Wickerbottom Skilltree idea

[yuncito]

Just wanted to repost it in here cuz I liked it, what do you think?

 

Bookcase:

1st column:

- level 1: increase speed of book recovery while on the bookcase a little

- level 2: increase speed of book recovery while on the bookcase faster than level 1

- level 3: increase speed of book recovery while on the bookcase faster than level 2

 

2nd column:

- level 1: increases uses of books (3->5 , 5->7 , 7->10)

- level 2: decreases cost of sanity per reading ( 50->33 , 33->15 , 15->7)

- level 3: Portable bookcase: Carry up to 4 books in this little bookcase with you, it has the same recovery effect from a normal bookcase

 

- Poetry Book: (Unlocks after spending 3 points on any bookcase skill) : Helps wicker restore sanity by reading it at night

 

Books:

So here we have 4 lines of bookcase, you have to choose from each level at least 3 points after moving to the next level

First level:

- Improve Birds of the world: More uses (5), less sanity cost (-33), more bird species

- Improve Horticulture (and expanded):  More uses (7), less sanity cost (-15), increase range and happines of plants (more prob of giant crops)

- Improve silviculture: More uses (7), less sanity cost (-15), increase range and qty of affected plants

- Improve angler's survival guide: More uses (5), less sanity cost (-15), more fish species

- Improve everything encyclopedia: More uses(5), less sanity cost (-15), increase range and qty of affected plants

 

2nd level: (needs 3 skill points on 1st level)

- Improve sleepytime stories: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), drops 1 nightmare fuel per mob succesfully asleeped

- Improve pyrokinetics: More uses(5), less sanity cost (-15), no longer extinguish campfires, creates fire inmunity on caster for a short time when used

- Improve tempering temperatures: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), sets 35 degrees for 4 minutes on caster

- Improve Lux aeterna (and redux): More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), create warm light resisting to winter

- Improve arachnophobia: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), initially fully immobilizes mobs for 5 seconds, then last 2 min as usual

 

3rd level:  (needs 3 skill points on 2nd level)

- Improve on tentacles: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-33) increase number of tentacles up to 4 & creates inmmunity to tentacles damage for 30 sec

- Improve the end is nigh: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), focus where the lightning strikes on a designated area

- Improve apicultural notes:  More uses(5), less sanity cost (-15), increase dmge of bees

- improve practical rain rituals: More uses(7), less sanity cost (-15), inmmunity to wetness for 4 min, now lunar hail can be controlled too

- improve Lunar grimoire: More uses(5), less sanity cost (-33), now it also has the option to exchange the lunar enviroment with normal land (idk)

 

4th level (new books!):  (needs 3 skill points on 3rd level)

- Ore mining: (5 uses/-15 sanity) explodes surronding ores (rock, gold, crystals, caves rocks, ocean rocks, salt rock) and increases the chances of getting additional & rare resources from them

- Kingdom animalia: (5 uses/-15 sanity) Makes the user available to gather items from mobs (no bosses) without being attacked for 4 min (beefalo horn, hair, hound's tooth, milk & horn from goats, spider silk...)

- Ancient Lore:(5 uses/-33 sanity) Makes user available to craft items from 1 level ancient tab (pseudoscience station) for 4 min.

- expertise of crafting: (5 uses/-33 sanity) reduces ALL crafting materials needed by 1 (unless is already 1) for 4 min.

- Joy of meteorites: (5 uses/-33 sanity) summon 4 meteorites to selected area 

 

Alignment:

-Shadow Book: (5 uses/-33 sanity): Commands near shadow creatures to attk

- Lunar Book:(5 uses/-33 sanity): Summons Lunar mob helping u attk

 

Final notes:

This seems broken... or maybe not XD, Klei if u read this, u can use whatever u want <3

[ShadowDuelist]

These are some really good ideas! They tackle most of the current problems with Wickerbottom.

A few additional ideas:

• Spoiler

  • I think the end is nigh should stun for a few seconds all mobs hit, not allowing them to move or do anything (except bosses). Also all mobs that are WET should get bonus damage (this includes bosses). This book doesn't work in caves, is very situational, kills friendly players, and overall it's pretty bad. Adding crowd control could help, maybe.
  • Lunar affinity book could enchant summoned mobs around the caster, to deal a bit of lunar planar against the corresponding aligned enemies. This would allow you to further boost your grumble bees or tentacles. Lunar affinity book could turn her sanity into lunacy for a duration, and give her some sanity regen.
  • Shadow Affinity book could send all the nightmare creatures around to attack Wicker's enemies. It would basically act like a super attack, they can maybe cap the max damage you can deal with this, and maybe add a cooldown.
  • Most of these boosts shouldn't be obtainable by Maxwell.
  • The poetry book could not have any durability and instead have a cooldown, but be readable at any point of the day. This could maybe keep her standing still reading while she recovers sanity -like a "sleep" mechanic but only for sanity- and limited by (reasonable) cooldowns. Basically make her a bit more like how mages work in other games, being slow and vulnerable in-between powerful spellcasting, but still viable.
  • High sanity Wicker could have more powerful spellcasting, very low sanity usage on all magic, and maybe some extra resistance to some magic damage. Low sanity Wicker already summons a lot of nightmares when she uses spells.
  • The portable library could maybe allow for a wheel UI (Like the codex, or Willow's embers) that let's you cast one of the 4 books inside directly from it. Casting this way could maybe reduce casting time by half. Only one of these portable things should be allowed for her at any given time, I think.

   

[loopuleasa]

Book specialization on the tree is an interesting perspective, but I fear you might run out of slots and it will not be future proof with more books added by Klei or mods

[ZeRoboButler]

Is it weird to want more literature adjacent stuff (not quite directly books) for wickerbottom? I do hope she has more witty or clever items similar to how she got that fire-starting quill, admittedly that wasn't an amazing item for her overall as the value of setting things ablaze from a distances is limited, but the basic idea is there. 

But... more books are cool too I suppose, but man now that I think about it... what else could you give wicker? With most of her gameplay being so book centric and the power those books have, what does a person give her? I suppose one could try to focus on the occult side of things for her, since she seemed like she had quite a collection back in the library.

ooh, I would love a book that is like a partal reference to darkest dungeon, although that ends up sounding like a upgraded version of on tentacles lol. "The cult of the red hook" could be a funny name for it, with a red tentacle on the front. 

[GimplyGoose]

I do think that Wickerbottom could benefit from a spell wheel like how it works for Maxwell, Willow, or Winona. Maybe it could be limited to her sulf-published books? Currently when Wickerbottom's reads her books it just affects the area around her. If she had a way to target the effects of some of her books, it would be neat. Maybe some books have an alternate effect when targeted? Silviculture could grow some temporary tree roots out of the ground that behave like walls in a targeted area for example.

[yuncito]

23 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

These are some really good ideas! They tackle most of the current problems with Wickerbottom.

A few additional ideas:

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  • I think the end is nigh should stun for a few seconds all mobs hit, not allowing them to move or do anything (except bosses). Also all mobs that are WET should get bonus damage (this includes bosses). This book doesn't work in caves, is very situational, kills friendly players, and overall it's pretty bad. Adding crowd control could help, maybe.
  • Lunar affinity book could enchant summoned mobs around the caster, to deal a bit of lunar planar against the corresponding aligned enemies. This would allow you to further boost your grumble bees or tentacles. Lunar affinity book could turn her sanity into lunacy for a duration, and give her some sanity regen.
  • Shadow Affinity book could send all the nightmare creatures around to attack Wicker's enemies. It would basically act like a super attack, they can maybe cap the max damage you can deal with this, and maybe add a cooldown.
  • Most of these boosts shouldn't be obtainable by Maxwell.
  • The poetry book could not have any durability and instead have a cooldown, but be readable at any point of the day. This could maybe keep her standing still reading while she recovers sanity -like a "sleep" mechanic but only for sanity- and limited by (reasonable) cooldowns. Basically make her a bit more like how mages work in other games, being slow and vulnerable in-between powerful spellcasting, but still viable.
  • High sanity Wicker could have more powerful spellcasting, very low sanity usage on all magic, and maybe some extra resistance to some magic damage. Low sanity Wicker already summons a lot of nightmares when she uses spells.
  • The portable library could maybe allow for a wheel UI (Like the codex, or Willow's embers) that let's you cast one of the 4 books inside directly from it. Casting this way could maybe reduce casting time by half. Only one of these portable things should be allowed for her at any given time, I think.

   

omg I just love all of these ideas

And I just realized that wicker IS a wizard, and the sanity is like her mana pool... I mean sounds kind of obvious now writing  this, but it just made click now that u just say it XD.

so Yeah the idea of the skilltree will be making her cast spells more often, have more spells, and more ways of recovering that "mana" pool.

Now which books would I be choosing, not sure, but i think i'll go with the mining ore & meteorite thing at least, so it will be a way (or another way) of making stones, golds and other minerals renewable.

8 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

Is it weird to want more literature adjacent stuff (not quite directly books) for wickerbottom? I do hope she has more witty or clever items similar to how she got that fire-starting quill, admittedly that wasn't an amazing item for her overall as the value of setting things ablaze from a distances is limited, but the basic idea is there. 

But... more books are cool too I suppose, but man now that I think about it... what else could you give wicker? With most of her gameplay being so book centric and the power those books have, what does a person give her? I suppose one could try to focus on the occult side of things for her, since she seemed like she had quite a collection back in the library.

ooh, I would love a book that is like a partal reference to darkest dungeon, although that ends up sounding like a upgraded version of on tentacles lol. "The cult of the red hook" could be a funny name for it, with a red tentacle on the front. 

yeah she is a little complicated, but looking at the other skill trees, you see for instance wigfrid, they just give her a total new branch with the riding beefalo thing.... so they could just give wicker something kind of random, but related to.... libraries.... which again can only think of books xD... glasses??? dunnoo but more books sounds great to me.