All this time later, I still want the Battle Saddle to be buffed

[NotGabriel]

I know literally no one cares, but I do. I am a diehard beefalo fan. When I saw that the Battle Saddle was being made I was ecstatic, but as the capstone skill for the beefalo tree it is probably the worst. The armor value is nice, but not enough for me to want to use it over the extra damage or speed of the other saddles.

I want to propose a special stat for this saddle, knockback immunity.

Currently, many of the new mobs and bosses that have been added come with a knockback mechanic, which can and will slap you off of your saddle and aggro the beefalo to the boss, sealing its fate. I am aware that the Battle Saddle and War Saddle let you mount an aggro’d beefalo, but it would still take a substantial amount of extra damage from this, assuming you can even remount. If you have an Ornery Beefalo they could run out of obedience and won’t let you feed them to saddle up in combat. I think having an option to make the fights doable, if a bit impractical, would be really nice. I’m sure it would never happen but it would be nice to make an all boss beefalo run possible lol

[Evelo]

I am a diehard beefalo hater.
But I want people to have fun too. So yknow, if it makes you happy, it'd be cool to add.

[Cheggf]

You should just be immune to knockback if you're wearing something heavy like marble armor. It shouldn't be an exclusive Wigfrid thing.

[benfroyobro9381]

I think knockback resistance and some other mechanic to compensate. Beefalo's just aren't meant to tank since 1000 health is deceptively low for some boss fights since getting off to heal them is a death sentence for the beefalo. Maybe some guard regain mechanic like Lies of P or Bloodbourne? Could encourage aggressive play and would make the saddle more unique. Just spitballing. 

[NotGabriel]

27 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

You should just be immune to knockback if you're wearing something heavy like marble armor. It shouldn't be an exclusive Wigfrid thing.

Totally agree, but to be fair this wouldn’t be a Wigfrid exclusive thing, anybody can craft the saddle and switch off. 
 

Speaking of Knockback Mechanics, does Marble Armor currently reduce knockback from being knocked off your beefalo? I know the resistance makes “big knockback” into “small knockback” which still will dismount you, but does *that* effect even apply on a beefalo? I need to test this soon

23 minutes ago, benfroyobro9381 said:

I think knockback resistance and some other mechanic to compensate. Beefalo's just aren't meant to tank since 1000 health is deceptively low for some boss fights since getting off to heal them is a death sentence for the beefalo. Maybe some guard regain mechanic like Lies of P or Bloodbourne? Could encourage aggressive play and would make the saddle more unique. Just spitballing. 

That’s my main gripe with the Battle Saddle, when you use a beefalo you need to use the speed of the cow to not get hit, so an armor value alone isn’t really enticing for how slow it makes you. 
 

To be fair to the saddle though, it provides a small +5 damage and its movement speed faster than the War Saddle, so someone wanting a middle ground between damage and speed could find value there. Idk though I still find myself just switching between the war saddle and gossamer for my purposes.

[Cheggf]

26 minutes ago, NotGabriel said:

Totally agree, but to be fair this wouldn’t be a Wigfrid exclusive thing, anybody can craft the saddle and switch off. 

With that logic there are no character exclusive things since you can always switch to a character then switch off. If it was an innate characteristic of Wigfrid you could just change to Wigfrid whenever you wanted to fight something that inflicted knockback. 

[NotGabriel]

3 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

With that logic there are no character exclusive things since you can always switch to a character then switch off. If it was an innate characteristic of Wigfrid you could just change to Wigfrid whenever you wanted to fight something that inflicted knockback. 

… that is why I’m not suggesting it to be a Wigfrid exclusive characteristic. I don’t know where you’re getting this idea that I only want Wigfrid to benefit from this idea. She shouldn’t be using Beefalo in combat to begin with.

Wigfrid has always been able to share her crafts with other survivors, it’s basically engrained into her identity at this point. Hell, she can even give her skill tree crafts to other survivors but they wouldn’t get the full benefit out of them without her skills. The Battle Saddle is just another example of that aspect of her character. If you’re playing with a Wendy or Maxwell who get their maximum damage potential out of beefalo then being able to craft a saddle that can let them participate in the endgame bosses is a worthwhile ability, no? 

The same logic applies to character swapping, I know that’s a bit of a controversial topic around here but just because only Wigfrid can make the craft doesn’t mean the craft is meant to benefit only herself. She’s always been combat/support!

[abrocator]

On 6/13/2024 at 7:54 AM, Evelo said:

I am a diehard beefalo hater.
But I want people to have fun too. So yknow, if it makes you happy, it'd be cool to add.

Boundless magnamity magnanimity. 

[Well-met]

agreed, kb immune would be a good saddle niche

[themightyone]

I didn't think much of the Battle Saddle when I first used it , but I must say it's been growing on me lately. What I like about it is you still have decent speed compared to the War Saddle and the fact I just don't have to heal my Beefalo nearly as much. Basically it let's me kite and tank very easily. 

I guess I wouldn't complain if they added knockback protection , but I like the Saddle just fine as it is.

[NotGabriel]

9 hours ago, themightyone said:

I didn't think much of the Battle Saddle when I first used it , but I must say it's been growing on me lately. What I like about it is you still have decent speed compared to the War Saddle and the fact I just don't have to heal my Beefalo nearly as much. Basically it let's me kite and tank very easily. 

I guess I wouldn't complain if they added knockback protection , but I like the Saddle just fine as it is.

I’m getting there with it too, I really adore the thing, but it to me it’s less about the saddle itself and more about solving the problem with beefalo combat in these encounters. To me the battle saddle would be the best avenue for this, but as another user mentioned another solution would be rocking marble armor or the commander’s helm to add dismounting immunity. I’d love to see it done someway some how

[Jakepeng99]

Idk why it is a Wigfrid skill when Klei made her heavily anti-synergise with beefalo in combat.

[NotGabriel]

5 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Idk why it is a Wigfrid skill when Klei made her heavily anti-synergise with beefalo in combat.

Thematic purposes, and providing a utility to her kit that isn’t strictly combat focused. I can understand the reasoning.

There’s plenty of characters who excel with Ornery Beefalo, I think they wanted Wigfrid to excel with a rider instead. Ride *into* battle.

as for the craft it’s right up Wigfrid’s alley to have a unique battle version of a craft like her spears and helmets, and just like those two she can support her team by making those for them as well as herself.

I don’t think anything they did to make beefalo combat work on her would’ve been satisfying to people because that’s not something she really needed. Having the thematically satisfying noble mount to ride into battle feels Viking as heck, and the utility of passive inspiration gain definitely has its uses in starting boss fights and even few niche out of combat scenarios; so overall I think the beefalo tree was a worthwhile inclusion for Wigfrid. I just hope more fitting characters get Beefalo Skills that are more impactful, like Walter or maybe even Warly buffing Pudgies or something crazy haha.