Theory: The Sun

[Waoling]

I think the Sun will be a very important player in the lore soon, think about it, what does Shadow and Lunar have in common? That right the Sun, the glow from the Moon can't be possible without the Sun but the Sun also blind the Moon (Hamlet Aporkalypse)The Shado can't exist without the Sun, but it's also destroy by the Sun. 

[Gameplayer143]

I can imagine it now the solar storm counterpart of lunar storms, except it's just heatwaves that make it hotter and solar flares damaging electronics (WX-78, Wiona's gadgets, iceboxes, flingomatics, etc)

[marshyds]

what if the sun is called constant, compared to the ever changing cycles of the moon "alter"

[Waoling]

5 minutes ago, marshyds said:

what if the sun is called constant, compared to the ever changing cycles of the moon "alter"

That would make be perfect, since there hasn't been any change to the Sun since the game release.

The Sun also pervent Charlie from attacking you.

[NPCMaxwell]

That would also explain the weird name of the world (I can't stand the name constant. Just saying.) I'd rather have "the sun" have that name.

[DaZoul]

I always assumed that the world, the Constant is the actual shadow counterpart to Alter. Based on the name, and also the fact that all these shadowy things, the Shadow Rifts, the Dreadstone Outcrops, the shadow Fissures they all come from deep below the earth. The theory does of course have its holes or questions, mainly why is the eye of this God in the Ancient Gateway, but perhaps time will tell.

As for the Sun, in contrast to the Moon, it never had any magical properties, I really don't see any evidence pointing toward it being anything more than just a star.

[Frosty_Mentos]

I feel like the sun itself is just The Sun. Like a star, nothing more than that. Theory lies that it's a giant yellow gem thats burning on infinitely due to sheer size and power it may emit, but it has zero to no relevance but just a thing that shadows hate either in the Constant or survivor's OG world. It can just be a large ball of gas and other elements but we likely will never get to it even if it may be a giant cosmic entity due to that it is both volatile and probably blinds itself.

Moon phases for all we know could happen less cause of Constant's or whatever the world we survive in name's, be it call the Constant's Earth and that simply that when the moon is waning it might show the scar that is inflicted on it after enlightened and nightmare war, leaving but a huge blot of darkness.

The moon itself might be rotating to show all of it's surface, but really unsure at this point.

Does that mean the Constant's Earth may be the second eyeball that we survive on belonging to the unnamed nightmare god entity? Or that the Earth only became corrupt and a gateway for it to pass through, for that nightmare is moon's counter part from another world that noone can reach?

Let's not forget this gateway opens up ways to other worlds, be it forge gorge or who knows where - heck, it's power might have been drawn for us to reach Hamlet and Shipwrecked. Imagine it sending someone to the sun lmao.

What am I rambling? I dunno, funny ideas and I lost the plot at this point.

But I have a funny idea that maybe Hamlet and shipwrecked in DS/T are like pieces of a broken mirror that we call Constant, we get to certain locations where reality is split between different versions of the world and we just kinda end up in those. Go up the sky and you'll be in hamlet, go somewhere into the deep and far sea and it'll be shipwrecked, go below you might not be able to go that deep there as nightmares have taken over what's below to take refuge from the Sun and the Alter.

It could also be a thing that Alter was the first creator of that world. He made the sun and let the world have light - life grew, mutated, evolved etc. If it's true that the Sun is made by alter then hope Klei would varify whatever it is someday cause it's interesting to know more of Constant's mythology.

[marshyds]

33 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

feel like the sun itself is just The Sun. Like a star, nothing more than that. Theory lies that it's a giant yellow gem thats burning on infinitely due to sheer size and power it may emit, but it has zero to no relevance but just a thing that shadows hate either in the Constant or survivor's OG world. It can just be a large ball of gas and other elements but we likely will never get to it even if it may be a giant cosmic entity due to that it is both volatile and probably blinds itself.

goofy idea: in the future we will be able to use the deconstruction staff to destroy the yellow gem sun, creating a counterpart to moonstorms in the form of permanenent darkness (in exchange for some kind of power.)

[Waoling]

42 minutes ago, DaZoul said:

As for the Sun, in contrast to the Moon, it never had any magical properties, I really don't see any evidence pointing toward it being anything more than just a star.

We also don't see any evidence that it can't be anything more than a star, the Moon before DST also never have any hint of being anything more than the Moon.

36 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

It could also be a thing that Alter was the first creator of that world. He made the sun and let the world have light - life grew, mutated, evolved etc. If it's true that the Sun is made by alter then hope Klei would varify whatever it is someday cause it's interesting to know more of Constant's mythology.

Why would the Sun be made by the Moon? Also why would the Moon create a thing that can blind them? The Sun come first, then The Land, then The Moon, and then The Shadow.

[DaZoul]

16 minutes ago, Waoling said:

We also don't see any evidence that it can't be anything more than a star, the Moon before DST also never have any hint of being anything more than the Moon.

The Sun does nothing. The Moon always turned pigs into werepigs, Woodie into his wereshit, activated the Moon Stone, called Glommer, woke up the pig heads and so on and so forth. The Sun doesn't do anything of the sort.

[Frosty_Mentos]

19 minutes ago, Waoling said:

Why would the Sun be made by the Moon? Also why would the Moon create a thing that can blind them? The Sun come first, then The Land, then The Moon, and then The Shadow.

Why would we be able to time travel? Why would logs scream? Why is there no death in the Constant? I dunno man, cosmic entities don't exactly have sense or explanation besides that they exist and whatever rules they follow clearly that the moon has the power over the stars and likely the sun, considering that the moon itself radiates light in it's own existing phases (look at moon island for reference, since the whole constant doesn't light up unlike Alter) also that the sun exists even during moon storms, infinite moon light and sunlights enveloping the surface.

So logic me this, since I'm trying to use imagination to recreate or make sense of Constant's nonsense -w-

[Waoling]

11 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

also that the sun exists even during moon storms, infinite moon light and sunlights enveloping the surface.

What does that have to do with the Sun being created by the Moon? The Sun would still exist even if there was a moon storm going on.

12 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

that the moon has the power over the stars and likely the sun, considering that the moon itself radiates light in it's own existing phases

That doesn't mean the Moon have the power over the Sun, it just mean it radiate it own light, which could have been the Sun light that been trap inside of the Moon.

[Frosty_Mentos]

15 minutes ago, Waoling said:

What does that have to do with the Sun being created by the Moon? The Sun would still exist even if there was a moon storm going on.

That doesn't mean the Moon have the power over the Sun, it just mean it radiate it own light, which could have been the Sun light that been trap inside of the Moon.

I mean if you're not following what I'm saying I doubt I can explain anything more there. I've given statements to that the moon doesn't reflect the sun and it emitting it's own light, it could be that the moon is much bigger than we know in general and the sun is actually smaller yet intense enough.

Think of this, if Alter is a cosmic deity of sorts why wouldn't he create a sun or stars even? He's observing this little land we play on, influencing it even. We lack any evidence if there's much going in space in general, as this world makes no actual sense to normal logic and reasoning.

[Uedo]

I think even pre-altar lore the moon has always given off it's OWN generated energy - Moonstone event etc. 

I think it's more that everyone assumed it was a moon, just like in the world the survivors are from - but clearly it was never a moon, I feel the word Lunar has been used as it's a word to describe something that is in reference to THE Moon (The one that orbits our planet) and the reference we're talking about here is its initial appearance of it looking pretty similar to the Moon. (I've said moon a lot - TLDR; The word Lunar specifically relates to our moon above earth, it's clear the DST moon was initially supposed to just be assumed to be a regular moon with odd effects under the full moon - not unlike urban legends and fictional stories we have about our own full moons). It was a good idea when fleshing out the 'Lunar' branch of gameplay by naming the antithesis to Insanity, Lunacy. It's a funny pun and is a coy reference to it being related to the moon.

I think it's comparable to how we assume the abyss in the caves is just an absence of land, like an actual abyss. I think eventually we'll come to discover that it too is an entity. 

'He who fights with monsters should be careful lest he thereby becomes a monster. And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee'