grave transplantation" in a more romantic and magical way.

I believe Purelove also brought it up as a topic.

While you may not have said precisely that Klei must abide by Chinese culture, I feel the logical follow up to "some players dislike grave skills because it goes against culture" is "the skills should be changed to be more appropriate." Perhaps I was reading too much into your statements.

Perhaps having be a more fantastical version of the skill would be better, but I don't think it's necessary when there are more pressing issues with her tree.

 

[Blue Tangerine]

3 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

That's understandable, the skill  is flawed in its implementation, it was just brought up as a cultural thing in this thread.

While you may not have said precisely that Klei must abide by Chinese culture, I feel the logical follow up to "some players dislike grave skills because it goes against culture" is "the skills should be changed to be more appropriate." Perhaps I was reading too much into your statements.

Perhaps having be a more fantastical version of the skill would be better, but I don't think it's necessary when there are more pressing issues with her tree.

 

I guess we have an agreement then,gladly. 

Hey, while we're on the subject of transplanting graves, why don't we just move Sisturn's life enhance buff to Abigail to flower-decorated grave, since at least the grave is transplantable (despite of its way of trasplanting).

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

I guess we have an agreement then,gladly. 

Hey, while we're on the subject of transplanting graves, why don't we just move Sisturn's life enhance buff to Abigail to flower-decorated grave, since at least the grave is transplantable (despite of its way of trasplanting).

Its not a bad Idea, but I like the sisturn, its very pretty and I much prefer Abigail having her own monument, rather than using generic ones for power. I hope the sisturn gets some skins the update too. Perhaps the other way might be better, giving dark petal generation to Sisturn.

[Blue Tangerine]

Just now, WenericMember said:

Its not a bad Idea, but I like the sisturn, its very pretty and I much prefer Abigail having her own monument, rather than using generic ones for power. I hope the sisturn gets some skins the update too.

 

Me,too❤️

[Utopia353]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

I am confused… isn’t Cult of the lamb also a largely Chinese game? And well that.. it has a ton of stuff I won’t mention here despite DST being rated T for Teen.. the forums are much more family friendly E for Everyone.

But the game I mentioned above (known for much darker, more bloody humor) Is also rated T for Teen same as DST & they shared a Crossover event.

It gets blurry between the lines.. but I’m sure that if the game can have half eaten Zombiefied animal carcasses that it’s okay for Wendy to move and create Gravestones.

*shrugs*

It may seem confusing to compare two games like this, but there are cultural nuances to consider.In Chinese culture, actions like digging or moving graves are viewed as extremely disrespectful and ominous, akin to violating deep religious taboos. They are associated with bad luck and misfortune, so people generally avoid such practices.
In games like Cult of the Lamb, certain behaviors—such as digging graves or consuming "zombified" animals—might come across as disturbing or in bad taste. Still, players may find such "bad taste" elements oddly thrilling or intriguing in a virtual setting. It could evoke a mix of discomfort and excitement, tapping into a dark curiosity. While it may seem a little twisted, it's part of the appeal for some players because it’s clearly fictional.

Well, I'm a Chinese player, and this is a reply with translation software, I just wanted to check if there's any possibility of revamping Wendy's skill tree.
As for why Wendy is popular in our area, there should be several reasons. But as for whether it's a pedophile or not, I can only say that this explanation is a kind of bad taste if you will, it's like the shameless behavior of SHAMELESS, living only in their own world. For one, it's that Wendy is cute, good looking, and has the feel of a lovely daughter, so there's a kind of companionship for solo players. Two, people in East Asia are generally under a lot of stress, so they'll pick a character that's easy and lives a long time, but it's still a long game, at least not like League of Legends where you'll be trying out new characters quickly. So choose a character that looks good, has simple abilities, is easy to pick up, and can live for a long time without too much research. Well, that's all there is to write about the reasons.

However, Wendy’s current skill tree has a few issues that frustrate players. Abigail, for example, becomes far too fragile in the late game, and her 0.75x damage multiplier feels underwhelming. Players tend to have high expectations for Abigail, but she doesn’t scale well enough to meet them.

If Wendy’s skill tree remains unchanged, I might find myself gravitating more toward the Firestarter instead.OK, the last angry and disappointment, firewomon burned the planner's desk.

[loopuleasa]

So many split-brain answers in this chat

I'm curious to hear from people that are actually gamers from China with actual arguments

[Blue Tangerine]

4 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

So many split-brain answers in this chat

I'm curious to hear from people that are actually gamers from China with actual arguments

I am

[NINA1917]

She is beautiful and sad. The overall image is that of a beautiful being that is easily broken. This is the reason why most people love her.
At the same time, her dependence on operations in boss battles has attracted some enthusiastic players who are keen on challenges.

[cropo]

29 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

So many split-brain answers in this chat

I'm curious to hear from people that are actually gamers from China with actual arguments

They're not going to answer truthfully.:

Wendy is pale-skinned, traditionally feminine, is very "flowery" in most of her skins and her kit. Meanwhile, other female characters, like Wigfrid, have a more masculine and jaw-defining apearance to them, bigger lips, louder and more grating instruments for their speech.

Willow is an obnoxious gremlin, and has elements of Japanese inspirations in her. 

Wurt is a literal gremlin

Wickerbottom is old and snooty in appearance.

Wanda is old and not pale-skinned.

All the other characters are male.

Like, it's hard to answer this question with an honest answer because regardless of their talk of skill trees and all that a large factor is the things I listed above.

Also I'd like to add that people are going to bring up Wendy's age, and due to the language barrier and the fact that all characters look very similar in age aside from a few obvious standouts that's not immediately apparent. Wilson, Willow, and Wendy all look to be of similar ages and yet all 3 of them are around 10 years apart in age. 

[Blue Tangerine]

3 minutes ago, cropo said:

They're not going to answer truthfully.:

Wendy is pale-skinned, traditionally feminine, is very "flowery" in most of her skins and her kit. Meanwhile, other female characters, like Wigfrid, have a more masculine and jaw-defining apearance to them, bigger lips, louder and more grating instruments for their speech.

Willow is an obnoxious gremlin, and has elements of Japanese inspirations in her. 

Wurt is a literal gremlin

Wickerbottom is old and snooty in appearance.

All the other characters are male.

Like, it's hard to answer this question with an honest answer because regardless of their talk of skill trees and all that a large factor is the things I listed above.

Also I'd like to add that people are going to bring up Wendy's age, and due to the language barrier and the fact that all characters look very similar in age aside from a few obvious standouts that's not immediately apparent. Wilson, Willow, and Wendy all look to be of similar ages and yet all 3 of them are around 10 years apart in age. 

Your bias and lies are not true and appear mean and arrogant.

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Your bias and lies are not true and appear mean and arrogant.

Natlan.

Hell, look at a lot of the answers on this very page. A lot of them are some way of skirting around the topic of "she is beautiful" trying to play it off with rational explanations. Play enough Chinese gacha games, you'll see the common elements.

The very post above mine literally mentions "beautiful, and easily broken".  Traditionally feminine, in other words. 

[Blue Tangerine]

2 minutes ago, cropo said:

Natlan.

Hell, look at a lot of the answers on this very page. A lot of them are some way of skirting around the topic of "she is beautiful" trying to play it off with rational explanations. Play enough Chinese gacha games, you'll see the common elements.

The very post above mine literally mentions "beautiful, and easily broken".  Traditionally feminine, in other words. 

心脏的人看什么都脏

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, YXukun said:

I think there's difference between how people play and the settings of a character. Wendy has nothing to do with beefalos in her settings, yet players made beefalo her best companion. Such things is similar in Wanda, she used the ageless watch without hesitate when she turned into old in the video, yet players often choose to stay in old age to maximum their damage.

I think that's debatable really as the devs have said all the survivors have failed and died multiple times canonically and it's even shown they've lost to rather easy to kill enemies like a single spider it's very unlikely that after what may have been years getting killed on loop they wouldn't develop strategies that took advantage of their strengths especially now that they have Wilson there to teach them.

[Blue Tangerine]

1 hour ago, cropo said:

Natlan.

Hell, look at a lot of the answers on this very page. A lot of them are some way of skirting around the topic of "she is beautiful" trying to play it off with rational explanations. Play enough Chinese gacha games, you'll see the common elements.

The very post above mine literally mentions "beautiful, and easily broken".  Traditionally feminine, in other words. 

What Cropo said is a complete and utter lie that ignores the facts. Please allow me to refute it from the following points.
First, Wendy's popularity is indeed affected by her beautiful appearance, but this does not mean that she represents a female stereotype, nor does it mean that Wendy players are all pedophiles. This is explicit discrimination.
Second, the reason why Wendy is popular, I think I and many Wendy players have explained it very clearly. A long time ago, aoe damage was still scarce, and Abigil could help new players solve many problems in the early stage. At that time, players called her "Wengfrid" to praise her for having combat power comparable to Wigfrid.
Third, "Because Wendy is a female stereotype, and other female characters are not, she is more popular" is the stupidest and  most repulsive statement I have ever heard. I will refute it one by one.
Wickbottom is actually more popular than Wendy. The Chinese community often calls her "Granny", "the only true goddess of DST" to express respect for her, because her magic books can produce tons of basic resources with almost no cost. The reason why she is not common in multiplayer is that Max can read her magic books, too,and Shadow Servents can help collect resources very quickly, but this does not mean that Wick is unpopular. There is a phrase circulating in the Chinese community “奶植麦”, and the three Chinese characters represent Wick, Wormwood and Max respectively. They are all indispensable characters for long-term games and multiplayers  online games.

[erick was right]

1 hour ago, Blue Tangerine said:

At this point, I believe that it is more because of cultural differences. In Chinese culture, "digging graves" is a very offensive behavior. I will give the following allusion as an example. During the Spring and Autumn Period, the King of Chu killed Wu Zixu's father and brother. When Wu Zixu finally led his army to break through the capital of Chu and wanted to kill the King of Chu for revenge, the King of Chu had already died of illness, so he dug up the King's grave and whipped the King's dead body. On the Chinese Internet today, there is still a popular phrase "dancing disco on someone's grave" to describe some extremely insulting and provocative behaviors. In fact, the dissatisfaction with the grave-related skill tree is mainly due to the "digging" action itself, which is regarded as a destruction of the grave and disrespect for the dead. I suppose it might be more acceptable to change it to transplanting the graves in more magical and romantic ways.

Good thing, in Europe and America you dig graves daily as it's not offensive at all. X D

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

nor does it mean that Wendy players are all pedophiles.

I did not say that, and was actually defending you guys from that accusation.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Second, the reason why Wendy is popular, I think I and many Wendy players have explained it

It was mostly the English speaking players who started trying to bring up Wendy's actual gameplay utility, whereas a lot of the people with low-post counts, including you, immediately went straight to her beauty as the first thing.

 

5 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

Wickbottom is actually more popular than Wendy. The Chinese community often calls her "Granny", "the only true goddess of DST" to express respect for her, because her magic books can produce tons of basic resources with almost no loss. The reason why she is not common in multiplayer is that Max can also read her magic books, too，

Fair enough, I'll take your word on that.

[loopuleasa]

51 minutes ago, Blue Tangerine said:

I am

Blue, can you please link your post where you discussed this topic

Is this effect particular to China? Do the arguments apply to all Wendy players or only Chinese?

Do you want this to be coined as "The Wendy Effect"?

[Blue Tangerine]

4 minutes ago, cropo said:

I did not say that, and was actually defending you guys from that accusation.

 

 

It was mostly the English speaking players who started trying to bring up Wendy's actual gameplay utility, whereas a lot of the people with low-post counts, including you, immediately went straight to her beauty as the first thing.

 

Fair enough, I'll take your word on that.

Wigfrid, besides her mediocre skill tree, is actually more suitable for experienced players to guide new players. Her team buffs (especially Clear Minded Cadenza, Heartrending Ballad and Fireproof Falsetto) make her very popular when teamed with Woodie and Wormwood.
Wurt and Wanda are generally in the same situation, that is, DLC characters are not suitable for new players. Wurt also has a problem that the army of Merms will bring huge pressure to the server. Webber has the same shortcomings. Fortunately, Wurt's skill tree improves this to a certain extent.
In summary, none of them is "unpopular" because they "do not conform to the female stereotype".Your words are completely lies. 

[cropo]

Just now, Blue Tangerine said:

Wigfrid, besides her mediocre skill tree, is actually more suitable for experienced players to guide new players. Her team buffs (especially Clear Minded Cadenza, Heartrending Ballad and Fireproof Falsetto) make her very popular when teamed with Woodie and Wormwood.
Wurt and Wanda are generally in the same situation, that is, DLC characters are not suitable for new players. Wurt also has a problem that the army of Merms will bring huge pressure to the server. Webber has the same shortcomings. Fortunately, Wurt's skill tree improves this to a certain extent.
In summary, none of them is "unpopular" because they "do not conform to the female stereotype".Your words are completely lies. 

Alright, alright. Lets just say you're right and I am wrong.

[Blue Tangerine]

1 hour ago, loopuleasa said:

Blue, can you please link your post where you discussed this topic

Is this effect particular to China? Do the arguments apply to all Wendy players or only Chinese?

Do you want this to be coined as "The Wendy Effect"?

Here are some of them.You will need some translator. 

Players from Baidu Tieba

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9290675189?share=9105&fr=sharewise&see_lz=0&share_from=post&sfc=copy&client_type=2&client_version=12.73.1.1&st=1732713602&is_video=false&unique=C2CC7CF80C7C5E7471879FC2D5CF3551

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/9282340923?share=9105&fr=sharewise&see_lz=0&share_from=post&sfc=copy&client_type=2&client_version=12.73.1.1&st=1732713634&is_video=false&unique=43755BF84B35D557C8A95F0A534F8660

Players and uploaders from Bilibili

【温蒂技能树更新 全解析 饥荒联机-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/r2A9bj0

【发发牢骚，聊聊温蒂的现状和对技能树的看法-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/E1346VF

【温蒂到底哪强了？-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/hDUqb1F

【你认为，温蒂的技能应该是啥样，谈谈我的想法。-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/pnatEXY

【为什么还有人洗温蒂技能树月阿比线合情合理-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/b0G4pPq

【【声援】来自女武神玩家：坚决支持修改温蒂测试服技能树-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/obL8EAl

 

[Peasant]

33 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I think that's debatable really as the devs have said all the survivors have failed and died multiple times canonically and it's even shown they've lost to rather easy to kill enemies like a single spider it's very unlikely that after what may have been years getting killed on loop they wouldn't develop strategies that took advantage of their strengths especially now that they have Wilson there to teach them.

I...didn't quite follow you. Do you mean that the characters had developed methods which suit them surviving, and...taught these skills to the players?

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, YXukun said:

I...didn't quite follow you. Do you mean that the characters had developed methods which suit them surviving, and...taught these skills to the players?

No I'm saying assuming the characters wouldn't have reached similar conclusions to the players after many deaths and failures feels unlikely.

[grm9]

2 hours ago, Blue Tangerine said:

At this point, I believe that it is more because of cultural differences. In Chinese culture, "digging graves" is a very offensive behavior. I will give the following allusion as an example. During the Spring and Autumn Period, the King of Chu killed Wu Zixu's father and brother. When Wu Zixu finally led his army to break through the capital of Chu and wanted to kill the King of Chu for revenge, the King of Chu had already died of illness, so he dug up the King's grave and whipped the King's dead body. On the Chinese Internet today, there is still a popular phrase "dancing disco on someone's grave" to describe some extremely insulting and provocative behaviors. In fact, the dissatisfaction with the grave-related skill tree is mainly due to the "digging" action itself, which is regarded as a destruction of the grave and disrespect for the dead. I suppose it might be more acceptable to change it to transplanting the graves in more magical and romantic ways

you were able to dig graves, hammer skeletons and kill ghosts even before the wendy skill tree...

[NINA1917]

34 minutes ago, cropo said:

Traditionally feminine

 

Wendy is not a woman in the traditional sense. The core of her character's story is not obsession and surrender, but sadness.
She was beautiful, but beauty was only part of the fire. The real flame is called tragedy. It can easily burn people's hearts, just like tears always make people worry.
Most of Wendy's players in China are women, and some feminine men .

[Blue Tangerine]

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you were able to dig graves, hammer skeletons and kill ghosts even before the wendy skill tree...

The original "digging graves" is actually more like "grave robbing", not digging up the tombstones together like now. Personally, I think it is better to handle "grave transplantation" in a more romantic and magical way.