My "first" attempt against Dragonfly!

[AliceShiki]

So, not exactly my first attempt, since I rolled back a few times and tried again... And as you can see, it still wasn't particularly successful.

The Beefalo phase is a complete joke, but geez... Handling the larvae is hard! I just can't manage to not get almost dead when dealing with them! >.<

I think I'm slowly getting the gist of Enraged phase though... I found out in this attempt that parrying the attack will make me lose HP from overheating, so maybe I should try kiting instead, but kiting enraged form is pretty tough... Maybe if I position myself in the road.

I think I'm also getting the gist of forcing the trigger of Enraged form... Like, mostly running from Larvae, but making sure to actually kill the last one... Easier said than done, but this run was better than the other ones where I failed to do it and ended up having to deal with 2 larvae phases.

I also noticed while rewatching the video that I could have eaten a Pieroggi when I didn't eat in at least one moment.

Looking back on the fight I'm also seeing that Pieroggi really takes way too long to eat, so maybe some Healing Salves would have been better... Or well, at least Surf 'n' Turf, but I didn't have enough time to prepare Surf'n'turfs for this attempt, so I went with Pieroggis that were easier to make.

Anyways, that's it. Just wanted to share. I'll probably keep on rolling back this server and trying again until I can win, but I think I'm starting to get the gist of it, even if I'm faaaaaaaaaar from winning.

Oh, and in case anyone is curious why I only have the weapon durability song, it's because I got 0 gems so far, so... No Healing Song, no Ice Staves to get rid of the Larvaes more easily, and no Chilling Amulet to deal with the Overheating.

Mmmmmmm... And I guess I'm kinda disappointed at how weak the Endothermic Fire Pit was in dealing with Overheating... I was really expecting better results from it. It's better than nothing, but it's really quite bad.

Anyways, I uploaded the video of the fight, but I dunno how to make it watchable on-site like some other people did in different threads... Oh well.

2024-05-17 12-15-41.mkv

[grm9]

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

I dunno how to make it watchable on-site

rename it from .mkv to .mp4 and upload it again

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

The Beefalo phase

huh?

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

Like, mostly running from Larvae, but making sure to actually kill the last one...

all that matters is killing the lavae that got spawned last instead of having it die on it's own

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

I found out in this attempt that parrying the attack will make me lose HP from overheating

enraged dfly does a few unavoidable points of fire damage that get dealt to you even if you don't get hit by the attack, that's not overheating

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

Looking back on the fight I'm also seeing that Pieroggi really takes way too long to eat, so maybe some Healing Salves would have been better...

not really, both are pretty bad, it's generally best to just get marble armor if you're going to tank because iirc in that case wigfrid's hp regen almost outheals the damage that you take when using a ham bat and if you aren't, a dreadstone helm in case you make a mistake/tank flying hits and regen from hitting it should be enough

26 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

I think I'm slowly getting the gist of Enraged phase

you know that you can skip it by freezing it or making it sleep/wet by using pan flute/water balloons or a watering can multiple times?

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

rename it from .mkv to .mp4 and upload it again

Thanks! Much appreciated!

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

huh?

I mean the first phase. Fighting Dragonfly's first phase is the same as fighting a Beefalo, but with 27x more health.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

all that matters is killing the lavae that got spawned last instead of having it die on it's own

Ah yeah, but dealing with the Larvae during the fight is hard. That's the troublesome part.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

enraged dfly does a few unavoidable points of fire damage that get dealt to you even if you don't get hit by the attack, that's not overheating

Oh, so it's fire damage? Alright. Good to know... I think I remember seeing a video where kiting the attack was able to dodge the fire damage though, but maybe I'm misremembering... I should try looking up the video again.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

not really, both are pretty bad, it's generally best to just get marble armor if you're going to tank because iirc in that case wigfrid's hp regen almost outheals the damage that you take when using a ham bat and if you aren't, a dreadstone helm in case you make a mistake/tank flying hits and regen from hitting it should be enough

I don't think it's possible to survive larvae phase with a Marble Armor... And I'm not sure I'd be able to avoid the overheating (actual overheating this time? Or maybe it's fire damage too? I dunno) damage from staying too close to the Enraged Dragonfly with Marble Armor... Not to mention the high chances of being hit by the stomp attack too... Yeah, I don't think I can realistically use Marble there.

I mean, maybe someone better than me can handle doing it with Marble Armor, I guess, but I certainly can't.

Either way, I definitely need healing items to survive Larvae and Enraged phases. It's not realistic for me to handle those without healing. I'm not good enough to kill them without taking lots of damage.

Dreadstone Helm I have no idea how to make... *looks it up* That's... Rift stuff? I haven't even touched Ruins, never mind Rift. I'm waaaaay too far from being able to try using that kind of thing.

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

you know that you can skip it by freezing it or making it sleep/wet by using pan flute/water balloons or a watering can multiple times?

Yes, I do know how to cheese the Dfly, but like... Well, I wanted to fight a boss, not a Beefalo with 27k HP, so I'm not doing it. I wanna beat it fair and square.

Anyways, the video should work now! If you have any advice from watching it, it would be appreciated! ^^)/

[Mike23Ua]

Your playing as Wigfrid, you NEED to craft a song scroll called fireproof fielasto or whatever it’s called.. originally this scroll was really really terrible but it recently got a buff to live up to its name of in fact being fireproof.

Also Dragonfly can be “Fainted” so she collapses to the ground and allows the player to get cheap free hits on her, but to do that you need to be able to deal a certain amount of damage that only Wolfgang can reasonably obtain on his own.

I personally don’t understand the “faint” mechanic, it makes the fight a complete joke when fought by more than one player.

You however can force her into fainting while playing solo blowing her up with stacks of gunpowder, this is very very risky however cause it can potentially destroy the loot!

[AliceShiki]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Your playing as Wigfrid, you NEED to craft a song scroll called fireproof fielasto or whatever it’s called.. originally this scroll was really really terrible but it recently got a buff to live up to its name of in fact being fireproof.

Ah, it would certainly be very useful, but I want to be able to beat Dfly with other characters later, so it would be a bit too much IMO... Like, I would probably be fighting with friends when using other characters, but I'd probably be the one in charge of handling the Larvaes and potentially the entirety of Enraged state, so I think it's better practice to do it without something as strong as complete Fire Immunity for a Practice Fight.

That said, thanks for bringing it up to me! I had completely forgotten this song existed, and it would definitely be a huuuuuuuge help in beating Dfly!

I think the main issue is that I'd need to get the Spittlefishes to make this song, and like, I've never gone to the Ocean, so it's not possible to me rn... I'll definitely use it if I want to kill Dfly more than once in this solo world though! (I think I'll destroy the world after I'm done killing it though, since it was more of a practice world than anything... But who knows, maybe I'll try playing solo a bit longer to try out Ocean mechanics, ruins and the like) Because it really sounds like it would be an amazing boon for the fight!

9 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Also Dragonfly can be “Fainted” so she collapses to the ground and allows the player to get cheap free hits on her, but to do that you need to be able to deal a certain amount of damage that only Wolfgang can reasonably obtain on his own.

I personally don’t understand the “faint” mechanic, it makes the fight a complete joke when fought by more than one player.

You however can force her into fainting while playing solo blowing her up with stacks of gunpowder, this is very very risky however cause it can potentially destroy the loot!

Ah, yeah, I don't think I can deal enough damage with Wigfrid without Gunpowder to reach the faint thresholds... Maybe if I was using a Dark Sword or some post-Rift weapon, but otherwise it doesn't seem doable.

And well, as this is a practice fight for killing it with friends later, I'd rather not use Gunpowder, but I appreciate the advice anyways! ^^)/

[Copyafriend]

you did good, my tips are as follows (not character specific)

1: either kill the larvae or find a way to ignore them

the larvae are more dangerous than dragonfly in their own way, if you want to kill them, kill them, if you dont want to kill them, avoid them, doing both just enda with you hurt unnecessarily. 

you can either kill them by chasing dragonfly and killing the larvae asap

or if left alone for long enough the larvae will self destruct into fire. you do not have to kill them yourself, but if you're doing this, either use rock walls to build a cage that they cant get in (rock walls because fire, big square block with no holes, start the fight and then finish the cage when she flies away) or run away

2: enraged dragonfly

when all the larvae die, the dragonfly herself catches on fire, you can in theory fight her anyway, but i would recommend instead finding the "pan flute" that always spawns in the world. 

using the panflute will put nearby enemies including bosses to sleep, if dragonfly goes to sleep she will stop being enraged, the panflute has 10 uses and the dragonfly summons larvae 3 times. dont waste the panflute, its not easily replaced.

3: you can dodge dragonflys attacks, but it needs good timing. you have to start moving away AFTER she starts to swing. if you're out of her range she'll swing while moving, but if you do it right she'll swing while sitting still. wigfrids shield or just wearing good armor with good healing are fine alternatives.

4: the dragonfly is an endurance fight, she has over 20k health, basically expect to be fighting for awhile longer than you made it in the video.

5: you CAN stun the dragonfly with enough damage, but this is generally not possible with one person (except for one character) and the damage required to stun goes up each time, do not expect to just stun the boss to death

6: the dragonfly is an OPTIONAL boss, her oven is nice for winter but a campfire works fine, dont fight her until you're ready, its not worth the headache

 

[AliceShiki]

7 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

1: either kill the larvae or find a way to ignore them

the larvae are more dangerous than dragonfly in their own way, if you want to kill them, kill them, if you dont want to kill them, avoid them, doing both just enda with you hurt unnecessarily. 

you can either kill them by chasing dragonfly and killing the larvae asap

or if left alone for long enough the larvae will self destruct into fire. you do not have to kill them yourself, but if you're doing this, either use rock walls to build a cage that they cant get in (rock walls because fire, big square block with no holes, start the fight and then finish the cage when she flies away) or run away

I think I might try running away from them for the most part, it's certainly not working out very well to fight them... I just need to make sure to kill the last one to avoid having her spawn more Larvae.

I was lucky enough to be in a world with a road leading right up to the Dfly, so I think I can try using that to run from them. I just need to stay within the arena's area, since the Dfly flies away if I leave IIRC.

9 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

3: you can dodge dragonflys attacks, but it needs good timing. you have to start moving away AFTER she starts to swing. if you're out of her range she'll swing while moving, but if you do it right she'll swing while sitting still. wigfrids shield or just wearing good armor with good healing are fine alternatives.

Yeah. I really need to get the timing for kiting enraged phase right... It's pretty rough, but I know it's definitely doable.

That said, the fire damage is only like, 6 per hit, I think, so I might be able to tank the fire damage (and block the attack with the shield) if my HP isn't too small at the start of enraged phase. I'll probably do that if I can't get the kiting timing right.

11 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

6: the dragonfly is an OPTIONAL boss, her oven is nice for winter but a campfire works fine, dont fight her until you're ready, its not worth the headache

Oh, definitely! I just wanted to try it now in this solo world as practice to fight it later with my friends, but it's definitely not something I'm gonna force myself (and them) to fight without proper preparation. It's definitely a pretty tough boss.

I'm much more confident in us beating Bee Queen over Dfly, actually, since we have two Wendies in our current co-op world, so I think the bee spawns won't be that hard to handle... Even if my friends haven't made any of Wendy's elixirs for Abigail.

Either way, this practice fight is being fun in its own right, so it's being worth the headache right now! xD

[Mike23Ua]

Two Wendy’s in your coop world? The AoE alone will likely make short work of Dragonfly so you practice fighting it is unnecessary unless well you just enjoy fighting it alone.

Abigail has a built in mechanic for Petal Buff Bestowment, any player who attacks a mob that Abigail has recently attacked, will get a nice damage buff in the process.

You will DEFIANTLY be able force her to faint through most if not all of this fight when playing Coop. 

It’ll be boring, but that’s the strange way Klei designed this boss fight to be “easier” when you hit her with enough damage.

[Copyafriend]

3 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

avoid having her spawn more Larvae.

she only spawns larvae when she reaches 75 50 and 25% health, she will spawn once and then stop, she doesnt need to be "stopped" from spawning larvae, you can avoid every single larvae and it will not increase how many she spawns (hence the box method, a big stone box to sit in, the larvae will never reach you, it completely removed them from the fight)

 

5 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

kiting enraged phase right... It's pretty rough, but I know it's definitely doable.

its doable, but no experienced player fights enraged dragonfly unless its to challenge themselves. its a MUCH harder fight with no extra reward, ice staffs and the pan flute are the best move for a newer player.

6 fire damage doesnt sound like much, until you realize that standing near her is fire damage over time, her stomp is fire damage

and also fire damage completely ignores armor.

theres i reason i recommended you skip it, but make your own choices ofc

 

additional tips i forgot:

unenraged dragonfly can only hit one person at a time, swarm her in multiplayer, its not like you can all perfectly kite her anyway. 

if you're playing a normal character, use a hambat, it does 60 damage and doesnt have durability, meaning you only need one for the whole fight, it does spoil, losing damage over tjme, craft it right before the fight

[grm9]

11 minutes ago, Copyafriend said:

you can avoid every single larvae and it will not increase how many she spawns

there's a chance that it'll go spawn more after last lavae dies on it's own instead of enraging, which is why you kill last lavae on your own to prevent that

[Copyafriend]

4 minutes ago, grm9 said:

there's a chance that it'll go spawn more after last lavae dies on it's own instead of enraging, which is why you kill last lavae on your own to prevent that

guess i never noticed, mb i stand corrected

[AliceShiki]

2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Two Wendy’s in your coop world? The AoE alone will likely make short work of Dragonfly so you practice fighting it is unnecessary unless well you just enjoy fighting it alone.

Ah, well, the AoE won't help against the enraged form.

But yes, Wendies should make short work of the Larvae phase at least. Which would definitely make the fight more manageable.

Also, yes! I'm enjoying the fight by myself, even if I don't plan on doing it again after clearing it once!

2 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

6 fire damage doesnt sound like much, until you realize that standing near her is fire damage over time, her stomp is fire damage

Ah, yeah, I'm trying to not stand near her to only get the fire damage from the attack itself. I think you can land 2 hits on her enraged form without taking burn damage, so that's what I'm trying to do... Easier said than done, but I'm trying! xD

And the stomp I'm just trying to avoid, but I need to learn how many times the normal attack comes in-between the stomps... I wish the wiki had this info. It would make things easier if I didn't have to figure out the number myself while paying attention to the other stuff in the fight... Maybe a tutorial video might have it. I could look for one later.

2 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

unenraged dragonfly can only hit one person at a time, swarm her in multiplayer, its not like you can all perfectly kite her anyway. 

Ah well, unenraged is essentially a big beefalo, so that part is easy to handle! \(^^)/

2 hours ago, Copyafriend said:

if you're playing a normal character, use a hambat, it does 60 damage and doesnt have durability, meaning you only need one for the whole fight, it does spoil, losing damage over tjme, craft it right before the fight

Aye aye! For Wigfrid I'm using the Shield because the parry is great, but with normal characters I'd definitely go for Hambat.

Thank you for all the advice! In particular, the part about running away from the larvaes altogether instead of going for an in-between helped a lot! I still am trying (and mostly failing) to kill the last one, but just running away made larvae phase a lot easier.

Here's the best recent attempt! Reached the 50% threshold! I'm still struggling to properly manage the Enraged Phase, but I'm learning!

[AliceShiki]

Tried it a bit more today. Didn't make that much progress (still stuck around the 50% point in Dragonfly's health bar), but I'm reaching it fairly regularly now.

I'm also trying to learn how to kite Enraged Dragonfly, because I'm feeling like the Shield really isn't enough to handle it... I'm even fine with taking extra fire damage in the process, if it means actually dodging the attack, because that leads to less life loss in the long run, and also preserves my gear durability.

Trying to see if I can switch between parrying one hit with the shield and kiting the other, I think that's gonna be the most efficient way I can go about it... Which is kinda bad for a practice fight tbh, since I wanted to be able to rely less on the shield, but I guess I need to get better before I learn how to kite all the hits.

And also... I'm getting seriously frustrated at the 50/50 of Dragonfly spawning more larvaes or getting enraged if the last larvae dies naturally... Like, I'm always trying to kill the last one, but sometimes I'm not fast enough, or at other times the Dragonfly bodyblocks me and doesn't let me reach the last larvae, which leads to me losing the 50/50 and... Well, it's just annoying. Especially because this kind of thing can lead to me taking too many hits from larvaes and Dragonfly to the point that I realize I don't have enough shields to win the fight left... Which is a sad situation to be at.

So well, so far, my only complaint with the fight is the 50/50, I really wish it wasn't there, or it at least was a 25/75 in favor of Enraged form, so as to still push you towards killing the larvaes, but being less punishing if you fail.

It's still being fun anyways. Gonna keep on practicing until I succeed. I wanna win with this setup.

... I definitely wish I had Surf'n'turf instead of Pieroggis though. It really would have made my life a lot easier to have an extra +20 heal per item.

[Mike23Ua]

Wait, why are you fighting the enraged stage? Everyone usually just uses a Panflute to Sooth her back into normal stage I guess you just enjoy the extra challenge?

In my world when I fought dragonfly I built a square block of walls around each of her larvae puddles except for one.

Keep in mind that this fight is designed to be fought by 6 players, as Solo (the single player game version) Dragonfly is significantly less annoying.

I imagine that kiting, dodging and fighting each pool of larvae with a intended group of 6 players is easy… it’s doing it alone by yourself that makes the fight more unfair.

This is why there’s a lot of threads and topics asking for boss content scaling, imagine if for example.. all her ponds froze off like how regular ponds do in winter (these would harden over due to extreme heat) and the number of ponds that were open at any given time, would rely on how many people are participating in the fight.

until we get official content scaling like this, you can solve this problem by going to dragonfly biome, (you may need to Panflute her to sleep) then quickly building stone walls around the ponds, this will prevent the larvae from being able to get to you and they’ll die out on their own after a short time being alive.

Good job reaching 50% of her total health though! 

[grm9]

22 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Keep in mind that this fight is designed to be fought by 6 players

bosses weren't designed for 6 players

[AliceShiki]

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wait, why are you fighting the enraged stage? Everyone usually just uses a Panflute to Sooth her back into normal stage I guess you just enjoy the extra challenge?

Aye! Just for the fun of it!

The original idea was to practice to later kill it with my friends while also letting them experience the full fight, but... The more I fight it, the more I'm finding it to be quite unrealistic tbh... Like, with Wigfrid's song that prevents Fire Damage we can probably handle enraged state as a group, but otherwise, I'm pretty sure my friends will die in no time if we try fighting it together, so I think we'll just end up cheesing it with Pan Flute or Ice Staff or Water Balloons to take the enraged state away, but still manage the larvae phase at least (since walls would make the fight seriously boring).

So... Right now my goal is simply killing it with Wigfrid solo with the resources I was able to gather in the first 19 days of this test run! Just for the fun of it! And I'm honestly enjoying it quite a bit, even if I need to keep rerolling the world over and over again to keep trying!

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Keep in mind that this fight is designed to be fought by 6 players, as Solo (the single player game version) Dragonfly is significantly less annoying.

Ah, yeah, I can definitely see how the Larvae phase in particular is definitely designed around having 2+ players... It would be way less frustrating if I had a friend simply taking care of the Larvae for me, as I wouldn't need to run around fleeing from the larvae, nor would I need to deal with the 50/50 of the Dragonfly spawning more larvae if I failed to kill the last larvae in time..

The rest honestly seems pretty fine for solo play though. Enraged is tough, but is just a matter of practice, and the normal phase is essentially a very bulky beefalo, so no issue there.

... Well, larvae phase would be way less of an issue if I had some ice staves though, but... Well, I don't, so I'm just doing my best there! xD

19 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Good job reaching 50% of her total health though! 

Thank you! I'm doing my best! Slowly making progress to get to the fight's end! \(^^)/

Edit: Also, @grm9 , your video seems to be borked... Or at least it doesn't play over here...

... I hope edits add pings. I dunno if they do.

[grm9]

7 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

I hope edits add pings

they do

8 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

your video seems to be borked... Or at least it doesn't play over here...

works for me so idk, either way it's 6 players killing the final boss in 14 seconds with it only doing 1 attack

[AliceShiki]

19 minutes ago, grm9 said:

works for me so idk, either way it's 6 players killing the final boss in 14 seconds with it only doing 1 attack

Ah, seems like it was an issue with my device. I tried on a different device and it worked.

[Guille6785]

5 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Keep in mind that this fight is designed to be fought by 6 players, as Solo (the single player game version) Dragonfly is significantly less annoying.

this is completely false and the RoG version of Dragonfly is a completely different mob entirely

[chirsg]

Don't listen to speedrunners, OP. A lot of the raid bosses are specifically designed for multiple players to undertake them. For the most part, they are badly balanced for solo play.

Even if someone is able to fight a dragonfly, bee queen, or ancient fuel weaver on their own, it doesn't mean that the entire intention for design was ever intended for solo play. Beating dfly, bee queen or fuelweaver alone is seriously beating a game where the odds were geared against you and it's an impressive benchmark. Not something that's required of you to be a "Good Player ™"
Take your time, and it's not always so necessary to undertake strats that require thousands of hours worth of game knowledge. Just bring a pan flute and build a wall. Grind it out and you should be able to get a consistent fight down in about an afternoon at the quickest. And if you don't who cares? Just mob raid bosses as they're intended to be.

 

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[Mike23Ua]

11 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Don't listen to speedrunners, OP. A lot of the raid bosses are specifically designed for multiple players to undertake them. For the most part, they are badly balanced for solo play.

Even if someone is able to fight a dragonfly, bee queen, or ancient fuel weaver on their own, it doesn't mean that the entire intention for design was ever intended for solo play. Beating dfly, bee queen or fuelweaver alone is seriously beating a game where the odds were geared against you and it's an impressive benchmark. Not something that's required of you to be a "Good Player ™"
Take your time, and it's not always so necessary to undertake strats that require thousands of hours worth of game knowledge. Just bring a pan flute and build a wall. Grind it out and you should be able to get a consistent fight down in about an afternoon at the quickest. And if you don't who cares? Just mob raid bosses as they're intended to be.

 

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I'm on route to get attacked by the DST detective's dossier. 

 

On much more serious note, back when I very first asked for changes to dragonfly to become an easier fight, people seriously told me that it was too OP because the gems of all things… was what made the fight worth fighting.

Flashforward all these years later and I still don’t have any freaking clue what makes dragonfly’s “gems” so important, but I do absolutely and completely LAUGH at the players who said being able to get those gems from an easier fight would’ve broken the game..

And in just a few short weeks, Gems will literally be growing off trees 

[AliceShiki]

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Don't listen to speedrunners, OP. A lot of the raid bosses are specifically designed for multiple players to undertake them. For the most part, they are badly balanced for solo play.

I think grm9 and Guile meant that no boss is designed for "6 players" specifically, as in... They aren't denying that some bosses are designed for multiple players, but are denying the specific "6 players" figure.

And I think that position makes sense, because, realistically speaking, it makes no sense for Klei to design for 6 players. Not many people will have 5 friends willing to play DST, and you also won't often have 5 other players willing to tackle on a boss with you on pubs, so... Personally speaking, I'd say most raid bosses are probably designed around 2-4 players fighting it, not 6.

... I do think Guile and grm9 could have been a bit clearer with their intent in their messages, but I think that's what they meant... They can clarify it later if I misunderstood them though.

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

Even if someone is able to fight a dragonfly, bee queen, or ancient fuel weaver on their own, it doesn't mean that the entire intention for design was ever intended for solo play. Beating dfly, bee queen or fuelweaver alone is seriously beating a game where the odds were geared against you and it's an impressive benchmark. Not something that's required of you to be a "Good Player ™"
Take your time, and it's not always so necessary to undertake strats that require thousands of hours worth of game knowledge. Just bring a pan flute and build a wall. Grind it out and you should be able to get a consistent fight down in about an afternoon at the quickest. And if you don't who cares? Just mob raid bosses as they're intended to be.

Ah, well, I'm having fun with those practice fights, so I think I'll keep going at it! I'm not trying to get any "good player badge" or anything though. I just started it because I wanted to practice it to play with friends, and now I'm keeping at it because I'm having fun!

I didn't bother with uploading a new video of it, since my death was quite pathetic, but a few hours ago I was actually able to clear the 2nd Enraged Phase, in fact! I just ended up messing up during the 3rd Beefalo phase and died to Darkness of all things, which was really dumb when considering I had 6 or so logs in my inventory, an Endothermic Fire Pit in the arena (though I was freezing, so that one wasn't the best of ideas) and 2 torches in my inventory. I just panicked and forgot about the torches and ended up trying to run in circles around a barely lit endothermic fire pit that was freezing me, so I died.

Either way, it was my first time clearing the 2nd Enraged Phase... I still need to improve, because I'm not sure I had enough shields left with me to clear the fight at that point, but it's still progress nonetheless, and I'm getting very happy with making this progress.

But yeah, realistically speaking, I don't think I'll try fighting Dragonfly fair and square on future runs when playing with my friends (since I don't really play solo. I'm just playing solo for practice to help my friends later). I'll probably either bring the song that negates fire damage (in case I'm playing Wigfrid), or bring a Pan Flute (in case I'm playing anything else), because I don't think my friends can realistically survive Enraged form (I mean, I'm only getting the hang of it now after multiple practice sessions, and I still rely a lot on Wigfrid's shield... Expecting my friends with 0 practice against it to handle Enraged simply isn't realistic), so they'll either have to watch me doing it by myself while twiddling their thumbs, or we cheese it to some extent... So I think we'll go with the cheese route.

I probably won't do the walls, since that method sounds really boring (even if very efficient) IMO. And handling larvae phase with friends shouldn't be particularly hard, we just need to have 1-2 people going after the larvae and 1-2 people (we are 3 players total) going after Dragonfly. Then we can cheese Enraged and go back to the Beefalo phase.

Anyways, thanks for the encouragement! Much appreciated! I'll keep trying! ^^)/

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

On much more serious note, back when I very first asked for changes to dragonfly to become an easier fight, people seriously told me that it was too OP because the gems of all things… was what made the fight worth fighting.

Flashforward all these years later and I still don’t have any freaking clue what makes dragonfly’s “gems” so important, but I do absolutely and completely LAUGH at the players who said being able to get those gems from an easier fight would’ve broken the game..

And in just a few short weeks, Gems will literally be growing off trees 

I haven't ever done ruins myself, but AFAIK the ruins are a very plentiful source of gems and is easier than non-cheese Dfly, isn't it?

So yeah, I don't think I buy the gems argument either... The furnace is nice alright, but it's essentially a super-campfire AFAIK, which also isn't super special.

I'd say that the only reason why Klei shouldn't change Dfly is because... The fight is genuinely fun. That's it. Or at least, it's being fun to me. I'm enjoying it in these practice runs.

My only complaint is the end of Larvae phase being a 50/50 to spawn more Larvae or going enraged... I can kinda get why the 50/50 exists, since it pushes you towards killing the Larvae, but I really don't think 50/50 is the right number... It's too punishing in case you fail to kill the last Larvae in time, and losing two 50/50s can be a real run killer. I actually started resetting my runs if I lose a 50/50 in the 80% Larvae phase, because it doesn't seem to be worth continuing the run when considering how much damage I'll take to my armor during the extra larvae phases and how this might impact my final number of shields for the final stretch of the fight.

I'd probably have 0 complaints about the fight if it was a 25/75 (in favor of Enraged form) at the end of Larvae phase, really... Because yeah, people cheese Dfly all the time in pubs, but that's their choice... If you play with friends or solo, you can still enjoy a very fun and well-designed fight, so I can really appreciate the work the devs put on making the DST Dfly.

It's definitely not something that can be beaten without practice though. Enraged form is really hard without cheese. The more I practice it, the more impressed I am at a video I watched some weeks back of someone beating Dfly without taking any damage whatsoever with no cheese (I think with Mighty Wolfgang), because like... Wow. Getting the timing to kite the Enraged form is insanely hard. Real kudos to that person. Doing it really is much harder than it seemed back when I was watching the video.

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58 minutes ago, AliceShiki said:

I think grm9 and Guile meant that no boss is designed for "6 players" specifically, as in... They aren't denying that some bosses are designed for multiple players, but are denying the specific "6 players" figure.

And I think that position makes sense, because, realistically speaking, it makes no sense for Klei to design for 6 players. Not many people will have 5 friends willing to play DST, and you also won't often have 5 other players willing to tackle on a boss with you on pubs, so... Personally speaking, I'd say most raid bosses are probably designed around 2-4 players fighting it, not 6.

... I do think Guile and grm9 could have been a bit clearer with their intent in their messages, but I think that's what they meant... They can clarify it later if I misunderstood them though.

this is what we meant, Dragonfly for example has strong evidence that it was primarily designed for 2 (or max 3) players, and also some platforms don't even allow you to have more than 4 players in a game

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1 hour ago, AliceShiki said:

it makes no sense for Klei to design for 6 players. Not many people will have 5 friends willing to play DST, and you also won't often have 5 other players willing to tackle on a boss with you on pubs, so... Personally speaking, I'd say most raid bosses are probably designed around 2-4 players fighting it, not 6.

12 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

and also some platforms don't even allow you to have more than 4 players in a game

We're talking about a feature that's remained almost entirely unchanged since like, 2016. She was absolutely designed in a time where all bosses assumed a whole server of 6 players (a very very common sight back then) would all gather up and do this challenge together. Heck, the current state of the Bee Queen (world's tankiest boss ever) is purely because of Glermz (the main streamer Klei kept an eye on and would actively publicly interact with back then) saying back in the day that she was too easy with a server full of players all fighting her at once. Raid bosses from ANR times were absolutely designed as a thing the whole server does together, that's why it used to be seen as impressive (rather than the standard) to be able to take them down solo.

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12 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

this is what we meant, Dragonfly for example has strong evidence that it was primarily designed for 2 (or max 3) players, and also some platforms don't even allow you to have more than 4 players in a game

the metric of 6 players or somewhere in that ballpark comes from a new reign klei streams where they were showing off bee queen (or was it toadstool?) and they mentioned thats the sort of player count that they designed raid bosses with back in the day

dragonfly was designed as a raid boss and fits in this category as well - the switch game console is a new element and does not retroactively mean that bosses were not designed this way