marshyds Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 The skills powerfulness is debatable, but even if wortox is related to music, he couldve gotten a unique weapon or item to signify that. I don't see why someone would grab this skill over the ones that are actually unique to him. A harp for nice (goodness) A violin for naughty (signifies sorrow) Most of the other skills are fine, but i feel as some could be buffed. (not gonna talk about it for now) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 I would love Wortox to have different instruments based on his moral inclination. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
This14Real Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 I think it’s a nice flair. It makes total sense Wortox having musical affinity him being a faun/satyr and they are always depicted playing some instrument like a flute (panflute), but then oh well, 3 skills just for it is kind of extreme and poorly fleshed out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 1 hour ago, marshyds said: A violin for naughty (signifies sorrow) Golden fiddle. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 1 hour ago, Bumber64 said: Golden fiddle Wortox went down to Georgia. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaik Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 The Wortox flute skills are severely out of place, and just seem vastly inferior to wormwoods sleepshrooms. IMO the flute skills should get completely reworked, and get some kind of new mechanic. The sleep thing already belongs to wormwood Make it a unique craft able item, that maybe entices pigs/merms to be your followers for a set duration. The inability to get followers is a massive weakness for Wortox end game, so the opportunity to get merms/pigs to help out with gathering etc would be S tier. You can make one of the ingredients a later game item so Wortox weakness of not being to interact with followers is still a thing early on I'd say that also adding a skill to make the flute attract butterfly's to Wortox for a duration would be another huge QoL (and help out with soul farming) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxil20 Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, Kwaik said: The Wortox flute skills are severely out of place, Wortox directly admits the pan flute is his (it’s shown in his verdant set, even!), so Wortox having skills befitting to it and being the only non-alignment skills that are “neutral” fit perfectly for him. The only problem is the skills are situational/underpowered (I would personally merge the increased sleep + special no aggro effect into one skill and make the “free” pan flute use permanent when you get it). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaik Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 2 minutes ago, Maxil20 said: Wortox directly admits the pan flute is his (it’s shown in his verdant set, even!), so Wortox having skills befitting to it and being the only non-alignment skills that are “neutral” fit perfectly for him. The only problem is the skills are situational/underpowered (I would personally merge the increased sleep + special no aggro effect into one skill and make the “free” pan flute use permanent when you get it). I think you just make a unique craft able flute for Wortox with unique mechanics. The plan flute is too expensive/situational for 3 talents, and again wormwood has skills that are just vastly superior Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 3 minutes ago, Kwaik said: The plan flute is too expensive/situational for 3 talents, and again wormwood has skills that are just vastly superior I agree but Wormwood also really shouldn't have that effect. it is far too powerful and needs a nerf imo. It's obscene. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwaik Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 5 minutes ago, Evelo said: I agree but Wormwood also really shouldn't have that effect. it is far too powerful and needs a nerf imo. It's obscene. That ships sailed It's in the game and fully established. So adding a much much weaker niche inferior version of the skill to an extremely rare non renewable item is silly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted November 22, 2024 Share Posted November 22, 2024 6 hours ago, Kwaik said: extremely rare non renewable item Technically renewable through Klaus and Winter's Feast. Edit: Also Woby digging perk can yield it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1758685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywanderer Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Pan flute just costs a deconstruction staff use to recharge. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 5 hours ago, Greywanderer said: Pan flute just costs a deconstruction staff use to recharge. As long as you have one to begin with. Not a given in multiplayer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 1 minute ago, Bumber64 said: As long as you have one to begin with. Not a given in multiplayer. it's not that hard to craft a panflute, mandrakes can be found on the ground or klaus. the problem is that having to bring the panflute everywhere to use it, wortox already has an inventory tax coming from souls and soul jars, adding another just feel quite horrible. they should give wortox an inventory slot only for panflute innately or through a skill imo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viblym Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 Hi! In actual gameplay the pan flute skills work wonderfully and feel great to use Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 36 minutes ago, ColdHeaven said: it's not that hard to craft a panflute, mandrakes can be found on the ground or klaus. Klaus can only be fought in winter and isn't guaranteed to drop it. If someone else gets the mandrakes and wastes or logs out with them, your panflute skills may be useless for a year or more. It's possible to solve the issue with an easily-crafted item that only functions with the skill's ability. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 On 11/22/2024 at 10:30 AM, Bumber64 said: Technically renewable through Klaus and Winter's Feast. Edit: Also Woby digging perk can yield it. don't i know it! i never knew you could have too many panflutes until i started sleeping for magnificent ornaments Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty_cookie Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 19 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: It's possible to solve the issue with an easily-crafted item that only functions with the skill's ability. I had a similar idea. Maybe make it use the pan flute recipe but substitute the mandrake with a carrot. It can only be played when you have the free flute play buff. Unlike pan flute you can’t accidentally damage it by misclicking. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 4 minutes ago, salty_cookie said: I had a similar idea. Maybe make it use the pan flute recipe but substitute the mandrake with a carrot. It can only be played when you have the free flute play buff. Unlike pan flute you can’t accidentally damage it by misclicking. i think i like this, panflute allready as is is not that easy to come by, so having it a bit easyer for the character that actualy has skills revolve around it makes sense Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul7k Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 free souls shouldn't be slept on Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 25 minutes ago, Soul7k said: free souls shouldn't be slept on New Wortox craft: Soul bed. Helps Wortox rest comfortably, and he also snacks in his sleep. Doesn't reduce sanity because he doesn't remember doing it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdHeaven Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 55 minutes ago, Soul7k said: free souls shouldn't be slept on is it really free when it cost skill points Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 1 hour ago, Soul7k said: free souls shouldn't be slept on this here is free souls, and it does not cost skill points to do, only boards and other stuff you sould easy be able to get Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow soul 3 Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 I think his neutral skills are very valuable as easy skips. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
This14Real Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 Dude a carrot flute sounds awesome. @salty_cookie Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/160837-the-panflute-skills-are-just-kind-of-bad/#findComment-1783339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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