is not being able to play without wx78 a problem?

[MrsBoris]

i just don't get the same fun playing with other characters because of the non essential speed boost, the only thing i may crutch with wx is ruins rushing, but just today i did a normal ruins rush with wilson, i don't rely on thermal circuits for winter or summer, i really think its just his speed to get to point A to B, its not like i can't play the game without him, i don't need combat healing to play the game, or abigail, or double damage, or an alarming clock or bernie with me. i am skilled on my on but its just hard to get the same kick with other characters that can't... speed. his ruins rushing is laughably easy though, its like if you ruins rush but the light is always on and there are no hostile mobs.

2 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

i just don't get the same fun playing with other characters because of the non essential speed boost, the only thing i may crutch with wx is ruins rushing, but just today i did a normal ruins rush with wilson, i don't rely on thermal circuits for winter or summer, i really think its just his speed to get to point A to B, its not like i can't play the game without him, i don't need combat healing to play the game, or abigail, or double damage, or an alarming clock or bernie with me. i am skilled on my on but its just hard to get the same kick with other characters that can't... speed. his ruins rushing is laughably easy though, its like if you ruins rush but the light is always on and there are no hostile mobs.

also yeah i think he is a well balanced character, his incredible circuit upgrades are offset by just how fragile circuits are, you will overrely on them like not bring light when you use a light circuit or not bring a thermal stone, and just 2 wrong rows, a little fighting in rain or one freeze instance and you have lost the circuit you depended your life on. also spring becomes a huge nuisance to him, if you are into thermal circuits spring is wx's worst season both in surface and caves, anyhow, i am trying to challenge myself with playing other characters and its been very hard, woodie was very cool cuz i made a good objective to kill celestial champion, but i decided to change to wx and i played 130 more days or something it was very fun. so yeah wx78 and skill tree woodie are awesome for me.

[TemporarySolutn]

I think you switched the topic a few times.

[mykenception]

I'm now confused 

[Jakepeng99]

5 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

i just don't get the same fun playing with other characters because of the non essential speed boost

Join buffalloo club.

[Evelo]

40 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Join buffalloo club.

grumble

[CuteC]

I don't think having a favorite character is an issue, anyone is free to play whoever they like.

[chirsg]

I think Wanda in a way was the biggest mistake in dst. Her ability to fly across the map and between caves + surface is too powerful to lock behind a single character.

I've seen players come and go while I've been playing and I see so many of them optimize the fun out of the game. They don't stick to a single character whom they like, but instead jump between characters when there's a job that needs to be done.

They main "The Meta" instead of a single character. 

 

In a way, wx is a meta character. Being antsy around how frustratingly slow other characters can be is a bit of a shame.

You start to notice how addicting speed is when you ever boot up shipwrecked or play a shipwrecked based mod and almost exclusively live off coffee.

 

I wish that Wanda's trek watches were a feature for every character and not just her. The speed is one thing. Sure, A - B travel is faster, but there are applications of speed in combat and herding for sure. Fast travel is even more efficient and just all round unfortunate.

[Yuuko]

Eh, if anything it highlights the shift in DST from characters who got old style re-works that were very mild and tame vs new style who got super RPG power arcs.

I played mostly Willow and Wes all through until Wanda came out.  When she dropped she caught my interest and I did a lot with her.  Compared to her Willow was just too bland to justify playing - not b/c Wanda is OP but because Wanda actually does Wanda things.  There weren't a lot of Willow things to do, she was basically Wilson with fire immunity - which isn't very useful lol.

Now that Willow got her skill tree I've shifted back to playing her and its a mixed bag...  I'd say she's just below Wendy tier right now which isn't a bad spot.  I'm having a lot of fun playing as her again and she can certainly do things now, but the most Willow thing she can do is beat up panicking mobs.  I'm very disappointed when I go up against one of the many bosses that can't be lit on fire.  The niche use of her lunar flames is only more apparent each day I play - its great in a few places but mostly forgettable.  The damage is too low, the move speed slow and move/aiming make positioning very specific.  You basically get a few moments of Abi type damage in a much more restricted format.  Its just as useless against bosses as Abi - meaning there are a few where it helps, but not many lol.  I am enjoying her though.  Its gonna suck to see Wendy, Wicker, Maxwell all get kits that push them to be EVEN BETTER then some characters are who are getting their skill trees now.  Power creep is real in DST :\ 

[MadMatt]

32 minutes ago, Yuuko said:

Its gonna suck to see Wendy, Wicker, Maxwell all get kits that push them to be EVEN BETTER then some characters are who are getting their skill trees now.

I'm not so sure we're going to be seeing this, at least not as drastic as the imbalance between earlier and later reworks. Klei seems to recognize which characters need more work and which are fine as is, since Wolfgang and Wigfrid have perhaps the least influential skill trees alongside trees like Woodie and Willow which are far more gameplay defining.

I know people are very cynical about them but I think the skill trees are designed explicitly to deal with the "rework cycle" by being able to push out 2-3 of them at a time unlike the reworks which only could do one per update. It means when the skill trees all conclude the amount of time which has passed will be MUCH shorter than the reworks, and so the direction and goals of development won't drastically change from when it started to when it finishes. This is all just speculation though, unless Klei really loses the thread again with character balance this character arc won't be perfect but won't be entirely unacceptable like the state of the post-rework characters were.

[Yuuko]

30 minutes ago, MadMatt said:

I know people are very cynical about them but I think the skill trees are designed explicitly to deal with the "rework cycle" by being able to push out 2-3 of them at a time unlike the reworks which only could do one per update. It means when the skill trees all conclude the amount of time which has passed will be MUCH shorter than the reworks, and so the direction and goals of development won't drastically change from when it started to when it finishes. This is all just speculation though, unless Klei really loses the thread again with character balance this character arc won't be perfect but won't be entirely unacceptable like the state of the post-rework characters were.

I don't think the Wolfgang situation is a good example at all because they wanted to nerf Wolf anyway.  They probably knew about the skill trees oncoming at that point and designed him with his skill tree in mind to further nerf him with the introduction of planar, which is why he got his skill tree so soon.  Planar was almost explicitly a nerf to Wolf and Wanda.

Meanwhile they went WAY overboard with Wicker and Max.  Even left without skill trees all together it would take a lot for any character to displace Max from his niche as best character in the game.  His powers are far too strong, too universal, and insanely stupid cheap.  No matter what they add to him, if it does not come with nerfs it will still be OP.  Just look at Willow's restricted power with her skill tree compared to Max now...  There is no contest, Max is superior.  The longer it takes to get to his skill tree the more superior he is going to be b/c they would need to respond to any power creep between here and there, and Klei obviously favors him being OP and will only push him up more.

Seriously Max has no cd for his spells, and they all cost only 1/5th of a nm fuel.  A single stack of NM fuel is 200 casts of any spell he wants.  He spawns in with his book at 100% and 6 nm fuel too, that's 50 casts right off the bat...  This is never NOT going to be OP without nerfs.