feedback Overall Walter feedback for his current state

[Mysterious box]

Just now, AliceMagtron said:

if u can start with another weaker version of that book which can fill with fuel, i will agree, its fair because walter do can craft many of his bullet without a craft station

I would say that was fine if the weaker bullets got buffed and the stronger ones became stronger to represent that difference in value because as is stingers are the rock equivalent for the slingshot and we all know how much use those get.

[AliceMagtron]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I would say that was fine if the weaker bullets got buffed and the stronger ones became stronger to represent that difference in value because as is stingers are the rock equivalent for the slingshot and we all know how much use those get.

u want them more powerful? he already ranged, now u have howlitzer, u know how ranged weapon works so well in DST, even u need to cost 1 tooth for each shoot, and walters bullet has 10 more times better resource conversion rate.

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

u want them more powerful? he already ranged, now u have howlitzer, u know how ranged weapon works so well in DST, even u need to cost 1 tooth for each shoot, and walters bullet has 10 more times better resource conversion rate.

What I'm saying is the issue with glass being the "special rounds is that stingers only deal 17 aoe damage if the reason that glass is made so inconvenient is that it's supposed to be special then it doesn't make sense for the only alternative to be stingers it would be like if the original slingshot only had pebbles and cursed rounds no?

But personally I think they should just make him have to learn these special rounds once

By the way so there's no misunderstanding I was talking about the aoe damage

[AliceMagtron]

38 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

What I'm saying is the issue with glass being the "special rounds is that stingers only deal 17 aoe damage if the reason that glass is made so inconvenient is that it's supposed to be special then it doesn't make sense for the only alternative to be stingers it would be like if the original slingshot only had pebbles and cursed rounds no?

But personally I think they should just make him have to learn these special rounds once

should i remind u that even abigail have only 15~40 AoE dmg with slower atk spd? and u have to worry about her hp. if u dont like that 17 ranged AoE, please give to to abi, we really need ranged atk to keep abi alive from some AoE boss. besides, 1 stack/40 stingers means 3400 AoE dmg, what u want to kill which needs AoE atk is normally about 100~150 hp. and u also have 9 extra slot from wobby which means u can carry extra 540 bullets, u can make 540 glass bullets just resupply once in base, what u need to beat which request so many bullets. walter already has so many privilege and u still want a huge AoE dmg?

and why not gold but pebbles? for me demand of rock is much more than gold since we have no gold wall and much gold needed stuff, there always hundreds of goldnuggets lying in my chester and i never can use them all. let walter make bullets should be a good way to use them.  

[Dingle]

9 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

should i remind u that even abigail have only 15~40 AoE dmg? and u have to worry about her hp. if u dont like that 17 ranged AoE, please give to to abi, we really need ranged atk to keep abi alive from some AoE boss. besides, 1 stack/40 stingers means 3400 AoE dmg, what u want to kill which needs AoE atk is normally about 100~150 hp. and u also have 9 extra slot from wobby which means u can carry extra 540 bullets, u can make 540 glass bullets just resupply once in base, what u need to beat which request so many bullets. walter already has so many privilege and u still want a huge AoE dmg?

and why not gold but pebbles? for me demand of rock is much more than gold since we have no gold wall and much gold needed stuff, there always hundreds of goldnuggets lying in my chester and i never can use them all. let walter make bullets should be a good way to use them.  

Your "buff Wendy because the other 2 characters are stronger and should get nerfed" strategy is getting really tiresome.

[Mysterious box]

5 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

should i remind u that even abigail have only 15~40 AoE dmg? and u have to worry about her hp. if u dont like that 17 ranged AoE, please give to to abi, we really need ranged atk to keep abi alive from some AoE boss. besides, 1 stack/40 stingers means 3400 AoE dmg, what u want to kill which needs AoE atk is normally about 100~150 hp. and u also have 9 extra slot from wobby which means u can carry extra 540 bullets, u can make 540 glass bullets just resupply once in base, what u need to beat which request so many bullets. walter already has so many privilege and u still want a huge AoE dmg?

and why not gold but pebbles? for me demand of rock is much more than gold since we have no gold wall and much gold needed stuff, there always hundreds of goldnuggets lying in my chester and i never can use them all. let walter make bullets should be a good way to use them.  

Except Abigial is a separate entity and has no cost to upkeep and even then her aoe is larger and faster if you want it for abigal fine but shrink her range, lower her attack sped and require it as a constantly consumable resource and give it the ability to miss as well.

What I want is for Walter to get the same privilege afforded to other characters if he has to constantly go to.a specific station for a craft he will need frequently why doesn't it work that way for litterally anyone else? Have him learn it there? Fine but otherwise why? Give me one good reason.

[AliceMagtron]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Your "buff Wendy because the other 2 characters are stronger and should get nerfed" strategy is getting really tiresome.

if u make a character completely better alternative, then why u reserve the weaker one? yourgreedy is the most tiresome.

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

if u make a character completely better alternative, then why u reserve the weaker one? yourgreedy is the most tiresome.

This is going to backfire for you, it's just going to make people call for Wendy nerfs if you keep doing this.

"Wendy is weaker than Walter" is a pretty laughable lie. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Especially not the developers.

[AliceMagtron]

24 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Except Abigial is a separate entity and has no cost to upkeep and even then her aoe is larger and faster if you want it for abigal fine but shrink her range, lower her attack sped and require it as a constantly consumable resource and give it the ability to miss as well.

i do agree to add some cost to abigail and make her better, and generally, abi atk slower than characters, especially u can use trick like switch helmat to increasee your atk spd.

 

24 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

What I want is for Walter to get the same privilege afforded to other characters if he has to constantly go to.a specific station for a craft he will need frequently why doesn't it work that way for litterally anyone else? Have him learn it there? Fine but otherwise why? Give me one good reason.

i never said they shouldnt, in fact i encourage klei to do that, if this can make the characters upper limit higher, but in the same time u have to remember that walter has more 9 inventory slot, that means he can carry 30%~44% more than other characters, if u want to be fair, then should delete that privilege too. 

10 minutes ago, Dingle said:

This is going to backfire for you, it's just going to make people call for Wendy nerfs if you keep doing this.

"Wendy is weaker than Walter" is a pretty laughable lie. You're not fooling anyone but yourself. Especially not the developers.

i never said wendy is weaker than walter, but after this patch, it may comes true, and we r talking about fair problem here, so we have to talk about the privilege buff or nerf problem

10 minutes ago, Dingle said:

This is going to backfire for you, it's just going to make people call for Wendy nerfs if you keep doing this.

u can call klei for this, thats your freedom. i just trying to fight for better skill tree, at least i tried, unlike some coward can only laugh others strive from behind

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, AliceMagtron said:

i do agree to add some cost to abigail and make her better, and generally, abi ate slower than characters, especially u can use trick like switch helmat to increasee your atk spd.

 

i never said they shouldnt, in fact i encourage klei to do that, if this can make the characters upper limit higher, but in the same time u have to remember that walter has more 9 inventory slot, that means he can carry 30%~44% more than other characters, if u want to be fair, then should delete that privilege too. 

You can't attack cancel with the slingshot also abigial is a faster attacker than any other follower

As for Abigial specifically I feel like they should have strengthened her aoe combat power some more but they did expand her area of expertise with her panic ability and soon to be added haunt ability there are still a lot of ways to strengthen both Wendy and Abigial without leaning away from her playstyle. Even when you look at Walter they didn't try to step out of his area of expertise and he's gotten stronger right?

[AliceMagtron]

14 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

You can't attack cancel with the slingshot

actually u can, its just different from other characters and need some practice. first u should know why switch equipment can make u atk faster. because it cancels the animation after the dmg deals. but slingshot is different, the animation before the dmg deals is long, so we need to cancel that, the thing we need is a ranged weapon with short animation before dmg deals, so which one? ice/fire staff, try and practice it, u well see the effect.

 

14 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

they did expand her area of expertise with her panic ability and soon to be added haunt ability

im sorry but panic ability is totally useless, the only one seems could try to dodge some atk is dash ability. and we never know what actually that haunt ability could do anything different than players ghost.

[Dingle]

25 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

u can call klei for this, thats your freedom. i just trying to fight for better skill tree, at least i tried, unlike some coward can only laugh others strive from behind

I wouldn't mind you fighting for Wendy to be stronger, even though she is already one of the strongest characters in the game despite having no perks, if you would do it in the numerous Wendy threads.

It really seems like you post in the Walter and Wortox threads more than the Wendy threads, calling for their nerfs and hijacking them to talk about Wendy. It's so tiresome and transparent.

[AliceMagtron]

11 minutes ago, Dingle said:

It really seems like you post in the Walter and Wortox threads more than the Wendy threads, calling for their nerfs and hijacking them to talk about Wendy. It's so tiresome and transparent.

for walter, i never said klei should nerf him, me and mysterious box are talking about fair problem, so we r talking about u really want a privilege, what u have to give up for it.

and for wortox, it should be nerf, not wendys business. this patch makes wortox brainless is truth, by solve early game soul restore problem with AoE dmg, and u can now store max 245 souls, though 1 jar with max 65 souls is already insane. thats a no cooldown, no armor slot need bone armor, tell me which boss u cant simply bully with 65 times invincible and 64x65=4160 additional dmg, except that 100k hp toad? isnt that another side of wolfgong value monster?

14 minutes ago, Dingle said:

even though she is already one of the strongest characters in the game despite having no perks

i can never understand that opinion, how about u use wendy to play that speed run tournament and get a trophy to prove? they already ban wolfgong, i think the u should get a good rank since wendy is "one of the strongest character"

[Dingle]

4 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

 u can now store max 245 souls, though 1 jar with max 65 souls is already insane. thats a no cooldown, no armor slot need bone armor, tell me which boss u cant simply bully with 65 times invincible and 64x65=4160 additional dmg, except that 100k hp toad? isnt that another side of wolfgong value monster?

You haven't played Wortox, have you? Have you played Walter, either?

Post a video of you killing Deerclops by dropping 65 decoys. That would be funny. It might be too long to post to the forum, though.

Wendy does way too much damage on a beefalo. 120 dps at night with Abigail, I think. 102 damage per hit from an ornery war beefalo. Needs a nerf really bad, it's practically Wanda damage, but with no downside. Shouldn't she be an AOE specialist, instead? Her perks make her even better as an AOE specialist because she can set up automatic grave ghost farms.

I hope the Walter players appreciate their threads getting bumped to the top.

[Mysterious box]

32 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

for walter, i never said klei should nerf him, me and mysterious box are talking about fair problem, so we r talking about u really want a privilege, what u have to give up for it.

But he already gives up something and it's something massive he takes sanity damage on hit, extra damage from bees, and can't gain sanity from non magical items

[AliceMagtron]

7 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Post a video of you killing Deerclops by dropping 65 decoys. That would be funny. It might be too long to post to the forum, though.

as i said, that gives additional dmg, not all, and the main problem is u can be invincible from lunar line and triple blink to dodge instead of run out of the range to avoid atk. but one situation that this dmg metters, is to fight against beequeen.

11 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Wendy does way too much damage on a beefalo. 120 dps at night with Abigail, I think. 102 damage per hit from an ornery war beefalo. Needs a nerf really bad, it's practically Wanda damage, but with no downside.

1st i agree, it should only trigger 1.1 cause beefalo is the one who atk. 2nd u havent learned math in primary school, have u? u call 101 dmg is practical 143 dmg? ur math score must have been F-.

17 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Shouldn't she be an AOE specialist, instead? Her perks make her even better as an AOE specialist because she can set up automatic grave ghost farms.

im sorry but AoE specialist is always winona, and why u think the only way of AoE specialist is to set up a ghost farm?

[arubaro]

35 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

i can never understand that opinion, how about u use wendy to play that speed run tournament and get a trophy to prove? they already ban wolfgong, i think the u should get a good rank since wendy is "one of the strongest character"

Like the friendly tournament made by don Giovanni which a wendy won?

How about improving instead of wanting buffs? The character would feel more powerful if you learn how to take advantage of their power

[AliceMagtron]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

But he already gives up something and it's something massive he takes sanity damage on hit, extra damage from bees, and can't gain sanity from non magical items

thats why he had the only cheap ranged weapon in this game, so u wont easily get hurt. and i think that this part of defect is moderated in skill tree

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

How about improving instead of wanting buffs? The character would feel more powerful if you learn how to take advantage of their power

yes thats why i think wortox should be nerfed, invincible and triple blink could never push u to learn character ability.

8 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Like the friendly tournament made by don Giovanni which a wendy won?

never heard of it, is there any info about if i can find anywhere?

[Dingle]

5 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

im sorry but AoE specialist is always winona, and why u think the only way of AoE specialist is to set up a ghost farm?

Why go Winona anymore for AOE when you can set up ghost farms with Wendy? Its so powerful AND automatic, especially with moonstorms. And here you are, bothering Walter players to nerf the aoe damage they may get.

Why go Wanda if Wendy can do almost as much single target DPS, (120 vs 143)? Wanda has to do it at old age, one hit away from death, while Wendy gets to be protected by a Beefalo with massive health, free regeneration, and now armored saddles.

You are really selfish about your character, I hope you feel at least a little shame about how you are acting.

10 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Like the friendly tournament made by don Giovanni which a wendy won?

How about improving instead of wanting buffs? The character would feel more powerful if you learn how to take advantage of their power

Yeah Wendy is one of the best speedrun characters. Look at Lardees videos for a great example.

I think only Wolfgang beats her, and not by much.

[arubaro]

7 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Why go Winona anymore for AOE when you can set up ghost farms with Wendy? Its so powerful AND automatic, especially with moonstorms. And here you are, bothering Walter players to nerf the aoe damage they may get.

Why go Wanda if Wendy can do almost as much single target DPS, (120 vs 143)? Wanda has to do it at old age, one hit away from death, while Wendy gets to be protected by a Beefalo with massive health, free regeneration, and now armored saddles.

You are really selfish about your character, I hope you feel at least a little shame about how you are acting.

Yeah Wendy is one of the best speedrun characters. Look at Lardees videos for a great example.

I think only Wolfgang beats her, and not by much.

Didn't say she is top neither i think speed running is a good measure to see if a character is powerful or not. Some people act as if wendy was underpowered 

[AliceMagtron]

1 minute ago, Dingle said:

Why go Winona anymore for AOE when you can set up ghost farms with Wendy? Its so powerful AND automatic, especially with moonstorms. And here you are, bothering Walter players to nerf the aoe damage they may get.

because gohst has only 200 hp + its melee and only 15 AoE dmg, so why i choose ghost farm, why when winona build a hound farm we emphasize that there should be 4 catapluts, cause u can 1 shot hound so there is the least risk. catapults obviously works better than gohst farm, then why i need them. besides, "shourd" and dig graves action is damn so disrespectful. i do think if the guy who design this skill wont care someone dig his grave.

8 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Why go Wanda if Wendy can do almost as much single target DPS, (120 vs 143)? Wanda has to do it at old age, one hit away from death, while Wendy gets to be protected by a Beefalo with massive health, free regeneration, and now armored saddles.

i said i do agree that 1.4 atk buff shouldnt be triggerd by beefalo atk, is your eyes only decorations?

[Mysterious box]

5 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

thats why he had the only cheap ranged weapon in this game, so u wont easily get hurt. and i think that this part of defect is moderated in skill tree

Okay but in that case that'd be 4 downsides for 1 ranged weapon where are Wendy's other 3 downsides for the cheapest ranged option?

[Dingle]

4 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

I said i do agree that 1.4 atk buff shouldnt be triggerd by beefalo atk, is your eyes only decorations?

I missed it because of the language barrier, plus I kind of glaze over your posts due to combination of your terrible logic and how often you insult others.

Again, I hope you feel at least a little shame about your behavior in general.

5 minutes ago, arubaro said:

Didn't say she is top neither i think speed running is a good measure to see if a character is powerful or not. Some people act as if wendy was underpowered 

My point is just that it's bizarre that people are trying to say she's weak in other threads.

[AliceMagtron]

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Okay but in that case that'd be 4 downsides for 1 ranged weapon where are Wendy's other 3 downsides for the cheapest ranged option?

what u mentioned is nearly all walters downside, and all those privilege except ranged weapon u never mentioned.

if i can have all these privileges, im willing to take all these downside.

3 minutes ago, Dingle said:

My point is just that it's bizarre that people are trying to say she's weak in other threads.

and my points is just that its bizarre that people are trying to say, especially jeson she is strong. i think shes between wig and wilson level(if dont count skill tree) (slightly strong, if u make wilson as standard)

[Mysterious box]

2 minutes ago, AliceMagtron said:

what u mentioned is nearly all walters downside, and all those privilege except ranged weapon u never mentioned.

if i can have all these privileges, im willing to take all these downside.

Wendy also has more privileges than aoe damage but free fast aoe damage is obviously the most powerful