New Crab King fight is much worse than current Crab King fight

[grm9]

7 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

Pretty much what everybody else has been saying. Current Crab king has been a zit on the game's back since it's release. it wasn't liked then and it certainly isn't liked now. The majority absolutely despises this guy and a major rework has been asked for ages. There's no way to go around it. Crab king has been the worst boss in the entire game because he is not fun, he's not fun solo and he's not fun with multiple people.

what's most important here is the fun aspect. AG for example was not fun, and when things aren't fun people are going to find alternative ways to make it less annoying like having it get stuck for easier hits. AG with its rework turned from one of the most boring bosses of the game to one of the more beloved ones.

Crab king is exactly like this. He's too tanky, he's too overstimulating to have fun solo and learning its patterns and he's not at all engaging when fighting him with other people. Using boat mechanics while trying to avoid claws and geysers is incredibly clunky

Quite literally nothing about this guy is well liked, so a rework for most certainly required, start anew and make something that's engaging, fun and fightable.
by everyone

ignored everything that i've wrote, most people simply kept repeating what others said back when oars were bad and using them against him was unviable, he's fun now, the only problem is the claws' hp

8 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

Crab king has been the worst boss in the entire game because he is not fun, he's not fun solo and he's not fun with multiple people

fun is subjective, imo he's more fun than all new bosses

9 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

Quite literally nothing about this guy is well liked, so a rework for most certainly required, start anew and make something that's engaging, fun and fightable.
by everyone

it's already fun, they just needed to change a few numbers

9 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

Using boat mechanics while trying to avoid claws and geysers is incredibly clunky

what does clunky even mean? why?

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

Even without the Bee Mine cheese that’s literally the entire fight… lol

no? have you ever tried fighting him? do you know that claws exist?

4 minutes ago, Kevinnator said:

That's great you get it back, doesn't change the fact that you have to spend time getting the wood

you'd probably spend them on something later and you could've used bearger or something and we have grass boats now

5 minutes ago, Kevinnator said:

Please read what I wrote in brackets, the overtime damage when they're holding the boat is fine and you can usually beat a claw before it gets more than 1 tick of damage in. It's the initial damage from the grab that's a bit too strong

i did, but it usually isn't an issue after they spawn since they'll start grabbing 1 by 1 and sometimes you can kill them without them grabbing the boat, also that's still just a number change in that case, no need for turning it into "kill claws, get onto ice, start holding F, get off after he stops healing and repeat"

6 minutes ago, Kevinnator said:

Like I said, you get frozen once and the fight is over

24 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you could've placed stars near him to unfreeze yourself or just went as far away from him as possible since you can avoid getting frozen that way consistently on wooden boats

[Mike23Ua]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

ignored everything that i've wrote, most people simply kept repeating what others said back when oars were bad and using them against him was unviable, he's fun now, the only problem is the claws' hp

fun is subjective, imo he's more fun than all new bosses

it's already fun, they just needed to change a few numbers

what does clunky even mean? why?

no? have you ever tried fighting him? do you know that claws exist?

Yes I’ve tried fighting it, for many many many MANY hours, with and without bees,  and I’ll repeat myself- The smaller, faster moving grass rafts aren’t slow enough to get caught by geysers or pinching claws- They’re also hella cheap to craft Too so if you happened to screw up and a pinching claw DID grab hold of your grass raft, you could quickly plop down a secondary raft beside it and continue paddling in a circle.

Its the whole boat collision thing and needing to be DIRECTLY at the edge of the boat to get a rowing prompt to tap B that made the original fight a complete pain in the backside, row too close to the crab too fast, and it bounces you off of him so you gotta get close to the edge of your boat again and row toward him, by the time you’ve done that… you probably needed to row out of the way of another geyser or pinching claw, or it’s healed itself etc…

Highly unfun fight.. so much so it was universally dubbed by the community the single worst fight in the entire game.

I’d honestly rather try fighting Armored Bearger as Wes With Bullkelp Whips.

[Guille6785]

5 hours ago, Brago-sama said:

Nah bro, you alone on this opinion

nope

[Gashzer]

Good job Klei addressing crab king! Sounds like he will be more transparent to fight and most importantly, fun!

One boss rework down. My list for future reworks:

• Dragonfly
• Ancient fuelweaver
• Toadstool
• Bee queen

[Guille6785]

4 hours ago, _zwb said:

Same vibes as "I'm asking for a friend". Whether those are people are real, I doubt they are the majority of player base.

gotta love the implication that liking CK is somehow such an unacceptable stance that they'd have to lie about it

[grm9]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

most importantly, fun!

ig kiting 5 enemies that can't even get to you if you stay at the opposite end of the boat and then holding F on a stationary thing is peak gameplay, much better than actually dealing with things that can make you fail instead of a fight that was made to be done 1st try

[Guille6785]

2 hours ago, PunkShark said:

Pretty much what everybody else has been saying. Current Crab king has been a zit on the game's back since it's release. it wasn't liked then and it certainly isn't liked now. The majority absolutely despises this guy and a major rework has been asked for ages. There's no way to go around it. Crab king has been the worst boss in the entire game because he is not fun, he's not fun solo and he's not fun with multiple people.

what's most important here is the fun aspect. AG for example was not fun, and when things aren't fun people are going to find alternative ways to make it less annoying like having it get stuck for easier hits. AG with its rework turned from one of the most boring bosses of the game to one of the more beloved ones.

Crab king is exactly like this. He's too tanky, he's too overstimulating to have fun solo and learning its patterns and he's not at all engaging when fighting him with other people. Using boat mechanics while trying to avoid claws and geysers is incredibly clunky

Quite literally nothing about this guy is well liked, so a rework for most certainly required, start anew and make something that's engaging, fun and fightable.
by everyone.

why do you state your own personal feelings about the fight as objective facts

[marshyds]

11 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

remains to be seen however if fighting the crab boss at all will even be a worthwhile endeavor, because as long as his loots sucks… I’ll only ever fight him once per world to finish pearls dumb quest.

a mod called sailing rebalance makes him drop treasure chests depending on gem variety, maybe it could be applied here. having general land resources is very nice so farming him could be a fine option.