Please Let Knabsack Be Usable By Others

[Radicaljoe]

14 hours ago, Well-met said:

if it has no value or purpose then why bother sharing it?

I want to put them in the farm area so people can quickly pick up the food and seeds. It's not gonna be a useful weapon without souls, it just helps picking things up, qol for people.

12 hours ago, YXukun said:

I dont think skilltree items are designed to be used by people other than the original character…

Everyone can use Woodie's helmet and cane, people can use the commander helm and the spark spear(level 1, not charged with storm), people can tweet Wolf's whistle (for fun, no effect happens). Of course, not every item is sharable, but even within Wortox's own tree he has a shareable item, the soul heart thingy for teleporting to the Wortox that crafted it.

[Jazzuo]

On 11/22/2024 at 4:25 AM, Wormboi said:

Dawg, I dont think people are gonna switch to wortox and grafter 200 souls just to do darksword damage

it's 100 tho, and also yeah, the knabsack is kinda good for that purpose, like to make more dark swords you need living logs and nightmare fuel which unless you play wormwood is lame to pick living woods, either way if you need to spawn a treeguard or you go to the lunar grotto even tho the fight is not hard, is extremely slow and boring, besides every knabsack you make is having 2 dark swords only because of the durability, so you're making a cheaper dark sword that last the double, it's not that hard to see people want to have that tbh

[Dingle]

31 minutes ago, Jazzuo said:

it's 100 tho, and also yeah, the knabsack is kinda good for that purpose, like to make more dark swords you need living logs and nightmare fuel which unless you play wormwood is lame to pick living woods, either way if you need to spawn a treeguard or you go to the lunar grotto even tho the fight is not hard, is extremely slow and boring, besides every knabsack you make is having 2 dark swords only because of the durability, so you're making a cheaper dark sword that last the double, it's not that hard to see people want to have that tbh

Others wouldn't be able to do this, anyway. Knabsack damage is tied to a perk that's a couple points above the knabsack itself. And then the damage is further based on how many souls you're carrying.

Anyone but Wortox would be doing spear damage with it, tops.

[Radicaljoe]

Wanted to bump this up again because I still hope it can be a sharable tool. 

[viblym]

On 11/22/2024 at 2:22 AM, loopuleasa said:

Let's not make more switch characters.

Wortox is good enough on his own for one item to not instantly make him a swap character, if you actually examine why other swap characters exist with characters like Winona and Warly you'll see that they are item oriented with no character-based incentives. If the knabsack is  not remarkable enough to warrant playing as Wortox just to utilize it, then it's not going to turn him into a swap character. There are a million other reasons to play and stay as Wortox that aren't just one mediocre collection item.

[kroban]

On 11/22/2024 at 9:40 AM, Edible Coal said:

why are people so against with character sharing items like this lol

What would be the point of playing a character if you can just use that exact same tool, even if nerfed, with any other character? I like some things being shareable, like Walter's tent, but if his slingshot became shareable that would ******* destroy him as a character.

This exact same thing happened to Wicker, the moment Maxwell became able to read her books everyone started using Wicker as a swap character only to transition to Maxwell + books. Why would you stick to Wicker if you can just spam books, store them infinitely on bookshelves, and change to Maxwell whom has an entire extra kit that even synergizes way better with the books?

[Edible Coal]

4 hours ago, kroban said:

What would be the point of playing a character if you can just use that exact same tool, even if nerfed, with any other character? I like some things being shareable, like Walter's tent, but if his slingshot became shareable that would ******* destroy him as a character.

ur right , because slingshot is walter big identity trait

 

4 hours ago, kroban said:

This exact same thing happened to Wicker, the moment Maxwell became able to read her books everyone started using Wicker as a swap character only to transition to Maxwell + books. Why would you stick to Wicker if you can just spam books, store them infinitely on bookshelves, and change to Maxwell whom has an entire extra kit that even synergizes way better with the books?

This is a unfortunate issue because wicker main trait is about her books, but is really hard to remove this feature consider how usefull it is to the whole team in general


also im pretty sure nabsack is mainly use as a damage weapon ( which require soul jars, i dont think others can hold them )
allowing others to use it as a collecting tool isnt a big deal to wortox identity

[OMEGASCRUFF]

4 hours ago, kroban said:

What would be the point of playing a character if you can just use that exact same tool, even if nerfed, with any other character? I like some things being shareable, like Walter's tent, but if his slingshot became shareable that would ******* destroy him as a character.

This exact same thing happened to Wicker, the moment Maxwell became able to read her books everyone started using Wicker as a swap character only to transition to Maxwell + books. Why would you stick to Wicker if you can just spam books, store them infinitely on bookshelves, and change to Maxwell whom has an entire extra kit that even synergizes way better with the books?

While I agree with you in concept, that we should be careful about these things, and that your examples are all true, I don't think the Nabsack currently offers enough to be worthy of character swapping and crafting in bulk.

This would perhaps be different if it didn't break after like four stacks of kelp and actually had a more usable range, but at the moment, the item grabbing feature of this tool is so bad that this would be an odd choice for a character swap. For most farms, I'd rather just set up a Winbot as a permanent solution. Funny how this character swap is outclassed by a different character swap...

Either way, it's just an item grabber, and we have other options for that already. I don't think it would be a big deal if other players could use it too, nor does it tread on my ability to uniquely contribute to my team as a Wortox main. If you look at it a different way, the ability to regularly supply Nabsacks for the base's farms would actually add to my ability to contribute to my group, instead of forcing me to do something as unimportant as harvest the kelp, myself. This would be a bigger deal if the Nabsack were significantly better, though, so I want to wait to see what changes are made in the next update before saying for sure that this would be fine. Klei is surely aware that people don't like the Nabsack, but at the moment, this would be totally fine.

I want infinite durability on it personally for item grabbing (not weapon durability, obviously.) If that happened, yeah, you could swap for this tool. But even if people did so, Wortox offers so much more to a group besides this that it wouldn't bother me at all the same way as, say, Maxwell vs. Wicker, or Winona's structures. Like, I've never seen a Wormwood player complain about being a swap for Moon Shrooms, Fleshy Bulbs, and especially Bramble Armors, even though they're totally worthwhile if you want these things.

[ApoIIo]

no.

[Steorra]

No idea why this was bumped into top, but no.

1. Wortox tree is generally good enough now 

2. I agree that knabsack still have space for improvement, but it should not like this. It's obviously a special item for Wortox theirselves but not for other survivors.

3. If there are two options like - 1. To make knabsack better for Wortox, 2. To make knabsack useable for others, I prefer the 1st.

And you can't make both of them become true, or knapsack would be another items which only served as "switch able" playstyle. That is unhealthy.

[Echsrick]

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

No idea why this was bumped into top, but no.

1. Wortox tree is generally good enough now 

2. I agree that knabsack still have space for improvement, but it should not like this. It's obviously a special item for Wortox theirselves but not for other survivors.

3. If there are two options like - 1. To make knabsack better for Wortox, 2. To make knabsack useable for others, I prefer the 1st.

And you can't make both of them become true, or knapsack would be another items which only served as "switch able" playstyle. That is unhealthy.

why it got bumped? because knapsack is still bad

1. exchept there still very big flaws with it, not just knapsack, but for example a skill in 1 branch some reason makin a differend skill in a differend branch stronger wich is just nonsense
2. you just said is good enought now but then agree that knapsack needs improvements? thats kind of not makin sense of you
3. trust me, wortox knabsack will not become a reason of wortox becoming a swap character of any sort if knapsack becomes possible to be used by others, its function can be easy replaced by....well just pickin things up realy

 

[Steorra]

8 hours ago, Echsrick said:

2. you just said is good enought now but then agree that knapsack needs improvements? thats kind of not makin sense of you

It have no sense to join a discussion with a guy who doesn't even know what difference between "generally good enough" and "perfect".

If you think this make no sense of me you could add me into ignoring list, don't waste your time.

[Echsrick]

6 hours ago, Steorra said:

It have no sense to join a discussion with a guy who doesn't even know what difference between "generally good enough" and "perfect".

If you think this make no sense of me you could add me into ignoring list, don't waste your time.

you are kind of dismissive dont you? thats not realy nice of you

[ImDaMisterL]

Hey everyone, remember to follow our Community Guidelines. Please keep things civil and don't make personal remarks, as that risks derailing the thread and causing more arguments.

Thank you for understanding.

[Steorra]

13 hours ago, ImDaMisterL said:

Hey everyone, remember to follow our Community Guidelines. Please keep things civil and don't make personal remarks, as that risks derailing the thread and causing more arguments.

Thank you for understanding.

Hmm, if this warning is for me, I'm sorry.

But I've just used a same logic as "if you don't like it, just don't use it".

"If you don't like it, just turn it off"

"If you don't like it, just go to play other games"

"If you don't like someone's feed back, just adding them into your ignoring-list"

I personally think they are all same for some particular aspect, which is just "if you don't like it you can give up your rights and simply quit"

I mean, if our mods think the quote like "If you don't like me, you could just add me into your ignoring-list" is unsuitable and goes a bit far from our community guidelines, could we give same limit or warning when other quotes happened?

I've already seen to many "you should adapt to the game but not crying (giving feedback), if you don't like this you could just go play other games but not DST" during this beta branch. And it seems most of these quotes was "fine" for community guidelines. I personally think this is not good for feedback collecting, I guess.

 

 

At the end, I do sorry for being a part of the potential problem (if it is). I'd stopping to copy other toxic attitude what I've seen here, but I do hope we could stop the "just don't use it" game of this beta branch (or it already spreaded into other areas maybe)

[EctoPlaza]

13 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Hmm, if this warning is for me, I'm sorry.

But I've just used a same logic as "if you don't like it, just don't use it".

"If you don't like it, just turn it off"

"If you don't like it, just go to play other games"

"If you don't like someone's feed back, just adding them into your ignoring-list"

I personally think they are all same for some particular aspect, which is just "if you don't like it you can give up your rights and simply quit"

I mean, if our mods think the quote like "If you don't like me, you could just add me into your ignoring-list" is unsuitable and goes a bit far from our community guidelines, could we give same limit or warning when other quotes happened?

I've already seen to many "you should adapt to the game but not crying (giving feedback), if you don't like this you could just go play other games but not DST" during this beta branch. And it seems most of these quotes was "fine" for community guidelines. I personally think this is not good for feedback collecting, I guess.

 

 

At the end, I do sorry for being a part of the potential problem (if it is). I'd stopping to copy other toxic attitude what I've seen here, but I do hope we could stop the "just don't use it" game of this beta branch (or it already spreaded into other areas maybe)

There's no point in responding to someone who's job is to simply enforce the guidelines; they're not going to respond back to you. 

I'm assuming you already have a few people in your ignore list; I'm just reminding you to keep adding more people instead of stooping to their level.