The panflute skills are just kind of bad?

[Dingle]

I think it's pretty telling that most people just forget about Cloudy existing at first for a moment, when they talk about the pan flute skills.

"The two pan flute perks are fine!"

"What do you mean, there's three?"

[Hollow soul 3]

5 hours ago, cyjs said:

You can use the pan flute and the decomposition staff to get unlimited souls at a negligible cost.

In my opinion this skill is very good and does not need to be changed

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

5 hours ago, cyjs said:

 

 

5 hours ago, cyjs said:

 

 

[Echsrick]

47 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

or you know, you could alsol just do this....again, even more limitless effortless souls, you can litteraly just sit at base and let fish go into the traps doin absolutly nothing

[cyjs]

1 hour ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

Or you can just set up a quick spider/bee farm for limitless effortless souls. 

I prefer to build a dog king factory in the center of the world to serve as a transmission hub,It's actually fully automatic，

[Dingle]

2 minutes ago, cyjs said:

I prefer to build a dog king factory in the center of the world to serve as a transmission hub,It's actually fully automatic，

Can you take a picture of your setup? I'm curious.

I was thinking about this vs shooting fish with a cannon and wickerbottom (in multiplayer). Or wendy grave ghost setup.

[cyjs]

43 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Can you take a picture of your setup? I'm curious.

I was thinking about this vs shooting fish with a cannon and wickerbottom (in multiplayer). Or wendy grave ghost setup.

I don't understand what you mean, What does this have to do with Wendy Ghost?

My Dog King Factory/Soul Factory

 

You can search "森一呐呐" on Bilibili to watch my construction process, and there are many other factories

By the way, the magma pool ember factory can also be used as a soul factory, and it is also fully automatic.

 

[Dingle]

8 minutes ago, cyjs said:

I don't understand what you mean, What does this have to do with Wendy Ghost?

8 minutes ago, cyjs said:

 

You can search "森一呐呐" on Bilibili to watch my construction process, and there are many other factories

 

Thanks, will check this out later!

Oh wait, all the videos are broken for me @cyjs

[cyjs]

4 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Thanks, will check this out later!

This method is too restrictive, it requires a permanent full moon, and the time is limited to the beginning of the day. Secondly, why does Wortox in the video not explode? This should have exceeded the upper limit long ago.

19 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Oh wait, all the videos are broken for me @cyjs

It's a pity, those are the works I'm proud of

[Echsrick]

15 minutes ago, cyjs said:

This method is too restrictive, it requires a permanent full moon, and the time is limited to the beginning of the day. Secondly, why does Wortox in the video not explode? This should have exceeded the upper limit long ago.

 

i get the feeling that you have not played wortox if you wonder why he does not explode

[cyjs]

14 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

i get the feeling that you have not played wortox if you wonder why he does not explode

I have only played the old Wortox. Doesn't a jar only increase the upper limit of 5? Why doesn't 200 souls explode?

I checked the wortox skill tree again and I know the reason. All I can say is that the designers at Wortox are great.

The excellence of Wortox's skill tree once again refreshed my understanding of him.

[Hollow soul 3]

Honestly, any kind of farm will do it. Free souls is just kind of useless when you can have and hold as many souls as you want. In a multiplayer world without the Christmas event, you're not even guaranteed a way to get the flute.

The other farming methods are more efficient, they can be reliably reused, and you get to hold onto your insight for something useful. It just feels like pure noob bate.

[cyjs]

25 minutes ago, Hollow soul 3 said:

Honestly, any kind of farm will do it. Free souls is just kind of useless when you can have and hold as many souls as you want. In a multiplayer world without the Christmas event, you're not even guaranteed a way to get the flute.

The other farming methods are more efficient, they can be reliably reused, and you get to hold onto your insight for something useful. It just feels like pure noob bate.

My exploration of the wortox skill tree was to find and obtain the pan flute at the beginning of the game. This is equivalent to me getting 60+ soul reserves without needing a soul tank storage tank. These souls allow me to quickly reach and clear ruins, and with the Staff of Disintegration, these souls can be generated infinitely from the start without the need to build additional factories. Why isn't this a good approach? I don't think the Staff of Decomposition is a very valuable item. For experienced players, it's too easy to get.

[Dingle]

46 minutes ago, cyjs said:

This method is too restrictive, it requires a permanent full moon, and the time is limited to the beginning of the day. Secondly, why does Wortox in the video not explode? This should have exceeded the upper limit long ago.

Others answered the second question. It's interesting because eventually I just have moonstorms on forever, meaning permanent full moons.

46 minutes ago, cyjs said:

It's a pity, those are the works I'm proud of

I'll try seeing it on billibilli later! I have issues with that site, though.

[cyjs]

2 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Others answered the second question. 

I was once again surprised by the excellence of Wortox's skill tree, he gave me too many surprises

[Echsrick]

3 minutes ago, cyjs said:

I was once again surprised by the excellence of Wortox's skill tree, he gave me too many surprises

oh wortox skill tree does have his own share of problems, knapsack is very.....not good at all, then theres a skill that for some reasons makes other skills stronger from way differend branches wich is just wrong, the cloudy what ever panflute, then of course we cannot ignore the fact wortox gets DOWNSIDES if he goes too much into one side, the only skill tree so far that does that, so i would not realy say he has that excellence of a skill tree with some flaws in his skill tree

[cyjs]

33 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

oh wortox skill tree does have his own share of problems, knapsack is very.....not good at all, then theres a skill that for some reasons makes other skills stronger from way differend branches wich is just wrong, the cloudy what ever panflute, then of course we cannot ignore the fact wortox gets DOWNSIDES if he goes too much into one side, the only skill tree so far that does that, so i would not realy say he has that excellence of a skill tree with some flaws in his skill tree

He's so good that he needs to be limited a little bit, which feels right to me, but I support making him better and we still have a lot of time. Even so, there is really no need to modify the pan flute column, because it may be indispensable for players who want to pass the level quickly.

Someone quickly cleared the game in 16 days with only seven skill points of Wortox,

Three of the skill points are for panpipes.

 

You can watch this video by searching "Fehalro" on Bilibili. This map is completely random.

[Dingle]

2 hours ago, cyjs said:

I don't understand what you mean, What does this have to do with Wendy Ghost?

My Dog King Factory/Soul Factory

 

You can search "森一呐呐" on Bilibili to watch my construction process, and there are many other factories

By the way, the magma pool ember factory can also be used as a soul factory, and it is also fully automatic.

 

For whatever reason, I could not find your varg factory. Is it much different than standard?

The spider magma pool setup is really interesting! Seems very attainable, too. Just need to have a teammate switch to Webber, really. Seems much faster to set up than the wendy gravestone trick I posted, or even faster than a big varg farm.

I'll probably try a mix of this in my next big world, and the usual "have wickerbottom summon fish in a tiny area and blast it with 2 cannonballs" farm.

42 minutes ago, cyjs said:

He's so good that he needs to be limited a little bit, which feels right to me, but I support making him better and we still have a lot of time. Even so, there is really no need to modify the pan flute column, because it may be indispensable for players who want to pass the level quickly.

Someone quickly cleared the game in 16 days with only seven skill points of Wortox,

Three of the skill points are for panpipes.

 

You can watch this video by searching "Fehalro" on Bilibili. This map is completely random.

I remember seeing this one, he had absurd ocean luck, which is the real trick to Pearl speedruns haha.

I don't remember clearly: Did he get any use whatsoever out of Cloudy Carmine, at all? The Neutral top left perk is good for extreme speedrunning, or even just early game. But I already made the joke that everyone seem to forget the Neutral top right perk, Cloudy Carmine, even exists.

[Hollow soul 3]

2 hours ago, cyjs said:

My exploration of the wortox skill tree was to find and obtain the pan flute at the beginning of the game. This is equivalent to me getting 60+ soul reserves without needing a soul tank storage tank. These souls allow me to quickly reach and clear ruins, and with the Staff of Disintegration, these souls can be generated infinitely from the start without the need to build additional factories. Why isn't this a good approach? I don't think the Staff of Decomposition is a very valuable item. For experienced players, it's too easy to get.

Or just rush a soul jar and find the bees. 60 souls isn't really an impressive number, even early. If you find bees or a thick spider den, you already have unlimited souls. If you hold onto 20, you can teleport to their spawners at any time.

If you're not a speed runner, it doesn't take long to teleport to your farms from anywhere. Why waste an insight point on something so easy to get?

Again, if you're new to the player and think grabbing souls is hard, it might sound good. I think some of us are maybe just good enough at combat to know killing bugs isn't hard or slow.

[Koomin]

4 hours ago, cyjs said:

My exploration of the wortox skill tree was to find and obtain the pan flute at the beginning of the game. This is equivalent to me getting 60+ soul reserves without needing a soul tank storage tank. These souls allow me to quickly reach and clear ruins, and with the Staff of Disintegration, these souls can be generated infinitely from the start without the need to build additional factories. Why isn't this a good approach? I don't think the Staff of Decomposition is a very valuable item. For experienced players, it's too easy to get.

I'd recommend actually trying the skill tree in game before stating whether it, or even parts of it, are excellent (since you stated that you have not in this thread).  This might help explain some things, like why using a deconstruction staff for pan flute souls is not a great idea. 

A lot of the feedback on multiple characters seems to be a bit misinformed due to people not having actually played the beta or tried out the skills themselves, and instead just watched a speed runner video like the one linked above.

[marshyds]

7 hours ago, Koomin said:

This might help explain some things, like why using a deconstruction staff for pan flute souls is not a great idea. 

are deconstruction staves really that valuable? i'd say that with the new gem trees they're basically freebies in a mega base.

though i do get why deconstructing panflutes might not be the most desireable earlygame.

[Edible Coal]

6 hours ago, marshyds said:

 

though i do get why deconstructing panflutes might not be the most desireable earlygame.

what else would u use decon staff on?

[Dingle]

7 hours ago, marshyds said:

are deconstruction staves really that valuable? i'd say that with the new gem trees they're basically freebies in a mega base.

though i do get why deconstructing panflutes might not be the most desireable earlygame.

Everything is a freebie in a megabase, haha.

15 minutes ago, Edible Coal said:

what else would u use decon staff on?

They're considered extremely valuable for duping rare resources. Dreadstone, pure horror, tatters, thulecite, brightshade material, etc.

There's a lot of other uses, but the above is a big eater of green gems.

Or of course, using the green gems to make construction amulets. I can explain these too, if you really have no idea on why green gems are considered valuable.